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lol TBB was parodying another poster the entire time
Why did Nadal have such a hard time vs Del Potro compared to Fed?
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The Blond Blur
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Sigh, I guess I’m going to have to explain this real slow to you since you don’t get it. The OP is Fed fan troll who goes around saying that he’s a RAFAN while insulting him at the same time. Real low level stuff I give it a 2/10 tops. He can’t even stay in character for moar than a couple of poasts. @Backspin1183 and I have been detailing his threads by pretending to be Fed fans that insult Ol’ Rog. Basically beating him at his own game, which has been child’s play. The fact that you came in here and were so easily triggered says a lot about you. I wasn’t even trying to bait you, you just jumped right into the boat.[Q
Backspin1183
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abmk
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He didn't do that at first in this thread.
not in a couple of other threads I've seen from him either.
That I didn't think this was parody says a LOT about your bias for Nadal and against Fed, pal.
If this were @Backspin1183 , I wouldn't have said a thing considering I know he has respect for Fed.
The Blond Blur
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Lol dude he’s done it for a while now. Not my fault you aren’t able to recognize sarcasm. @Backspin1183 and I have parodied him together in multiple threads today, including this one. I do have respect for Ol’ Rog. Just because I don’t worship the ground he walks on doesn’t mean I don’t respect him. And yeah I’m moar biased towards RAFA since I’m a RAFAN, just like you’re biased towards Ol’ Rog since you’re his fan.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Like I said, there was nothing in this thread from him, nor in a couple of other threads I've seen from him. I'm not an investigator to know every thread he's created.
You haven't shown much signs you respect Fed, unlike @Backspin1183 .
and he doesn't worship the ground fed walks on.
Neither do I. You just can't deal with me calling out some of your eggrigously biased posts in the past.
MichaelNadal
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Like I said, there was nothing in this thread from him, nor in a couple of other threads I've seen from him. I'm not an investigator to know every thread he's created.
You haven't shown much signs you respect Fed, unlike @Backspin1183 .
and he doesn't worship the ground fed walks on.
Neither do I. You just can't deal with me calling out some of your eggrigously biased posts in the past.
You swear you be doing something to people
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Um ok...how have I been disrespectful to Ol’ Rog? You’re the one who takes this place way too seriously and gets annoyed/triggered by other people’s opinions. Case and point you took this joke super seriously and now are trying to gaslight me.
MichaelNadal
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Literally wasn’t even trying and triggered him by accidentMy bestie never knows when to log off
abmk
Bionic Poster
1. several posts atleast bordering on disrespect.
couple of examples:
a. saying fed of USO 2010 wouldn't even win a set vs nadal of USO 2010. fed didn't even lose a set before the semi. Even played a better quarter than nadal did in windy conditions. (fed vs Sod and nadal vs dasco). Fed had below par stretches vs djoko, but still went 5. thinking fed wouldn't take a set is bordering on disrespect IMO.
b.
nadal got beat in 4 convincing sets by Murray.
It took a Nadal playing his best tennis to beat Fed at both Wim 08 and AO 09.
Just thinking it'd take a Nadal at USO 08 level (nowhere near his best) to turn up and he'd be able to beat fed of USO 08 SF/F is bordering on disrespect.
Its one thing to say there's a chance fed loses becuase of mental factor. That's fine. Another to say he would definitely find a way to lose.
Note the difference b/w yours and Backspin's posts in the same thread. The logic/reasoning. The recognition of Nadal having to play that well to beat Fed at Wim 08/AO 09.
2. I took your post seriously because there was no background in this thread and your past history. Like I said, if it was @Backspin1183 , I wouldn't have taken it seriously. And he's a Nadal fan as well.
But keep flattering yourself
Literally wasn’t even trying and triggered him by accident
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The Blond Blur
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Dude, you just keep making my points for me lol. You literally went through my poast history to try and find “disrespectful” poasts about Ol’ Rog. Those poasts weren’t even borderline disrespectful.1. several posts atleast bordering on disrespect.
couple of examples:
a. saying fed of USO 2010 wouldn't even win a set vs nadal of USO 2010. fed didn't even lose a set before the semi. had below par stretches vs djoko, but still went 5. thinking fed wouldn't take a set is bordering on disrespect IMO.
b.
nadal got beat in 4 convincing sets by Murray.
It took a Nadal playing his best tennis to beat Fed at both Wim 08 and AO 09.
Just thinking it'd take a Nadal at USO 08 level (nowhere near his best) to turn up and he'd be able to beat fed of USO 08 SF/F is bordering on disrespect.
Its one thing to say there's a chance fed loses becuase of mental factor. That's fine. Another to say he would definitely find a way to lose.
2. I took your post seriously because there was no background in this thread and your past history. Like I said, if it was @Backspin1183 , I wouldn't have taken it seriously. And he's a Nadal fan as well.
