If an Injured Nadal beats Fed at the US Open on Nadals worst and Feds Best surface

[Ultra2HolyGrail]

Nadal would definitely not be the greatest of the era even if he beat Fed in the US Open final. No offence, but that's ridiculous.

7 slams VS 15. Beating one player doesn't make you the best of the era.

How don't it? In fed and nadals world the rest of the field are chumps. When you got the two best going at it time and time again, and one loses consistently to the other, that person is the better player. Just because fed is older, has more GS titles, is irrelevant. Think about it.

 

[JennyS]

why does everyone think Nadal is winning this us open? He is the 4th most likely to win at this point.

And Jim Courier pointed out that the USO is Delpo's favorite Slam. It certainly isn't Nadal's so I think Delpo is going to be VERY hungry to win.

 

[crocon]

It's silly to assume a 28 year old has to win every slam he plays in to be the GOAT, and that any loss he takes anywhere proves that he isn't. With all he's accomplished, there isn't even a debate.

Yup. Everything else for Federer is just icing on the cake.

 

[zasr4325]

there is literally no way federer can come out of this without something bad being said. if he beats djoko, loses in final, (regardless who) people say he's past his prime. if he loses to nadal in final, mean he isnt GOAT, because h2h matters more than 15 slams. but if he loses to djoko, means his h2h doesnt get any worse against nadal, therefore this is better?? and also losing to djoko means he isnt even close to GOAT, (obviously 2 slams isnt enough, including breaking grand slam record and getting career slam). if he wins against djoko, then beats nadal, people say nadal was injured and it doesnt count, just like french and wimby. this is ridiculous, im a pretty big fed fan, but i respect nadal because of his commitment and everything hes done for the game. is it so hard to just admit that both are great players, and whoever wins, wins? doesnt matter whos injured or not, fed or nadal can ONLY BEAT WHOS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NET. if one of them doesnt make it, it doesnt detract from the others victory. if fed beats nadal, he beat him fair and square, and injuries have nothing to do about it. if nadal beats fed, this does not put fed's GOAT claim into question because its achievments that matter, not a h2h. and it is ridiculous to suggest nadal would become the GOAT by beating fed; how can dominating one player mean GOAT status? regardless of how many slams at same age, etc. but imo, i dont even think you could call fed GOAT, only because you cannot compare era's and you would have to wait until his career is over to see what he finishes with

 

[Rippy]

How don't it? In fed and nadals world the rest of the field are chumps. When you got the two best going at it time and time again, and one loses consistently to the other, that person is the better player. Just because fed is older, has more GS titles, is irrelevant. Think about it.

The chumps that have been preventing Nadal from reaching ANY US Open final EVER?! The chumps preventing him from reaching an AO final until THIS YEAR?! The chump that knocked him out of Roland Garros?! The chump that knocked Federer out of AO last year?!

They aren't chumps. The better player is the one who wins tournaments (most would use the slams as they are the most important )against the field more often.

 

[kishnabe]

No one can be G.O.A.T, because someone entually be labelled goag for their achievments in the near future. Federer records will be defeated by someone except for the 22 semifinal streak which i believe unbeliaviably consistent. Nadal defeating federer means nothings, that is just tennis. Sometimes you win and lose. This doesn't disown the fact federer is the greatest of his era but definetly there can be no argument saying federer is the G.O.A.T. What you can say is that Federer is the G.O.A.T until someone else takes the mantle.

 

[Mafia13]

I'm so sick of Nadal being ''injured'' before every tournament. And then if he loses , his fans say it was still a great effort, that he surely would have won it had he not been injured. On the other hand, if he wins it, Sampras fans use it as absolute proof how Fed isn't GOAT, and Nadal fans use it as proof that Nadal is a miracle-maker.
All pro players have minor injuries from time to time, but I didn't hear anyone mention Gonzales had problems with injuries. Look at this quote from http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2009/09/US-Open-Saturday-2-Nadal-Beats-Gonzo.aspx
''He called for the trainer to cut off heavy tape on his left and right feet.''

Why is it so important that Nadal has a ''injury'', while nobody even mentioned the idea that Gonzales lost the match because he had problems with his legs. Do you know why??? Because it wasn't the reason he lost, he was simply outplayed. The same goes for 99% of the time players are ''injured''. If they really were injured, they wouldn't be playing.

Ivanisevic played Wimby 2001 with his arm falling off from shoulder problems and he won it. That's an example that even when a player is actually injured he can still play his best tennis. They are pro tennis players, one of the best athletes in the world, and some people are making it seem that when they break a nail they can't play their best. If the only info I got on tennis came from some people on this board, I would think that the whole ATP tour was a bunch of pathetic pushovers.

 

[drakulie]

lol It would be a travesty if a less than 100% Nadal

Nadal hasn't been 100% ever, so what the hell are you talking about?? His current tummy ache, or his fake knee injury?

