If one of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro wins Wimbledon...

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which is almost a given at this point this means that the lost+next gen will have one last shot at saving their butts from humiliation.

If no-one born after 1988 wins the US Open that means that we won't have an active Slam champion in his 20s.
 
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What a time to be alive

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This is normal. Why should younger guys win over older guys? Guys in their 30s should dominate guys in their 20s if all is equal, because of experience. And you don't physically decline in your 30s. Plus, tennis is still 60% skills and not just fitness, so older guys should have an advantage.

Also, physical peak is average, some greats are an outliers probably, that's why they are greats, so just because the average peak is 25-35, that doesn't mean some greats won't have different peaks.
Average means, average, this means that one guy can be done till age 30, but one guy can still be tough till age 40.

Just like average IQ doesn't mean, we all should be close to average. Doesn't work that way.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Federer v nadal final or Federer v Djokovic final! What do you guys want and think?
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I think the final will be Federer-Djokovic.Djokovic path to the final is not very hard - only the semis could be.He can meet Nadal there.The Federer path to the final is pretty decent also.Mannarino,then Monfis/Anderson and then probably Raonic/Isner.So the chances of Federer-Djokovic final are pretty big.Personally I will prefer Federer-Djokovic final over Federer- Nadal
 
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I’m not sure if Novak will beat Rafa in the semis. Djoko is playing better but nadals confidence is higher. He’s won 3 of the last 6 majors, so I think nadal would be slight favourite.

Plus a hot sunny day, Rafa likes them conditions. I hope for that match, will be a cracker, plus either will be able to put up a competitive fight against fed in final!
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I’m not sure if Novak will beat Rafa in the semis. Djoko is playing better but nadals confidence is higher. He’s won 3 of the last 6 majors, so I think nadal would be slight favourite.

Plus a hot sunny day, Rafa likes them conditions. I hope for that match, will be a cracker, plus either will be able to put up a competitive fight against fed in final!
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Going to disagree with you there. As soon as Djokovic sees Nadal on the other side of the net, he sees red, the same with when he sees Federer or Murray. A struggling Djokovic on clay pushed Nadal hard in Rome, no one expected him to match him shot for shot at the start, taking him to a tie break. This is grass, and Djokovic is a better grass player than a clay player at this stage in his career, and he is smacking winners left and right. If he is zoning, Nadal will be in serious trouble. Confidence or not, Djokovic resets when he sees Nadal or Federer.
 
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Hitman said:
Going to disagree with you there. As soon as Djokovic sees Nadal on the other side of the net, he sees red, the same with when he sees Federer or Murray. A struggling Djokovic on clay pushed Nadal hard in Rome, no one expected him to match him shot for shot at the start, taking him to a tie break. This is grass, and Djokovic is a better grass player than a clay player at this stage in his career, and he is smacking winners left and right. If he is zoning, Nadal will be in serious trouble. Confidence or not, Djokovic resets when he sees Nadal or Federer.
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It would be great for the game if he can! He’s more than capable but he’s still on the comeback trail.

We have to be realistic. Djoko has not won a big match or tournament for 2 years. It’s a long time. He’s getting back though and it won’t be long.

However, it may still be a bit soon. Although, like Fed and Rafa, we can never rule him out. If Novak gets to the semi with Rafa it will be a close match. I think nadal will edge it but for sure Novak will believe he can win.

It’s great to have the big 3 back and playing great! A fascinating Wimbledon and us open to come.
 
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It would be great for the game if he can! He’s more than capable but he’s still on the comeback trail.

We have to be realistic. Djoko has not won a big match or tournament for 2 years. It’s a long time. He’s getting back though and it won’t be long.

However, it may still be a bit soon. Although, like Fed and Rafa, we can never rule him out. If Novak gets to the semi with Rafa it will be a close match. I think nadal will edge it but for sure Novak will believe he can win.

It’s great to have the big 3 back and playing great! A fascinating Wimbledon and us open to come.
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Having them all play good tennis is a win for the sport, because generation Instagram is too busy posting selfies of themselves.
 
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Hitman said:
Going to disagree with you there. As soon as Djokovic sees Nadal on the other side of the net, he sees red, the same with when he sees Federer or Murray. A struggling Djokovic on clay pushed Nadal hard in Rome, no one expected him to match him shot for shot at the start, taking him to a tie break. This is grass, and Djokovic is a better grass player than a clay player at this stage in his career, and he is smacking winners left and right. If he is zoning, Nadal will be in serious trouble. Confidence or not, Djokovic resets when he sees Nadal or Federer.
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Rome is where,even though he lost, I knew he could come back if he wanted to to. It was a matter of time. I think Novak let that match go in the end, because he himself wanted to. He came away saying "you ain't all that buddy. Have a good time while it lasts".
 
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JackGates said:
This is normal. Why should younger guys win over older guys? Guys in their 30s should dominate guys in their 20s if all is equal, because of experience. And you don't physically decline in your 30s. Plus, tennis is still 60% skills and not just fitness, so older guys should have an advantage.

Also, physical peak is average, some greats are an outliers probably, that's why they are greats, so just because the average peak is 25-35, that doesn't mean some greats won't have different peaks.
Average means, average, this means that one guy can be done till age 30, but one guy can still be tough till age 40.

Just like average IQ doesn't mean, we all should be close to average. Doesn't work that way.
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I haven't seen you post one intelligent thing since you've joined. Pretty impressive actually.
 
