Is Nadal playing Paris to protect Federer’s #1?

USO

Professional
No he wouldn't based on the ATP release:

In anticipation of a return to competition in August, the Rankings, which traditionally operate on a "Best 18" results basis over 52 weeks, will now cover a period of 22 months (March 2019 – December 2020).

This makes it sounds like points will begin to drop in January 2021.

Yes Nadal can in theory gain a bigger + with Paris/Vienna but it's not really likely.
Thanks. I trust in Nadal, he will find a way to save Fedal.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
It's not true:

In 2021, points will drop based on their standard scheduled drop date when the Tour-level event is played.

In anticipation of a return to competition in August, the Rankings, which traditionally operate on a "Best 18" results basis over 52 weeks, will now cover a period of 22 months (March 2019 – December 2020).
That site hasn't been updated since August 19th. It's possible it's out of date.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Except at RG or when lady line judges get in the way? ;)
Murray has the same number of Wimbledon titles as Nadal (Nadal never beat Djoko to win a title however) and only one fewer AO title but his finals makes up for it. And he has won YECs.

Just sayin'. Sorry for my english btw.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I'm sure Nadal gives an effing eff what a bunch of irrelevant scrubs think!
Meanwhile look at that yacht! If more guys went out and practiced tennis or any sport instead of talking sh*t on this forum, maybe they could enjoy an ounce of his success.

Exactly lol. Dude is literally coming out with a half documentary while barefoot on a 80 foot yacht, and just tied for most slams in history, and people on here are so up in arms over trivial mess. :laughing:
 
I'd expect this conspiracy theory only from Djokofanatics. The hardcore ones.

Absolute nonsense, of course. In the midst of Corona, Nadal has nothing better to do than PROTECT RF's records??? Because they're "friends"???

No, they ain't. They are FRIENDLY. There's a big difference.

Regardless of the Plague, he could care less. He is playing Paris for his own perceived benefit...

As someone said, what Disneyland version of the tennis tour is this.

Or are you trolling?
 
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DSH

Legend
Djokovic is currently +1890.

Nadal is not a shoe-in to win Paris nor Djokovic to win Vienna. Both will have genuine competition. But presuming they both win these tourneys, Nadal will be +720 and Djokovic +500, reducing the gap to 1670 heading into WTF.

So realistically, Nadal can only take back #1 if he outperforms Djokovic at AO 2021.

If the gap is ~1500 headed into AO 2021, Nadal will re-take #1 by reaching the SF (+360) and with a Djokovic SF loss to Thiem (-1280)
Is it true that even if Djokovic does not win the AO, he will still keep the 2000 champion points?
:unsure:
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
No offense to Rafa fans but I don't wish to see him perform well the rest of the year. He's got his 20th slam which is an incredible achievement, tying Federer at the top and I hope he's happy with it. I want Djokovic to get the weeks at No. 1 record! :)
 

weakera

Legend
No offense to Rafa fans but I don't wish to see him perform well the rest of the year. He's got his 20th slam which is an incredible achievement, tying Federer at the top and I hope he's happy with it. I want Djokovic to get the weeks at No. 1 record! :)
I'm just happy he's playing. Really don't care about the result ultimately. But it is fair to speculate as to potential scenarios.
 
I love how these Fed fans have all now jumped on the “Fedal” train and trying to make it seem as if all of Rafa’s achievements are somehow shared with or is for Fed...cant look more needy and groveling trying to suck up with Fed’s so called biggest rival who literally made Fed cry by eating him over and over....karma I say lol
Yet this topic was created by a Nadal fan who hates Djokovic. I haven’t seen a single Federer fan bandwagon onto Fedal.
 
Is it true that even if Djokovic does not win the AO, he will still keep the 2000 champion points?
:unsure:
You’d hope not. It would be a complete farce if he did, 4000 free points from slams not won, compared to only 2000 for Nadal. * would go on the record if only edged past this way.
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
You’d hope not. It would be a complete farce if he did, 4000 free points from slams not won, compared to only 2000 for Nadal. * would go on the record if only edged past this way.
Not really. If not for the cancellations, Djokovic would have secured the record the proper way anyway, so it doesn't matter.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray has the same number of Wimbledon titles as Nadal (Nadal never beat Djoko to win a title however) and only one fewer AO title but his finals makes up for it. And he has won YECs.

Just sayin'. Sorry for my english btw.
Your English is fine (at least as far as I'm concerned). :)
 
This is an interesting excerpt from the ATP points FAQs which relates Djokovic playing in Vienna:

If a player competes at an event in 2020 that he did not contest in 2019, points earned at that event must exceed the points of his lowest countable result to displace that lowest countable result from his ‘Best of Other Countable’ total.

So what constitutes Djokovic's lowest countable result? Is it the 0 points he received from the USO DQ? Or does it replace his lowest point total from 2019 (after 16 March) which would be the 90 points he earned from Miami in 2019 (assuming he earns more than 90 points in Vienna)?
 

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
I have to say I’m surprised that Nadal will be playing in Paris. I wonder if the reason is that he wants to gain some points and protect Federer’s weeks at no.1 record? I’m pretty sure it’s impossible for this year but maybe it will be enough to be no.1 early next year before 310? Fedal have a very solid friendship so I wouldn’t be surprised.

Notice how Djokovic is always trying to get attention but Fedal are not really paying attention to him.



Pulls up 3 photos with the 3 of them

Conclusion: FEDERER NADAL GOAT DJOKOVIC ATTENTION SEEKER
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I have to say I’m surprised that Nadal will be playing in Paris. I wonder if the reason is that he wants to gain some points and protect Federer’s weeks at no.1 record? I’m pretty sure it’s impossible for this year but maybe it will be enough to be no.1 early next year before 310? Fedal have a very solid friendship so I wouldn’t be surprised.