 

[zagor]

Then Federer is indisputedly NOT the GOAT. And Nadal isn't even the GOAT yet or even ever. Imagine if players like Sampras, Agassi, Lendl, Connors, Becker etc in their primes were in this era. Henman, Hewitt in their primes owned Federer, when they left their prime, Federer entered his. 34-35 year old old Agassi with his cortisone/steroid injection's to keep himself moving nearly defeated prime federer in the 04/05 u.s opens, seriously that IS MESSED UP. Agassi would DESTROY federer in his prime but couldn't deal with Sampras in their own primes. Federer can't claim to be the GOAT when he isn't even the GOAT in his own era (nadal).

lol It would be a travesty if a less than 100% Nadal who hasn't had the momentum of winning Cincy (apparantly the true slam) and 2 grand slams and a great year to be losing to Nadal in the final on his worst surface by far and feds best surface. Nadal nearly straight setted fed on his similairly best surface (wimby 08) and it'd be funny to see Fed lose again in his prime. Fed is definitely in his prime if he can win the french and wimby back to back UNLESS it's a weak era without Nadal.

2-6 in slams and 2-5 in slam finals and 7-13 overall v the only opponent never frightened of supposed goat statisically.

GAME OVER for Fed's legacy.

With Fed out of the picture Hewitt would have the best yearhs of his career in 2004 and 2005,Hewitt was still very much in his prime but he still got double-bageled by Fed(was a very tasty match).

Now if we agree with the overall sentiment of this post that Fed sucks this means Nadal still hasn't proven himself to be a great player since he played clown Fed in all his slam finals but one,he never faced a truly great player so he may well be average,he wasn't tested..

However it also makes Hewitt the worst player in tennis history,to be double-bageled by a clown like Fed on the big stage on Hewitt's best surface(USO is historically his best slam)is really embarrasing,not to mention the 15(LOL!)match losing streak he has against Fed.

It shows all those stories of Hewitt's mental toughness and fighting spirit are vastly exaggerated,he has a mental toughness of a scared little kitten(that's what he looked like every time he stepped with Fed on court the last 15 times).


Oh and before I forget,Nadal isn't injuried right now or he wouldn't be able to play.

 

[avmoghe]

Do these "head to head record is important" debaters not understand how tennis draws work? H2H has meaning only if you have round robin tournaments - when you are equally likely to play play every other player.

Nadal not making it to the US Open final the last few years to face Federer is an implicit win for Federer agasinst Nadal - This isn't recorded in the head to head because of the way tennis draws work.

Apparently, Federer should just lose against Djokovic and not even face Nadal to guarantee his place in history... which is an absolutely moronic argument.

 

[All-rounder]

Don't feed the troll

 

[jackson vile]

agreed. I think their is only one argument that prevents fed from having the goat title: he gets owned by his only rival.

Losing to Nadal in all four slam finals would be pretty embarassing. If Nadal wins US open, then he might have a claim for goat 5/6 years from now.

That and there are far greater players before him.

 

[federerfanatic]

ROTFL at the idea of Nadal beating Federer at the U.S Open. That will happen the day when the pink bunnies start to fly. Nadal will never be in a U.S Open final.

Agassi in his prime destroying Federer, ROTFL!!! That is a good one. Even though prime Federer has a better first serve, better serve better forehand, better movement, better defense, better volleys, better overhead, better mental game, more variety, than prime Agassi he would somehow be able to destroy prime Federer. When Hewitt and Federer were both in their primes in 2004 and 2005 Hewitt was destroyed. Even pre-prime Federer was a tough opponent for peak Hewitt in 2001 and 2002.

OP is a doorknob.

 

[volleynets]

Then Federer is indisputedly NOT the GOAT. And Nadal isn't even the GOAT yet or even ever. Imagine if players like Sampras, Agassi, Lendl, Connors, Becker etc in their primes were in this era. Henman, Hewitt in their primes owned Federer, when they left their prime, Federer entered his. 34-35 year old old Agassi with his cortisone/steroid injection's to keep himself moving nearly defeated prime federer in the 04/05 u.s opens, seriously that IS MESSED UP. Agassi would DESTROY federer in his prime but couldn't deal with Sampras in their own primes. Federer can't claim to be the GOAT when he isn't even the GOAT in his own era (nadal).

lol It would be a travesty if a less than 100% Nadal who hasn't had the momentum of winning Cincy (apparantly the true slam) and 2 grand slams and a great year to be losing to Nadal in the final on his worst surface by far and feds best surface. Nadal nearly straight setted fed on his similairly best surface (wimby 08) and it'd be funny to see Fed lose again in his prime. Fed is definitely in his prime if he can win the french and wimby back to back UNLESS it's a weak era without Nadal.

2-6 in slams and 2-5 in slam finals and 7-13 overall v the only opponent never frightened of supposed goat statisically.

GAME OVER for Fed's legacy.

Actually, Game over for Rafa's legacy. A win over Federer is USOPEN Final would mean that he could win all four slams at any time no matter his draw. So if he were to win over Federer it would make it embarrassing that he is always "injured" and never gets to the Final consistently.

