If Nadal beats Federer at Wimbledon 2020
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The Blond Blur
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RAFA has to get to #21 and Ol' Rog has to stay at #20 for RAFA to be considered greater. And I say this as a RAFA fan.
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
Nadal already defeated Prime Federer at Wimbledon , Beating him 12 years later isn’t really important
Rafa24
Hall of Fame
rafa already has surpassed fed.RAFA has to get to #21 and Ol' Rog has to stay at #20 for RAFA to be considered greater. And I say this as a RAFA fan.
Rafa24
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so great fed will end up as 3rd. fed fans and analysyts who've been calling fed the goat for years will all try and say they are all 3 the goats and there is no clear goat.
Tenez101
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Nadal beating Frederer at Wimby already showed that his grass peak is higher than Federer’s. The consensus among pros, former and current, is that Nadal is greater than Fed, but they are keeping up appearances for the media.
Thats exactly what they are doing now. Suddenly there are 3 GOATs lol.
Reality is Sampras and Borg were not dominated by rivals. So its realistic to say Federer is 5th of open era.
Djokovic has intimated many times Nadal is greater. And Nadal has often intimated Djokovic greater than Federer.
Tenez101
Banned
Fed imho is a tier 2 GOAT, since I feel he would maybe only have 12 slams with real competition from 2003-2007. But it’s hard to say, so I put him at top 5.
Tenez101
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Game recognizes game. These two are warriors who have long since surpassed Fed, and they mutually respect each other as the legitimate GOAT contenders.
Exactly. They always say each other made the other improve..they never say that about Federer.
For me Sampras is greater than Federer..shot for shot i cant think of anything id have in federers game over a zoned in Sampras.
Tenez101
Banned
Interesting what they will say in interviews when one of them surpasses Fed.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
What if Djoker beats Rafa at RG? Does that change anything?
Tenez101
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I also think Sampras is underappreciated around here. He was a mental monster and dominating champion who had to play in an era of tough competition and diverse surfaces. Who knows what levels he might have been pushed to if he were competing with Nadal and Djokovic. We would truly have a three-way rivalry.
In 10 years time every player of this generation will say Nadal and Djokovic were the greatest...and i think Federer knows it
Tenez101
Banned
That’s already happened. You mean next year?
Sampras Nadal Djokovic rivalry would have been absolutely unreal.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes. I mean imagine if Djoker won AO and RG next year? Ouch for everyone not a Djoker fan.
If it was a final probably moves him closer to Nadal as GOAT but that USO result last week really was significant. If Djokovic gets a double career slam it is huge so would just confirm he and Nadal keep raising the bar.
Well if that happened Djokovic half way to calendar slam...if he did that GOAT debate clearly over.
Tenez101
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That might cause some bitterness, but nothing compared to the vitriol from some Fednatics around here. Nadal and Djokovic fans for the most part respect the other guy and their fans.
Tenez101
Banned
CYGS would be insane. I just can’t see either guy letting the other guy do that.
ElChivoEspañol
Hall of Fame
Agreed 100%.
I’d rather Rafa beats Djokovic at the AO, that would be beyond sweet.
Neither will get a CYGS...not unless the other is injured. More likely they split the majors again
Surely nadal would prefer a 5th USO now?
duaneeo
Legend
But he's gone an entire decade without an AO or W title. I think he'd prefer either one of those.
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Deleted member 781040
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Very true sir! Too bad objectivity seems to get punished around here
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Deleted member 781040
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YES! You must have been banned for boldly stating something seen as heresy on the TalkFeddy Forum
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Deleted member 781040
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You deserve a medal for this post.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
Yes
itrium84
Hall of Fame
Yeah, if he does it in the finals, that makes him GOAT, only guy with 1 (ncy) Grand Slam and 2x Career Grand Slam in OE.
