I'm calling it now: Fully fit Del Potro will not be a huge threat to Nadal

Messarger

Hall of Fame
Thread title says it all really. After re-watching last years match between Del Potro and Nadal, i really am not convinced that Del Potro will be to Nadal what Nadal is to Federer ie his achilles heel. Sure, Nadal may have lost that match 6-2 6-2 6-2, but some of the rallys and winners that he hit in that match was classic Rafa stuff. He just wasnt able to do it consistently and on the important moments, and fair play to Del Potro for that level of play.

However, it's common knowledge that Nadal's form in the latter part of '09 wasnt his best. I'm really not interested in whether it was his parents divorce, his abdominal tear, his knees or anything. That's not the point. The point is if you were to compare Nadal in 09 and 10, it's pretty obvious his level in 09 was like 75-80% of 10. But even at 75-80% (to me at least), he was still winning some awesome rallys against Del Potro. With that in mind, i'd think that if the Nadal that won against the US Open were to face Del Potro at 100%, i'd fancy his chances of winning maybe in 4 or 5 sets.

I see a lot of people having the opinion that Del Potro would crush Nadal on a hard court the subsequent times they meet, but these people are forgetting that the game of tennis is played by two players. Your level of play is somewhat determined by your opponents level of play. Relating to Del Potro vs Nadal, it's easy for Del Potro to crush those mid court sitters that Nadal was offering him in that semi final match. But would a 100% Rafa offer him that many sitters in one match? On the important points? Looking at this year's US Open, i'd think that Nadal is no longer looking to play his clay forehand on the hardcourts. He's making his opponent hit on the run so that their shots would carry less pace which allows him to time them better. And i expect that strategy to be employed against Del Potro with some success, considering that even Djokovic (who is one of the best movers today) had trouble running down Nadal's flatter forehands.

Of course, i'm not saying that Nadal will come out on top everytime these two meet, but to say that Del Potro will "crush" Nadal in future is irrational in every sense of the word. And i really do hope that these two meet more in future. At their best both of them could potentially give us Wimby'08 esque matches.
 
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dlk

Hall of Fame
Too early to tell. Need to see more of JMDP. But I would not bet against Nadal, even if Del Potro was 100%.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
No one today is a huge threat to Nadal.
At least not consistently and predictably. The odd upset can still happen, though.
 

Xemi666

Professional
I agree. He'll only be able to beat Nadal sometimes on HC like Djokovic, but on clay and grass? Forget it.
 

MixieP

Hall of Fame
I agree with your assessment, but I wonder if it's your mum logging in with your account writing so eloquently. Didn't you use to expound on amazing rafa being the farmer with his goat forehand?
 
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Jchurch

Guest
I agree when Nadal is 100% healthy and he wins then he wins. If he doesn't win, he won't win.
 

jackson vile

G.O.A.T.
agreed but del po won't get bk to that level regardless.

That is a plain stupid statement LOL Obviously next year will most likely be a bad year, the year after better and the year after he wins 2-3 slams that year.

Delpo has not even come close to hitting his peak, he will go far beyond that level and hell yes he will be trouble for Nadal sooner or later.
 

Roger No.1

Rookie
agreed but del po won't get bk to that level regardless.
After US Open Nadal is playing about the same as he did during last year's US Open. He can play great, then few weeks later he loses to Garcia-Lopez and to Melzer. Besides last year Del Potro missed a drug test right before the US Open (after not playing at Cincinnati) so it's not likely his game wasn't enhanced.
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
I agree when Nadal is 100% healthy and he wins then he wins. If he doesn't win, he won't win.

My sarcasm detector is not working, but if you're serious about what you wrote then re read the thread again. I never mentioned Nadal not being healthy or anything like that. I'm not suggesting that when Nadal plays his best he is invincible (wimby '07, AO' 08, US Open '07 etc).
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
I agree with your assessment, but I wonder if it's your mum logging in with your account writing so eloquently. Didn't you use to expound on amazing rafa being the farmer with his goat forehand?

wait for AO'11. it will come. :mrgreen:
 

Cyan

Hall of Fame
After US Open Nadal is playing about the same as he did during last year's US Open. He can play great, then few weeks later he loses to Garcia-Lopez and to Melzer. Besides last year Del Potro missed a drug test right before the US Open (after not playing at Cincinnati) so it's not likely his game wasn't enhanced.