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joekapa said:
Rome is where,even though he lost, I knew he could come back if he wanted to to. It was a matter of time. I think Novak let that match go in the end, because he himself wanted to. He came away saying "you ain't all that buddy. Have a good time while it lasts".
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I think he came away saying..."I'm not dead yet."

He performed much better than anyone had expected him to in that match, and that was Nadal on clay.
 
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joekapa said:
Rome is where,even though he lost, I knew he could come back if he wanted to to. It was a matter of time. I think Novak let that match go in the end, because he himself wanted to. He came away saying "you ain't all that buddy. Have a good time while it lasts".
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So he let Nadal win? Did he let cecchinato or whatever his name was win as well:rolleyes:
 
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JackGates said:
This is normal. Why should younger guys win over older guys? Guys in their 30s should dominate guys in their 20s if all is equal, because of experience. And you don't physically decline in your 30s. Plus, tennis is still 60% skills and not just fitness, so older guys should have an advantage.

Also, physical peak is average, some greats are an outliers probably, that's why they are greats, so just because the average peak is 25-35, that doesn't mean some greats won't have different peaks.
Average means, average, this means that one guy can be done till age 30, but one guy can still be tough till age 40.

Just like average IQ doesn't mean, we all should be close to average. Doesn't work that way.
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Please do some light research. The amount of Slams won by players in their 30s prior to Fed/Nadal/Wawrinka were quite rare and a lot of great players retired in their late 20s or early 30s. Tennis is like swimming where you have a short shelf life.

The early days of Open era were different because of the pro circuit. Otherwise the only guys to have success in their 30s were Connors & Agassi.
 
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Incognito said:
So he let Nadal win? Did he let cecchinato or whatever his name was win as well:rolleyes:
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That poster is one of the biggest clowns on the forum. Just one absurd post after the next. You think it can't get any worse and it always does, i.e. now he's saying Djokovic could have won that match vs Nadal in Rome but he didn't want to. You can't make this stuff up.
 
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Same holds true in the (unlikelier) event that Gulbis, Mannarino, Monfils, Anderson, Isner, or Simon takes the title.
 
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cc0509 said:
That poster is one of the biggest clowns on the forum. Just one absurd post after the next. You think it can't get any worse and it always does, i.e. now he's saying Djokovic could have won that match vs Nadal in Rome but he didn't want to. You can't make this stuff up.
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Yeah, it’s not like Masters and majors were raining down on Djokovic in the last two Years. Giving matches away is not in his memo.
 
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30-36 is the peak age for many endurance sports and tennis is much more attritional than yesteryear due to reasons we all know about so no great surprise.
 
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Doesn't have to be one of those four for this to hold. Could also be Mannarino (age 30), Monfils (age 31), Anderson (age 32), Isner (age 33), or Simon (age 33), or Gulbis (turns 30 in August). Of the 16 men left in the draw, eight are 30+ and ten will be 30+ by the end of September.
 
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BGod said:
Please do some light research. The amount of Slams won by players in their 30s prior to Fed/Nadal/Wawrinka were quite rare and a lot of great players retired in their late 20s or early 30s. Tennis is like swimming where you have a short shelf life.

The early days of Open era were different because of the pro circuit. Otherwise the only guys to have success in their 30s were Connors & Agassi.
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He's saying he thinks it's changed. You can deny that, but pointing to the history gets you nowhere at all in arguing that. All it does is point out things used to be different. But when an argument is that things have changed since the past, you can't point to the past to say that they haven't.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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cc0509 said:
That poster is one of the biggest clowns on the forum. Just one absurd post after the next. You think it can't get any worse and it always does, i.e. now he's saying Djokovic could have won that match vs Nadal in Rome but he didn't want to. You can't make this stuff up.
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Nadal won because he was the better player on the day. Nadal is favourite if they meet in the semi a5 Wimbledon as he’s won the last 2 meetings, he’s also won 3 of the last 6 majors and is number 1. It’s roles reverse from a 2-3 years ago, when Djoko was the favourite and no1. Will be a cracker like.
 
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toby55555 said:
30-36 is the peak age for many endurance sports and tennis is much more attritional than yesteryear due to reasons we all know about so no great surprise.
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YE 2009:
1. Federer 28y
2. Nadal 23y
3. Djokovic 22y
4. Murray 22y
5. Del Potro 21y

You really think the sport is that different than 9 years ago?
 
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tennis_pro said:
which is almost a given at this point this means that the lost+next gen will have one last shot at saving their butts from humiliation.

If no-one born after 1988 wins the US Open that means that we won't have an active Slam champion in his 20s.
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That generation, or The Can't Win A Major Legion (Thiem, Isner, Nishikori, Kyrgios, Dimitrov, Simon, Pospisil, Tomic, Querry, et al) have spent how many years on tour, hyped by fans claiming the ATP was strong because of them? As of this date, no one should expect any of them to win even a single major unless the Grandaddies are injured, sick, distracted, the victim of a miracle early upset, or retire. I cannot recall a men's tour go this long with zero majors success from at least one of the "younger" generation.
 
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Jonas78 said:
YE 2009:
1. Federer 28y
2. Nadal 23y
3. Djokovic 22y
4. Murray 22y
5. Del Potro 21y

You really think the sport is that different than 9 years ago?
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Hewitt Nalbandian Wimbledon Final 2002 was the eye opener for me showing how the sport was evolving so that those young guys you list would have a better chance to continue into in their 30s
 
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That's done then: the US Open is the last major left before all active major champions in men's singles are 30+.

And this will be the eighth major in a row won by a man aged 31 or more.
 
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