If Nadal wins this WTF, the GOAT discussion is over

[Hitman]

Rafa will be considered the GOAT by June anyway, since he will be on 21 slams. This WTF is simply the cherry on a very large cake.

 

[BackhandDTL]

Credibility goes downhill when someone thinks Hewitt is beating the greatest HC player of all time in his prime in a BO5 match.

Hewitt and Djokovic are in different leagues altogether. Nice try though.

 

[BackhandDTL]

At least 5 more FO victories for Nadal. As ugly as it is, it's hard to argue with that. I'll keep my ammo for the unlikely scenario Fed recaptures the slam record.

No way 5. Maybe 2 or 3 max.

 

[abmk]

Credibility goes downhill when someone thinks Hewitt is beating the greatest HC player of all time in his prime in a BO5 match.

Nice try though.

but Hewitt did beat the greatest HC player of all time Federer in a Bo5 match very close to his prime (Davis Cup 2003)

you also lose all credibility pretending Novak is anywhere near top 3 at USO level wise or achievements wise.
Beating prime djokovic at USO - Frickin Nishikori did it. Stan did it. Murray did it. All 3 worse at the USO than Hewitt. Of course prime Hewitt could beat prime Djokovic at the USO (unless Djokovic was close to his best)

Your tennis IQ/knowledge is -ve. That's the reality.

 

[Hitman]

No way 5. Maybe 2 or 3 max.

Rafa is certainly getting to around 15 RG, that much is obvious to me. But if he starts to modify his schedule past that, he can win more.

 

[BackhandDTL]

but Hewitt did beat the greatest HC player of all time Federer in a Bo5 match very close to his prime (Davis Cup 2003)

you also lose all credibility pretending Novak is anywhere near top 3 at USO level wise or achievements wise.
Beating djokovic at USO - Frickin Nishikori did it. Stan did it. Murray did it. All 3 worse at the USO than Hewitt.

Your tennis IQ/knowledge is -ve. That's the reality.

Peak Murray, Goating Nishikori all beat Hewitt.

 

[Daniel Andrade]

Clay GOAT.

Nadal is 0-15 against Federer/Djokovic outside of clay since 2013US/2014AO

How do Fed and Djoko fare against him on clay since 2013?

 

[Daniel Andrade]

IF

 

[abmk]

Peak Murray, Goating Nishikori all beat Hewitt.

peak hewitt > peak Murray at USO, but atleast you can make some argument there.
GOATing Nishi? LOL. prime Hewitt takes him down.
Like I had predicted, Nishi's level was good, but nowhere near enough to beat Cilic.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Yes and when that happens, Nadal will continue to add to his record-breaking slam count via FO victories.

So he will go from mega clay goat to mega clay goat +1.

 

[TheAssassin]

Federer still has that title until Nadal wins 1-2 more Slams.

 

[tudwell]

add Bagdatis to mix as well. Seriously how one on earth can compare Fed 20 to Nadal 20. Fed had a free run which stopped as soon as Nadal/Djoko emerged on the scene and you want to use that free run as an argument against Nadal/djokovic? bamboozling indeed..

Nadal’s beaten more slamless slam finalists than Fed has.

 

[Third Serve]

Peak Murray, Goating Nishikori all beat Hewitt.

lmao @ any version of Nishikori over Hewitt.

 

[pico]

I agree

 

[BackhandDTL]

lmao @ any version of Nishikori over Hewitt.

2014 USO Nishikori is beating Hewitt in 4 sets. Hewitt could only dream of playing that aggressively for the course of a match. Hewitt beats any other Nishikori though, correct.

Hewitt took the ball early but Nishikori took the ball early and changed direction consistently with pace in that SF.

 

[Third Serve]

2014 USO Nishikori is beating Hewitt in 4 sets. Hewitt could only dream of playing that aggressively for the course of a match. Hewitt beats any other Nishikori though, correct.

Hewitt took the ball early but Nishikori took the ball early and changed direction consistently.

Even 90's Clay would have been offended by this.

 

[Lleytonstation]

From Christmas exho to potential GOAT deciding tourney, absolute scenes

Yep. So if he loses he is a mug?

 

[BackhandDTL]

Even 90's Clay would have been offended by this.

When has Prime Hewitt ever displayed the aggression and level that Nishikori did in that match. He was ripping backhand winners unconsciously from everywhere on that court.

No ones denying that Hewitt wipes the floor with Nishikori in most of their matches but not in that USO 2014 SF.

 

[Arak]

The GOAT debate will never be over. It will just move to the former pro player section soon, and 20 years from now it will still be a hot topic, just like Seles stabbing incident, and McEnroe vs Connors rivalry.

 

[tudwell]

Even 90's Clay would have been offended by this.

2-5000

 

[abmk]

When has Prime Hewitt ever displayed the aggression and level that Nishikori did in that match. He was ripping backhand winners unconsciously from everywhere on that court.

No ones denying that Hewitt wipes the floor with Nishikori in most of their matches but not in that USO 2014 SF.