Seriously?:shock:
 

ryushen21

Legend
I like JMPD. I even called him to win the USO in '09. I think he great for the game as he hits the ball a ton and really drives his shots.

Will he be a challenge for Nadal? Yes. Will that be this year? Not so sure. He's coming back after a whole lot of injury time and will not be in top form soon. It will take him months to get there. But I absolutely believe that he will be competitive and a contender in the future slams.

I think he will be very good for keeping the men's game interesting.
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
I like JMPD. I even called him to win the USO in '09. I think he great for the game as he hits the ball a ton and really drives his shots.

Will he be a challenge for Nadal? Yes. Will that be this year? Not so sure. He's coming back after a whole lot of injury time and will not be in top form soon. It will take him months to get there. But I absolutely believe that he will be competitive and a contender in the future slams.

I think he will be very good for keeping the men's game interesting.

Yes i agree. A healthy Del Potro is a contender everywhere except grass where he's still figuring the surface out. But some people geniunely believe that he would wipe the floor with rafa base on their matches last year, which is a total joke if i'm not mincing my words.
 
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meg0529

Guest
That is a plain stupid statement LOL Obviously next year will most likely be a bad year, the year after better and the year after he wins 2-3 slams that year.

Delpo has not even come close to hitting his peak, he will go far beyond that level and hell yes he will be trouble for Nadal sooner or later.

Seriously? 2-3 slams in one year?
Then again, Fed's dominance will end soon enough(I'm not convinced it's over). If Nadal deal with injury another year, and no Feddy, lots of players will have their chance. Particularly Sod, Murray and Joker and if Delpo is back then Delpo. However, he's not exactly in his teens you know. This injury has hurt him a lot. He had to sit out a whole year, and coming back next year will take at min will kill another 4-5 months before he settles in. Wimbly he's no good at. I mean no doubt he has a spectacular year last year, but he really does have to prove himself still.
 

ryushen21

Legend
Yes i agree. A healthy Del Potro is a contender everywhere except grass where he's still figuring the surface out. But some people geniunely believe that he would wipe the floor with rafa base on their matches last year, which is a total joke if i'm not mincing my words.

I would say that their most interesting matchups would be hardcourts and clay. JMDP I think shines on the hardcourts where Nadal is still gaining his standing. But now with his USO win, that is harder to argue.

I think that both are good on clay, but red clay practically runs through Rafa's veins. I would love to see them head to head at the FO but all edge goes to Rafa.

Grass goes to Rafa. JMDP just needs time to learn how to play on it. If he had a less than stellar RG, I think it would be wise for him to play as many grass court tourneys as he could leading into Wimby.

Again, I still think it will be some time before we see these stellar matches between the two. If DelPo is good and ready to go and working hard, I would say maybe at RG. If not, I think the summer hardcourt season and the Road to the USO will be great.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
If Nadal has a match-up problem with del Potro, he'll figure it out before long, like he did with Blake, Youzhny, Berdych and Soderling.
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
Del Potro will be a big threat it seems.
He can handle Nadal's topspin to either side or a flat ball if Nadal tries to change things up.
He can improve his serve and play at the net, movement around the court with a huge wingspan.
The mental part is there, he has no fear at all of Rafa.
The pressure of being at or near the top is still unproven though, it has a way of wearing players down after awhile.

I'm not worried about any of this right now, I just want him to get back and play well.
 

_maxi

Banned
We don't know if we can ever see a fit del potro again.
But if he is fit, he can beat nadal and everyone, for sure. Like any top5.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
If Nadal has a match-up problem with del Potro, he'll figure it out before long, like he did with Blake, Youzhny, Berdych and Soderling.

none of them were as as good as delpo and more importantly even close to being mentally tough as him... rafa will find him a handful if he returns to 100% fitness and form
 
People were saying the same thing about Tsonga a few years ago when Tsonga beat Rafa 6-2 6-3 6-2 at Australian Open, they were saying he is a matchup nightmare for Rafa. And look what happened! Rafa has won their last 4 meetings, all on hardcourt.
 