But keep flattering yourself
And like you haven’t said anything disrespectful about RAFA before
I've seen you say in an argument with Octrok that 2004 or 2006 Ol' Rog could have potentially straight setted 2010 USO RAFA. By your own logic that's disrespectful to RAFA.Flatter myself? Lol dude you're the one who came into this thread replying to me because you got your panties in a bunch over a joke that wasn't even at your expense.
Sudacafan
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It’s interesting that the two biggest titles of Del Potro’s career: USO 2009 and IW 2018, were won in finals against Federer.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Dude, you just keep making my points for me lol. You literally went through my poast history to try and find “disrespectful” poasts about Ol’ Rog. Those poasts weren’t even borderline disrespectful.
And like you haven’t said anything disrespectful about RAFA before
the 1st one, you said directly in response to me. I remember that.
yes, those posts are borderline disrespectful - I already told explained why.
As far as 2004/2006 USO fed vs 2010 USO nadal is concerned, I've always most likely result is fed in 4 sets.
If I were talking about straight sets, I'd have said a very small chance that it'd be tight 3-sets.
saying nadal would likely win in 4 sets vs fed of USO 2010 in USO 2010, but there is a smaller chance of straight sets is fine. but to say nadal would win in straights for sure is disrespectful.
saying there is a chance Nadal wins over fed because of mentality in USO 2008 is fine. But to say for sure, fed would find a way to lose is disrespectful.
you didn't even put it like Nadal would edge him on sheer mentality.
flattering yourself that you triggered me here. I just responded to what I thought was a serious post. If that's what you call as triggered, you are flattering yourself.
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The Blond Blur
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Lol you were the one who initiated the replies to me in that thread toothe 1st one, you said directly in response to me. I remember that.
yes, those posts are borderline disrespectful - I already told explained why.
As far as 2004/2006 USO fed vs 2010 USO nadal is concerned, I've always most likely result is fed in 4 sets.
If I were talking about straight sets, I'd have said a very small chance that it'd be tight 3-sets.
flattering yourself that you triggered me here. I just responded to what I thought was a serious post. If that's what you call as triggered, you are flattering yourself.
I don’t care if you found those poasts disrespectful. I wasn’t intending them to be disrespectful anyway. So that’s a you problem.Yeah that’s what you said, but based on your criteria I can consider you thinking a straight sets win being a possibility is a sign of disrespect...even if you think it’s a slight chance.
As far as the last paragraph is concerned, that’s my point. You took an obvious joke that seriously and were clearly annoyed by what I said to someone else. You weren’t even involved yet you went out of your way to come at me
abmk
Bionic Poster
Lol you were the one who initiated the replies to me in that thread too
Yeah that’s what you said, but based on your criteria I can consider you thinking a straight sets win being possible as a sign of disrespect...even if you think it’s a slight chance.
As far as the last paragraph is concerned, that’s my point. You took an obvious joke that seriously and were clearly annoyed by what I said to someone else. You weren’t even involved yet you went out of your way to come at me
no, thinking possibility of straights by itself isn't disrespectful. its the context of the match, how much chance you assign to it, the way you post.
saying there is a chance Nadal wins over fed because of mentality in USO 2008 is fine. But to say for sure, fed would find a way to lose is disrespectful.
you didn't even put it like Nadal would edge him on sheer mentality.
saying nadal could beat fed in straights, but more like 4 in USO 2010 is not disrespectful, but saying you are quite sure nadal would win in straights is disrespectful.
get the difference?
You may not think those posts are disrespectful, but IMO they are.
the joke wasn't obvious to me considering your history. Like I said, if it was @Backspin1183 , I wouldn't have said anything. He'd a Nadal fan as well. Get it? If you still don't get it, that's on you.
I have said what I had to on this very clearly. I'm done on this.
The Blond Blur
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Lol you give yourself the benefit of the doubt, but not others. That’s real grown up of you (that was sarcasm btw).
Bolded that’s basically what I said. You’re arguing semantics there. Just because I didn’t use the exact words you wanted me to doesn’t mean I was disrespecting Ol’ Rog.
My history based on a lot of people’s opinions here is that I’m one of the best RAFANS on the forum.
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abmk
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talking about the sentiment, not exact words to be used.
whatever you say. not according to me.
The Blond Blur
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Really don’t care about your opinion, besides you’ve liked poasts of mine that have praised Ol’ Rog before.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Federer lost a fair amount of matches to Del
Potro he had no business losing due to poor strategy and stubbornness. There’s no way he should have lost the 2009 US Open final. It’s crazy considering how badly he beat him in 6 months earlier in Australia. Nadal usually lost because he was just hit off the court. Federer lost because he always wanted to prove superiority in forehand to forehand shootouts rather then expose Del Potro’s weaknesses.
