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those are very specific examples, not the same as being consistently the favorites. Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear in my questionAO 13/14 Stan and 12/13/16 grassray etc etc
those are very specific examples, not the same as being consistently the favorites. Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear in my questionAO 13/14 Stan and 12/13/16 grassray etc etc
Yes not consistent favourites that is impossible barring Fedal as you said but what would to many lower Djokovic slam count to some by like half in that period.those are very specific examples, not the same as being consistently the favorites. Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear in my question
if peak grass Murray and A014 Stan (and so on) all played at the same time, yeah, maybe. But that's not realisticYes not consistent favourites that is impossible barring Fedal but what would to many lower Djokovic slam count to some by like half.
Wow, what a coincidence! HahahaIs Djokovic really playing that well?
Granted, I've been a little busy so I haven't watched too much but people are saying Djokovic is back to his peak. I'm not sure if I really see that. He's playing well, but he has a worse field than he did even in 2015-2016 (relatively weaker years but top heavy) so that can make his results...tt.tennis-warehouse.com
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No. These guys are not considered ATG’s but anyone who is has been championed by the forum to dominate this era very easily and win everything Djokovic won.So basically any of those guys would be 12 slams richer, multiple YE#1s, 100+ weeks at number won if they were in Novaks position? Is this the stance you are taking?
Well Stan would be taken as 13-17 till his injury so it isn’t even just one year it is 4. Doesn’t mean he wins but because he bested Djokovic in Slams in that period he could do so to 18-23 Djokovic to those who think that he did it to a better Djokovic (not everyone agrees)if peak grass Murray and A014 Stan (and so on) all played at the same time, yeah, maybe. But that's not realistic
The point is that post 2018 Novak is playing at a very very high level. The fact that it's not peak Novak is not really relevant. This is a much more focused Novak, mentally stronger, that has lost some tools but also gained others.
Tennis pros and coaches have been saying this for a while. Only in TTW do you find people claiming he's really not that good and lonely wins because the competition sucks
I think the predominant aspect here is mentality. I don’t think the guys who I think could be favourites against post 2018 Djoko (prime Delpo, Stan, Murray, Hewitt, Roddick) would necessarily crush the current field, they are not exactly way better players, but I think they wouldn’t crumble as much in front of Novak. It’d be more like they’d have similar outcomes versus Djokovic as they’d have against say Sinner.So basically any of those guys would be 12 slams richer, multiple YE#1s, 100+ weeks at number won if they were in Novaks position? Is this the stance you are taking?
Novak "Lebronovic".He’s load managing.
Thanks for rhus post as I needed a good laugh .None of Djokovic's slams count this year, thanks to the weak level of this tour.
That's why stats will never make you GOAT, Margaret Court is another example.
Hewitt probably still wouldn’t have a great chance but in particular with Wawrinka this is true he has nearly every tool to trouble Djokovic and he can keep it up for most of 4 hours if need beI think the predominant aspect here is mentality. I don’t think the guys who I think could be favourites against post 2018 Djoko (prime Delpo, Stan, Murray, Hewitt, Roddick) would necessarily crush the current field, they are not exactly way better players, but I think they wouldn’t crumble as much in front of Novak. It’d be more like they’d have similar outcomes versus Djokovic as they’d have against say Sinner.
TOTAL NONSENSE, OR WISHFUL THINKINGNone of Djokovic's slams count this year, thanks to the weak level of this tour.
That's why stats will never make you GOAT, Margaret Court is another example.
Lol.The only player capable of beating Djokovic is old and washed up - Wawrinka
The rest push the ball around and wonder why Novak get it's back. Including Alcaraz.
Wishful thinking like the other posts just more fancier words. Whatever the situation would have been Novak would have grown with that tempo and adjusted accordingly.Given the ludicrously slow & homogenised contemporary default courts and balls and the curse of poly that have stifled attacking play and reduced tennis to a hybrid of squash where glorified pushing reigns supreme, and the relative difficulty of past achievements has been rendered moot, it’s hard to make meaningful comparisons. Novak is playing remarkably well for his age, but in halcyon days of yore a player of his dotage would have struggled against specialised conditions/surfaces players competing in their preferred elements.
He’d have the CYGS if he didn’t miss an overhead lolJoker has turned into art the ability to adapt to other player styles in matches.
Also he has matured as a player with a full arsenal of strokes (ex overhead lol ). Combined with a healthy body and focused winner mentality we are seeing him at his peak in recent years I think.
Finally his point construction is just beautiful to watch.