Notice how Djokovic is always trying to get attention but Fedal are not really paying attention to him.




 

pasta

Rookie
Nadal is playing in Paris for $$$$ ...

Djokovic is playing in Vienna for points ...

Either way - it does not matter in grand GOAT discussion ...
 
I think Nadal's goal in order of priority are:

1. Win AO and achieve the Double Career Slam and 21st Slam, stand alone record
2. Win a 14th RG, tying Sampras GS haul of 14
3. Win USO for the 5th time thereby tying Connors, Sampras and Federer
4. Win Paris, Miami and WTF. He can win 2 this year.
5. Winning more Masters titles. It is a race with Novak.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Let's get this straight, the reasons he's playing are as follows:

competitive match play - can't go 7 months no tennis then play 2 tournaments then take another 5 months off heading in to AO
ranking - not #1, he would be well aware that Thiem can get quite a few points here and wouldn't want to go to AO as #3 seed
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
Let's get this straight, the reasons he's playing are as follows:

competitive match play - can't go 7 months no tennis then play 2 tournaments then take another 5 months off heading in to AO
ranking - not #1, he would be well aware that Thiem can get quite a few points here and wouldn't want to go to AO as #3 seed
indeed, playing tennis is, generally, good if you are a tennis player. and staying #2 matters for him at the ao. this isn't rocket surgery
 

demrle

Professional
The only reason he is playing is to prevent Thiem from taking the 2 seed, which affects draw matchups pre-Final significantly.
In all honesty, this makes so much sense, that I am ashamed that I didn't get it on my own. Thiem is currently 725 points behind Nadal while having an opportunity to add 910 points in Paris. I'm pretty sure Nadal is not crazy about the possibility of having to play Djokovic in the semis at the AO. Not that he has no chance of beating Djokovic there, but I still think he would rather see him in the finals.
 

demrle

Professional
War is over Fedal united
That war has been over for over a decade now. After being mercilessly beaten into submission by Nadal over several years, Federer hooked his wagon to Nadal's locomotive, all according to the motto "if you cant beat 'em, join 'em", in order not to be left behind or at the very least become a clear second fiddle.
 

demrle

Professional
Thanks. I trust in Nadal, he will find a way to save Fedal.
Yet this topic was created by a Nadal fan who hates Djokovic. I haven’t seen a single Federer fan bandwagon onto Fedal.
It was Federer fans who created the Fedal in the first place, after it became clear it was Fedal or bust. But even so it wouldn't have worked, had it not been for Djokovic. Djokovic saved the bacon for Federer somewhat, by halting Nadal's momentum. Had it only been down to Federer to fight Nadal OTOH...
 
It was Federer fans who created the Fedal in the first place, after it became clear it was Fedal or bust. But even so it wouldn't have worked, had it not been for Djokovic. Djokovic saved the bacon for Federer somewhat, by halting Nadal's momentum. Had it only been down to Federer to fight Nadal OTOH...
You mean the media?

And if Djokovic didn’t exist, Federer would have 9-10 Australian opens, 11 Wimbledons, 6-7 US opens, and over 400 weeks at number 1. He’s probably cost Federer the slam record.
 
That war has been over for over a decade now. After being mercilessly beaten into submission by Nadal over several years, Federer hooked his wagon to Nadal's locomotive, all according to the motto "if you cant beat 'em, join 'em", in order not to be left behind or at the very least become a clear second fiddle.
Federer doesn’t need to do anything to remain the best of all time, no matter how many clay slams Nadal piles up:
 

demrle

Professional
Supposition, but not fact. The cancellations and ludicrous 2020 point system have all but handed him the record on a silver platter. ATP messed up.
Actually, it's completely the other way round. Had there been no pandemic or had the rankings not been frozen, Djokovic would have beaten the record already. At the very least you can consider it all to be a wash and be happy to be able to enjoy the record fro few more months. But we all know that Djokovic beating it is nothing more than a technicality by now.
 

BackhandDTL

Hall of Fame
Federer doesn’t need to do anything to remain the best of all time, no matter how many clay slams Nadal piles up:
Fed collected slams against guys like Baghdatis, Philippousis, Gonzalez.

be real. Federer can be the GBAPBOAT, greatest Baghdatis and Philippousis beater of all time.

Leave the goat debate to Djokodal.
 

demrle

Professional
You mean the media?
Well, the media is a subset of Federer fans, but yeah, if you want to get technical...

And if Djokovic didn’t exist, Federer would have 9-10 Australian opens, 11 Wimbledons, 6-7 US opens, and over 400 weeks at number 1. He’s probably cost Federer the slam record.
No he wouldn't. That is too simplified of a view. The truth is, had it not been for Djokovic, Nadal would have CONTINUED to starkly dominate Federer. There wouldn't have been any senseful discussion about who of the two was better and Federer would not be playing this late in his career, as him catching Nadal and fighting for the GOAT status would have been a lost cause.
 

demrle

Professional
I have to say I’m surprised that Nadal will be playing in Paris. I wonder if the reason is that he wants to gain some points and protect Federer’s weeks at no.1 record? I’m pretty sure it’s impossible for this year but maybe it will be enough to be no.1 early next year before 310? Fedal have a very solid friendship so I wouldn’t be surprised.

Notice how Djokovic is always trying to get attention but Fedal are not really paying attention to him.



Apart from the OP's main point being ludicrous to the extent of being called out for trolling, notice how malevolent the OP is, when it comes to Djokovic's attention-seeking part. In the third photo, Nadal and Djokovic are obviously engaged in a conversation, and a joyful one at that.
 
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