Take USO 2005 SF vs Fed for example:
Hewitt had 45 winners in 290 points =15.51%

Nishikori in 2014 USO SF had 37 winners in 237 points = 15.61%

http://2014.usopen.org/en_US/scores/stats/day19/1601ms.html

Before you bring in slower USO court for Nishi, keep in mind Federer is more of a winner machine than Djokovic, so that cuts down Hewitt's chances of winners.

 

[Ray Mercer]

Bottom line is that Nadal is a one trick pony who can’t win consistently off the dirt. He’s only won two Wimbledon titles and one Australian. That is 3 titles total at 50% of the majors. That is sad. His resume is way too skewed and he’s not nearly as well rounded as Federer or Djokovic. He’s way too one dimensional.

Since the beginning of time it’s always been a fact that you need to be considered dominant at Wimbledon and an arguable grass GOAT to be considered the greatest of all time.

 

[USO]

Bottom line is that Nadal is a one trick pony who can’t win consistently off the dirt. He’s only got one two Wimbledon titles and one Australian. That is 3 titles total at 50 % of the majors. That is sad. His resume is way too skewed and he’s not nearly as well rounded as Federer or Djokovic. He’s way too one dimensional.

Since the beginning of time it’s always been a fact that you need to be considered dominant at Wimbledon and an arguable grass GOAT to be considered the greatest of all time.

Djokovic has only one FO and three USO, that’s only 4 total at 50% of the majors. That is sad too?

Nadal has reached the final of each slam at least five times, he has nothing to prove.

Federer is a legend, I don’t think you should mention Djokovic next to him.

 

[TTMR]

It's all the more impressive since the tour is highly skewed towards hard courters (before the 90s, it was skewed towards grass/carpet courters). Nadal is the first clay court-oriented player to be considered the greatest player of all time, despite most of his matches being off his favourite surface!

 

[Druss]

Nadal would still need to win one more slam (as long as Fed doesn’t win any more), in order to be considered GOAT.

 

[TTMR]

Nadal would still need to win one more slam (as long as Fed doesn’t win any more), in order to be considered GOAT.

7 month wait barring a surprise Nadal win at the AO or unnamed virus resurgence.

 

[ChaelAZ]

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?goto/post&id=14842080

Clay GOAT.

Nadal is 0-15 against Federer/Djokovic outside of clay since 2013US/2014AO

How do Fed and Djoko fare against him on clay since 2013?

Right?It is always a one sided argument. Somehow Nadal's bit less titles on HC or grass is not as important as the fact Djo and Fed are drastically lacking on clay. But wutevs.

 

[SinneGOAT]

There's just nothing that Djokovic or Federer can do from this point that Nadal hasn't already done, once Nadal wins the WTF.

I love Nadal to death, but there are things Fedovic can do that Nadal can’t.

 

[Druss]

Anyone knows what Nadal needs to do in order to get back to No1? Would winning the WTF and a deep run at AO and a win at either IW or Miami be enough?

 

[cortado]

Who even cares about WTF?

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Okay order was restores by Meddy I guess

 

[Badabing888]

This thread didn't age well.

 

[TTMR]

This thread didn't age well.

Okay just wait 7 months and the discussion will be over at 21.

 

[PilotPete]

I guess the GOAT discussion is over! Can't be GOAT without beating the top players in the world. Nadal can do it once or twice which is what he faces in a slam. But to have to consistently play top players, he's just not good enough.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Horrible lose for Nadal. He had everything perfectly lined up for him this week. Huge blow for his legacy. The Feddy boys now will have another argument to continue to call him a clay court specialist.

 

[Badabing888]

Okay just wait 7 months and the discussion will be over at 21.

Yeh but he'll still have only won 8 non Clay slams.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

It's still over.

 

[duaneeo]

Okay just wait 7 months and the discussion will be over at 21.

But this thread wasn't about 21. It was about "he will have done everything".

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Okay just wait 7 months and the discussion will be over at 21.

Actually his claim will be worse.

 

[Badabing888]

Rafa's only even won 1 indoor hardcourt title in his career. And that was in a final in Madrid coming back from 2 sets to love down and when he was 20 years old.

 

[Nate7-5]

He's never going to win this tournament.

 

[ND-13]

So, YEC is now back to Christmas exho now ??

 

[Druss]

7 month wait barring a surprise Nadal win at the AO or unnamed virus resurgence.

FYI,
Post #126 is null and void now.
Medv saved the day.

 

[Kalin]

So, did Rafa win?

 

[Centrius]

Well there you go op.

 

[Krish0608]

This is similar to the "Djoker is GOAT of he wins RG" thread.

 

[AceSalvo]

So much desperation over an "exho". Keep going bull fan bois.

Desperation over. WTF back to "exho" status.

 

[Hitman]

It's all in the thread title.

If he wins the WTF, he will have done everything. Olympic Gold, all four grand slams, tied for most grand slams, many weeks at #1 and most at #2, Masters, clay supremacy. There's just no path for Djokovic or Federer to overtake him anymore once Nadal closes the deal here. That will be it for at least a generation or two.

 

[StrongRule]

I don't care about this tournament. I only care about how he lost it. Why couldn't Medvedev just win in straights? Every time Nadal loses it has to be a choke these days...

 

[Tennease]

Suresh is GOAT. End of thread.