Potro he had no business losing due to poor strategy and stubbornness. There’s no way he should have lost the 2009 US Open final. It’s crazy considering how badly he beat him in 6 months earlier in Australia. Nadal usually lost because he was just hit off the court. Federer lost because he always wanted to prove superiority in forehand to forehand shootouts rather then expose Del Potro’s weaknesses.
The_Mental_Giant
Hall of Fame
More like Federer Slam count depends on a short span of time where he moped the floor with 95% of the tour..but he went of his "peak" when he turned 26.. from 26-(almost)41 he has won less slams than from 22-26.
We all known that Federer depended of very "specific" conditions and players to achieve most of his success, In comparison to Rafa Who has won 6 Slams in 2005-2009; 8 Slams 2010-2014 and 7 Slams 2017-2022 (5 calendar years if we consider the WI2020 was not played)
Federer in Comparison: 12 slams in 2003-2007; 5 slams 2008-2012; 3 slams 2017-2022
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titoelcolombiano
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Why did Federer have such a hard time vs Murray compared to Nadal?
octobrina10
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Why did your beloved player Fed have such a hard time vs Del Potro?
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Why did your beloved player Fed have such a hard time vs Del Potro?
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NeutralFan
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Hey , boy did you order your # 21 jersey ?
He has better hair too.
Sabrina
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Wore Nadal down at Wimbledon 2018, even though Nadal shouldn't have lost the 2nd set TB.
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NeutralFan
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That's what happens when you get cheated by a counterfeited supplier who also happen to be a fed fan.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Fed's prime was from YEC 03 to AO 10. Just as long as nadal's/djoko's.
Giving you back in your own vein - What is known is Nadal dependent on specific conditions aka clay to win majority of his slams - 13 of the 21.
fed is better than him in 3 of the 4 slams and 4 of the 5 sets of conditions (grass, indoors, slow HC, fast HC)
fed in 14-early 16 was clearly better off clay than nadal in 19-current (Wim 14, Wim 15, USO 15, AO 16). Yet fed ended up with 0 slams thanks to prime Djoko, while nadal ended up winning USO 19 and AO 22 due to a weak draws. A quick reminder than Nadal has not won vs either Djoko or Fed off clay for 8 years now.
Also your agenda is obvious when talking about fed in slams till 2022. The last slam when fed was a contender was AO 20.
Rafa4LifeEver
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This.
RS
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Can you see any cases for a Nadal being ranked equal or over Federer?
Rafa4LifeEver
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The Swiss would have defeated him regardless of the time of Nadal match if the swiss didn't start clown acts while serving for the set2, sir.Something that is not said much is that if Nadal had been at 100% capacity in the semifinals of the US Open in 2009, he would have won at least one set and the match could have lasted up to four hours, with which, even if Del Potro had won (which is most likely, it must be said), he would not have had much energy left to battle the next day against Federer and the Swiss would have defeated him without much trouble.
So even though Nadal took the beating of his career in GS matches, it gave the Argentine sky-high motivation and confidence that he could do the same against, at that time, best player in the world.
RS
Bionic Poster
Greatness wise what do you think Nadal would have to do to be least equal?
abmk
Bionic Poster
fed's downturn in 2018 was due to hand injury in grass season, not loss to delpo. Anyways fed had barely escaped vs Coric in the IW 2018 semi.
Yeah, he let USO 2009 slip, but he won the more important match in RG 09 semi.
match ups.
Tall flat hitter with a GOATing forehand isn't bothered by nadal's topspin and has the firepower to trouble rafa with pace - very few have this.
By comparison, Roger had a lot of other facets to trouble delpo - GOATing serve placement, ability to take time away by playing very early against a big man who struggles to change direction. Slice variation, drop shots, sneak, volleys. Plus pace never worried Fed if he was fit and moving well. He always adjusted well to hard hitters in his prime and simply used their pace against them.
Tennis is about match ups.
It explains why surface matters. It explains why Davydenko is 6-5 v Rafa but 2-19 v Fed. And why Rafa is 5-1 v Meddy but Djok is 6-4.
You're style, no matter what it is, will always have a weakness against a certain type of player.
Tall flat hitter with a GOATing forehand isn't bothered by nadal's topspin and has the firepower to trouble rafa with pace - very few have this.
By comparison, Roger had a lot of other facets to trouble delpo - GOATing serve placement, ability to take time away by playing very early against a big man who struggles to change direction. Slice variation, drop shots, sneak, volleys. Plus pace never worried Fed if he was fit and moving well. He always adjusted well to hard hitters in his prime and simply used their pace against them.
Tennis is about match ups.
It explains why surface matters. It explains why Davydenko is 6-5 v Rafa but 2-19 v Fed. And why Rafa is 5-1 v Meddy but Djok is 6-4.
You're style, no matter what it is, will always have a weakness against a certain type of player.
RS
Bionic Poster
I expected you to have a even higher standard so fair play on that at least
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