Well had he won Wimby, there’s no telling how the pressure of CYGS could have ended up at USO, plus don’t forget that seeding and draw…he would have had another shot but can’t say for sure he would have convertedHe’d have the CYGS if he didn’t miss an overhead lol
When is this going to end?Yes
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Lol I didn't know that. I call him novak human wallovic. Didn't know he literally considers himself a wall LOLKeep the ball in for one extra shot works against almost everyone. Watch Rublev Djokovic match from semis, just 2 days back.
Rublev was the better player for most of the match, but was completely frustrated as the ball kept coming back.
It's Djokovic's words - the best tennis player is a wall, it never misses. Following the philosophy to core helps Djokovic play so good.
Lol.
Alcaraz barely won in 5 at Wimbledon and so far this season Djokovic has cruised to every title win.Lol.
I meant in the past he could, not anymore.Lol.
Yep, self-confessed pusher.Keep the ball in for one extra shot works against almost everyone. Watch Rublev Djokovic match from semis, just 2 days back.
Rublev was the better player for most of the match, but was completely frustrated as the ball kept coming back.
It's Djokovic's words - the best tennis player is a wall, it never misses. Following the philosophy to core helps Djokovic play so good.
Yep, self-confessed pusher.
How many times has the RG/Paris double happened gotta imagine it's pretty rare. I know Djokovic also did it in 2021. Any others?
But it takes higher level aggressive shotmaking skills to pull off a Federer style than relying on being a grind machine human wallovicIt's a game to hit back the ball in the court anyways.
Or else you can always play cricket and hit the ball out of the park
I think this is true and I hope Nole demolishes the field this year. Let there be no doubts.
I wonder how they measure it
Is there a forehand version of this? We already knew djokovic backhand is league of its own
What the hell.Is there a forehand version of this? We already knew djokovic backhand is league of its own
It shows bothIs there a forehand version of this? We already knew djokovic backhand is league of its own
Oh lol I only noticed it saying backhand on the leftIt shows both
One thing I'll give Djokovic credit for is he's clearly the best ever at letting the opponent defeat themselves lol... For example that Shapo grand slam match (2021?) he was outplayed every set until the most important points then wins those to take the set. Or even vs Federer wimbledon 2019 just letting him miss and beat himself like 1st set tiebreakNot really, but as long as he is able to pull off the kind of game what needs to be played for his opponent to lose (or self-defeat themselves) he'll keep winning.
Well it’s a part of the game. You Fedal fans don’t see it though. A big part of the game is also winning not at your best or winning tight matches. Being able to adjust tactics and stay mentally strong when the match isn’t going your way.One thing I'll give Djokovic credit for is he's clearly the best ever at letting the opponent defeat themselves lol... For example that Shapo grand slam match (2021?) he was outplayed every set until the most important points then wins those to take the set. Or even vs Federer wimbledon 2019 just letting him miss and beat himself like 1st set tiebreak
Yea I know that, thats a large part of why he wins the most matches... but as a fan thats not nearly as interesting as hitting amazing shots to win. I don't care about just winning thru sheer mental strength or whateverWell it’s a part of the game. You Fedal fans don’t see it though. A big part of the game is also winning not at your best or winning tight matches. Being able to adjust tactics and stay mentally strong when the match isn’t going your way.
This is where Djokovic excels above Fedal. He can fight through matches much better. Whereas when Fed had an off day he was in bigger danger of losing,
Fair enough. I can understand if it’s not your cup of tea or you don’t find it interesting. Respect though as at least you give him respect for winning these type of matches.Yea I know that, thats a large part of why he wins the most matches... but as a fan thats not nearly as interesting as hitting amazing shots to win. I don't care about just winning thru sheer mental strength or whatever
Lol, almost choked laughingRoddick Murray Hewitt Wawrinka to some
Its not that he trains better its that he siphons energy from pyramids!! Its the legal alternative to performance enhancing drugs. He gets performance enhancing energy instead.Djoker is clearly still at a ridiculous level; even today. He's the best in the world. And my theory is that he trains better than anybody that I've seen in recent years. I can't prove it. But his results as an old player tell me that his dedication to training is incredibly rare. The guy looks like a cyborg. He's chiseled. He looks perfect for the sport. He's the perfect height and weight to be able to play 16+ years at near-peak level, which is why he has shattered nearly all of the longevity records(records of excellence; not merely playing).
But look how low Alcaraz is on the graph doesn't make sense, if he was so inferior he wouldn't have defeated Djokovic in wimbledon, pushed him to the brink at cincinnatti etc. and rivaling him for year end #1A poster posts stats that Djokovic has by far the highest ATP shot quality on FH and BH this year a,ingest the top 8:far above the tour average. The next two posters then totally ignore this and say that Djokovic does whatever it takes to win or just outlasts his opponents.
TTW, never change!