 

[Omega_7000]

Then Federer is indisputedly NOT the GOAT. And Nadal isn't even the GOAT yet or even ever. Imagine if players like Sampras, Agassi, Lendl, Connors, Becker etc in their primes were in this era. Henman, Hewitt in their primes owned Federer, when they left their prime, Federer entered his. 34-35 year old old Agassi with his cortisone/steroid injection's to keep himself moving nearly defeated prime federer in the 04/05 u.s opens, seriously that IS MESSED UP. Agassi would DESTROY federer in his prime but couldn't deal with Sampras in their own primes. Federer can't claim to be the GOAT when he isn't even the GOAT in his own era (nadal).

lol It would be a travesty if a less than 100% Nadal who hasn't had the momentum of winning Cincy (apparantly the true slam) and 2 grand slams and a great year to be losing to Nadal in the final on his worst surface by far and feds best surface. Nadal nearly straight setted fed on his similairly best surface (wimby 08) and it'd be funny to see Fed lose again in his prime. Fed is definitely in his prime if he can win the french and wimby back to back UNLESS it's a weak era without Nadal.

2-6 in slams and 2-5 in slam finals and 7-13 overall v the only opponent never frightened of supposed goat statisically.

GAME OVER for Fed's legacy.

Wassup dude?

:lol:

 

[coloskier]

It would matter about as much as Fed beating Nadal on clay.

 

[TheTruth]

No one can be G.O.A.T, because someone entually be labelled goag for their achievments in the near future. Federer records will be defeated by someone except for the 22 semifinal streak which i believe unbeliaviably consistent. Nadal defeating federer means nothings, that is just tennis. Sometimes you win and lose. This doesn't disown the fact federer is the greatest of his era but definetly there can be no argument saying federer is the G.O.A.T. What you can say is that Federer is the G.O.A.T until someone else takes the mantle.

Great post! Weird that some people care so much about the title of GOAT, and who it's conferred upon!

 

[Turning Pro]

bump, looks like it may happen.

 

[BreakPoint]

bump, looks like it may happen.

Yes, because Nadal was born injured and has never played a tennis match in his entire life without injury.

 

[CEvertFan]

What does head-to-head have anything to do with being the GOAT?

Was Kucera a greater tennis player than Agassi just because he has a winning record against Agassi? Um...nope.

Was Krajicek a greater tennis player than Sampras just because he has a winning record against Sampras? Um..nope, again!

Newsflash! H2H is in no way related to who's the GOAT. The only thing that matters are achievements and Grand Slam titles.

Finally!

Someone actually says something that makes perfect sense. Kudos!


BTW, I was thinking the same thing while reading the posts in this thread.

 

[ashitaka2010]

GOAT doesn't exist. It's an idea, tennis players are human being.
But if it happens... ouch for Fed legacy!

 

[ashitaka2010]

Yes, because Nadal was born injured and has never played a tennis match in his entire life without injury.

Imagine if he wasn't born injured... poor Roger.

 

[Jchurch]

Imagine if he wasn't born injured... poor Roger.

And imagine if Nadal played right handed. Man he'd never beat Federer

 

[Rippy]

bump, looks like it may happen.

So you think Fed should tank before his reaches Nadal?

Because you said he couldn't be GOAT if he loses to Nadal; so he should just tank, right? Losing earlier would make his legacy better?

 

[Turning Pro]

No, he shouldn't tank. He should just let destiny and history be. Whether he wins or not, it's destiny. But this is implying (a very possible scenario) that it may happen. Nadal isn't injured this US Open 10 however so it should be a good match, and Nadal could do the career slam v Fed.

 

[BreakPoint]

Imagine if he wasn't born injured... poor Roger.

You should know by now that Nadal can't win a tennis match unless he's injured. That's what gets him so pumped up. If he were 100% healthy, he wouldn't know what to do with himself and would lose to Federer 6-0, 6-0, 6-0. That's what OCD does to you. :shock:

 

[BreakPoint]

No, he shouldn't tank. He should just let destiny and history be. Whether he wins or not, it's destiny. But this is implying (a very possible scenario) that it may happen. Nadal isn't injured this US Open 10 however so it should be a good match, and Nadal could do the career slam v Fed.

Of course, Federer cannot be the "Greatest of All Time"(GOAT) since he's never beaten Borg, Laver, McEnroe, Rosewall, Nastase, Ashe, Emerson, Connors, Vilas, Lendl, Edberg, Becker, Wilander, etc., let alone Tilden, Budge, Lacoste, Hoad, Kramer, Gonzales, etc. :???:

That's why H2H is meaningless.

 

[ashitaka2010]

And imagine if Nadal played right handed. Man he'd never beat Federer

Please explain your logic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1aqk7H6O7w

 

[Rippy]

No, he shouldn't tank. He should just let destiny and history be. Whether he wins or not, it's destiny. But this is implying (a very possible scenario) that it may happen. Nadal isn't injured this US Open 10 however so it should be a good match, and Nadal could do the career slam v Fed.

Yep, I do think there's a very real possibility it happens.

I just disagree that if it does happen, Federer cannot be the best ever.

 

[Povl Carstensen]

Wow what a bunch of stupid unpleasant negative people.

 

[Omega_7000]

Wow what a bunch of stupid unpleasant negative people.

Yup that's *******s for ya!

 

[fedfan08]

What is up with all the ******** threads around here?