I think just the opposite: the only thing Sampras has over Federer is the serve. Sampras was a typical big-serving American, in that his groundstrokes were not built for rallies! His groundstrokes were meant to approach the net, not to out-rally anyone. That's understandable, since he still played in the S&V era. Federer was in vanguard of the transition to the BL era!
It's interesting to speculate: what if Sampras and Agassi had played out just 10 years later than they actually did, with more modern racquets and strings, would Agassi be the one with the advantage? Just as Nadal has over Federer!
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Bro, did you watch Pete?
BauerAlmeida
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Nadal beat Federer at Wimbledon in 2008, why would him beating a 40yo Federer that hasn't played for over a year make him greater? There are tons of achievements he's had over the years to claim to be greater. This one for sure isn't one of them.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
And 38 year old Fed trounced Nadal at Wimbledon 2019. Mull that one over.
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*trounced - beat in a tight 4 setter that had everyone on the ropes and could have gone either way
This a month after Nadal actually trounced Fed at RG
BauerAlmeida
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Great but I don't see how it's related to what I said.
Sampras didn't need his groundstrokes to win rallies for him, he only needed them to approach the net, where he would win points! There's a difference, between rally and approach strokes!
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Sampras and Federer won their first slams in '90 and '03, so there's a 10+ years gap. It's interesting to see what happens if there could be a time/role reveral.
Federer would dominate 90's against Agassi, Becker, Ivanisevic just as much as Sampras. Federer's serve might not have the same speed, but he has better volley, groundstrokes and mobility.
Sampras would obviously dominate the naughts, as did Federer. He would struggle mightily in the 10's against Djokovic and Nadal, who are faster, stronger and more athletic than Agassi! And importantly, modern tennis is much friendlier to the baseliners than 20 years ago!
Federer would dominate 90's against Agassi, Becker, Ivanisevic just as much as Sampras. Federer's serve might not have the same speed, but he has better volley, groundstrokes and mobility.
Sampras would obviously dominate the naughts, as did Federer. He would struggle mightily in the 10's against Djokovic and Nadal, who are faster, stronger and more athletic than Agassi! And importantly, modern tennis is much friendlier to the baseliners than 20 years ago!
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You sound like you think Pete was a servebot...his volleys are ATG and not somewhat, but significantly better than Fed's. His forehand is also comparable to Fed's.
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bro, what sh*t are you taking?
I also want some, seems to be good
could have gone either way?
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As if you weren't having a little heart attack during the tiebreaker, and when Nadal took the 2nd 6-1?bro, what sh*t are you taking?
I also want some, seems to be good
could have gone either way?
Some of Fed's most devout fanatics on here voted Nadal to win in 4 or 5 on the match thread
As if you weren't having a little heart attack during the tiebreaker, and when Nadal took the 2nd 6-1?
Some of Fed's most devout fanatics on here voted Nadal to win in 4 or 5 on the match thread
1. imagine that I didn't
2. I couldn't care less whether one millionaire will win, or another one
3. will you share what sh*t are you taking?
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Deleted member 781040
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Go check the match thread yourself pal, Beatlesfan and Thirdserve voted Nadal to win...I couldn't write that myself if I wanted to
Wimbledon 2019 SF: Roger Federer [2] vs Rafael Nadal [3] | Page 70 | Talk Tennis (tennis-warehouse.com)
Go check the match thread yourself pal, Beatlesfan and Thirdserve voted Nadal to win...I couldn't write that myself if I wanted to
Wimbledon 2019 SF: Roger Federer [2] vs Rafael Nadal [3] | Page 70 | Talk Tennis (tennis-warehouse.com)
1. for a roookie Sampras fan, you posses a lot of knowledge about what Fed fans did in the past. For which reason your account was banned?
2. I'm still curios which sh*t are you taking, and I'm serious when I say that it seems to be good
3. is your presence here an admission that you chickened out from the discussion about Pete winning Pioline Opens and Kafelnikov Invitationals?
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Deleted member 781040
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bwahahaha so deflection/accusation is the route eh?
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