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meg0529

Guest
The entire tour is a joke compared to Nadal. He's on a new level that has never been reached before.

Oh come on! Yes he's on a new level that he's never been at before. But that first statement is just plain garbage. Nadal just suffered 2 very bad loses, doesn't matter what the reason was, point is there are guys who can beat him. That statement is just as bad as sum of the bs *******s hurl out on a daily basis. Nadal is not unbeatable, and until that is the case, no one is a joke. Lets first see how Rafa finishes the year.
 

Messarger

Hall of Fame
Del Potro will be a big threat it seems.
He can handle Nadal's topspin to either side or a flat ball if Nadal tries to change things up.
He can improve his serve and play at the net, movement around the court with a huge wingspan.
The mental part is there, he has no fear at all of Rafa.
The pressure of being at or near the top is still unproven though, it has a way of wearing players down after awhile.

I'm not worried about any of this right now, I just want him to get back and play well.

May i know what are you basing this on?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Woulda could shoulda. Bottom line, Davy leads Nadal in H2H. And Davy is not even a slam winner. That's pathetic.

Is anyone a slam winner besides Fedal in the last 5 yrs? Oh... ok... just 2 others. It's not pathetic, Davy is a FANTASTIC tennis player and a friggin backboard.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
none of them were as as good as delpo and more importantly even close to being mentally tough as him... rafa will find him a handful if he returns to 100% fitness and form

Del Potro is no different to the other match-up problems Nadal has had in the past. Nadal's biggest strength is his adaptation to new challenges, how he sets himself a goal and does everything he can to eventually achieve it. People have such short memories but before this year's French Open final, some were even talking as if Soderling was the favourite. That notion looks so ridiculous right now that most would deny even thinking it at the time.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
The entire tour is a joke compared to Nadal. He's on a new level that has never been reached before.
For once I find myself in agreement with you. However, calling them a joke is a bit harsh, considering he's really pulled ahead. Would be like calling the tour a joke when Roger was at peak.

He's clearly a few steps ahead of the competition, but is putting a lot of toll on his body (and mind?) for it.
 

namelessone

Legend
The biggest reason why DelPo can endanger Nadal is not necessarily his game, though that is a big factor, but because he has big cojones. The guy does not give a crap, he just goes out and plays. He is amiable with both Rafa and Fed(admires Fed very much) but he won't back down when playing either guy.

He came back from two breaks down in the third in Miami to beat Nadal.

He took Fed to five in RG.

He took out Nadal quickly in USO SF.

He was the first guy in six years to take Roger out at the USO. And in a final no less.

Then he beat Roger again at WTF.

When the new year came around, he actually went ahead and played AO even though his wrist was bad. He was taken out by Cilic but DelPo soldiered on even though he lost sets in every match in that AO. His match with Blake was one of the best in 2010.

He is clearly an asset to the tour.
 
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Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
May i know what are you basing this on?

Surely the fact that Del Potro is 6' 6" is enough proof that he can handle the topspin? The ball is directly in his hit zone as it jump up, making it easier to deal with. He can also hit through Nadal better than most others, making it harder for the Spaniard to employ his defensive skills to win the point.
 
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Deleted member 25923

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The biggest reason why DelPo can endanger Nadal is not necessarily his game, though that is a big factor, but because he has big cojones. The guy does not give a crap, he just goes out and plays. He is amiable with both Rafa and Fed(admires Fed very much) but he won't back down when playing either guy.

He came back from two breaks down in the third in Miami to beat Nadal.

He took Fed to five in RG.

He took out Nadal quickly in USO SF.

He was the first guy in six years to take Roger out at the USO. And in a final no less.

Then he beat Roger again at WTF.

When the new year came around, he actually went ahead and played AO even though his wrist was bad. He was taken out by Cilic but DelPo soldiered on even though he lost sets in every match in that AO. His match with Blake was one of the best in 2010.

He is clearly an asset to the tour.

This: Del Potro is fearless. And almost annoyingly, he brings his A game when he plays Roger!!!! it's downright scary
 
Anyone who thinks Del Potro can beat Nadal on clay or grass is kidding themselves. We'll talk when he cane get past to the final of the French or get past the 2nd round of Wimbledon. Del Potro couldn't even beat choking Federer at the French Open.
 
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