Is Novak Djokovic one of the worst ATG at the net?

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Plamen1234 said:
Yeah it was from today match.BTW I watched some highlights from 2016 Madrid Masters when he played with Nishikori in Madrid and there is big difference with today.Like it is not the same player.You could say the same about Nishikori also
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Its a secret but I think ttw has the right to know whats happening to their tennis players!!!

Some great players like Djokovic, Nishikori, Murray (who is so embarassed with how bad he is that he came up with the old injury excuse) are not themselves, because they are not!!

Aliens are at fault.

Little aliens stole the talent of some of the best tennis players!!!

Just like in space jam, the movie, but this time they went for tennis players!

And now looney toons are fighting to get it back with the help of the best player in history.

Thats why Roger doesn't play Clay, he is helping bugs bunny like jordan did so many years ago!

Lets hope our cartoon heroes with Roger as their leader are victorious!
 
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Plamen1234 said:
Yeah it was from today match.BTW I watched some highlights from 2016 Madrid Masters when he played with Nishikori in Madrid and there is big difference with today.Like it is not the same player.You could say the same about Nishikori also
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I get that feeling with every old match I watch after seeing him now. There’s something very off about how he hits the ball. Don’t see him coming back to his old level soon..
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Agassi was pretty bad, but he was Edberg/Mac/Boris at the net compared to the volleys of Novak. Wilander managed to volley remarkably well in his USO versus Ivan.

But what does it matter? He bagged 12 slams with no overhead and no volley, but Fed or Rafa never could capitalize on these glaring weaknesses.
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Because even tho Nole doesn't have a good net game, he still has one and when he's up at net, he's there to finish a point. And he almost always does. Give Nole 100 overheads, he'll make 99% of those in
 
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BrokenGears said:
Because even tho Nole doesn't have a good net game, he still has one and when he's up at net, he's there to finish a point. And he almost always does. Give Nole 100 overheads, he'll make 99% of those in
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I’m pretty sure that’s not true.

The reason Novak is able to get away with it is because a net game doesn’t matter much anymore.

To be fair to Novak, if a net game actually mattered in tennis, I’d bet he’d practice it much more than he does now and actually become at least above average at it.

The reality is that Novak’s team knows the net games doesn’t really matter in tennis today, so they don’t spend too much time worrying about it. Which is why he doesn’t have the confidence with it that he has everywhere else in his game.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Agassi was pretty bad, but he was Edberg/Mac/Boris at the net compared to the volleys of Novak. Wilander managed to volley remarkably well in his USO versus Ivan.

But what does it matter? He bagged 12 slams with no overhead and no volley, but Fed or Rafa never could capitalize on these glaring weaknesses.
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Fedal should have tried to only lob him. That would have worked.
 
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He's definitely not a natural net player. Worst ever? Not sure about that. 2014-2015 Djokovic was pretty great at the net. Becker helped him hugely in that department.

Also the overhead thing is overstated. He's missed like 3 overheads in his career on important points and suddenly it's his worst shot.
 
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No.

Actually one of the worst professional tennis player at the net. Even worse some amateurs like me.
 
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ParrotOnStrings said:
it's called "aging", maybe you heard of it.
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Aging is a gradual process. His changes in form and technique (for the worse) have been sudden. This is mostly due to loss of confidence, loss of match rhythm and injuries. Of course you can attribute that to age but as players of all ages get injured, I don’t think that would be fair.
 
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papertank said:
He's definitely not a natural net player. Worst ever? Not sure about that. 2014-2015 Djokovic was pretty great at the net. Becker helped him hugely in that department.

Also the overhead thing is overstated. He's missed like 3 overheads in his career on important points and suddenly it's his worst shot.
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Good post. People are analyzing too much on this overhead miss. Relax
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Agassi was pretty bad, but he was Edberg/Mac/Boris at the net compared to the volleys of Novak. Wilander managed to volley remarkably well in his USO versus Ivan.

But what does it matter? He bagged 12 slams with no overhead and no volley, but Fed or Rafa never could capitalize on these glaring weaknesses.
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Agassi had a very good overhead and was competent at net really (especially the swinging volley) - much like Djokovic minus the overhead. Back with Becker Djokovic was pretty effective at the net, though he mostly went up there just to finish. I don't think he'd get very far playing lots of S&V though :D
 
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dr325i said:
his NET game is not bad.
His overheads are his worst shot
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True! That overhead was basically a fluke, in that it was too easy, and he did not take it seriously. Whatever, he did recover and played very well after that disaster. It just goes to show even the great ones can look bad, sometimes.
 
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thrust said:
True! That overhead was basically a fluke, in that it was too easy, and he did not take it seriously. Whatever, he did recover and played very well after that disaster. It just goes to show even the great ones can look bad, sometimes.
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It wasn't a fluke, his overhead is always bad. Common knowledge.
 
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Q: Is Novak Djokovic one of the worst ATG at the net?

A: Not one of the worst. He is the worst ATG at the net.

 
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well known to have a relatively weak overhead for an atp pro. his volley is now adequate after years of practice. Djoko isn't a natural attacker but he is sound now. he wasn't that good at net for first half of his career. he isn't as good as Nadal at net and not in the same class as Federer at net.
 
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Bender said:
I was told Djokovic was the most complete player, perhaps ever no?
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Looking at Djokovic and his career, and how he has coped with all the conditions, he has rightful claims of being the most complete player ever.

Best player on HC (No explanation needed)
Best on clay (atleast two or more titles at all clay masters, 1 RG, best clay court player between 2015-16)
Best on grass (won two consecutive Wimbledon titles)
Best on Indoor HC (Four YECs in a row, three Paris master in a row))

Last but not least, holder of all the four slams at once on HC, clay and grass + the most prestigious event after the slams - YECs on indoor conditions.

A terrible overhead shot there won't change Djokovics ability to adjust and Carry over his game to other conditions to be the best player on all surfaces and conditions in consecutive years. No player has been this kind of a force everywhere.
 
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Bender said:
I was told Djokovic was the most complete player, perhaps ever no?
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Its a weird title. In his few peak years he is an unbelievably complete BASELINE PLAYER and reps the modern game fantastically. However even his baseline game isnt as complete as say federer who has far more shots and options and obviously whole game federer is immeasurably more complete. Even nadal has a solid almost complete game (obviously does have some big holes and wild inconsistentcy but when on, which is where he struggles, it is fairly complete-ish)
 
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RF-18 said:
Looking at Djokovic and his career, and how he has coped with all the conditions, he has rightful claims of being the most complete player ever.

Best player on HC (No explanation needed)
Best on clay (atleast two or more titles at all clay masters, 1 RG, best clay court player between 2015-16)
Best on grass (won two consecutive Wimbledon titles)
Best on Indoor HC (Four YECs in a row, three Paris master in a row))

Last but not least, holder of all the four slams at once on HC, clay and grass + the most prestigious event after the slams - YECs on indoor conditions.

A terrible overhead shot there won't change Djokovics ability to adjust and Carry over his game to other conditions to be the best player on all surfaces and conditions in consecutive years. No player has been this kind of a force everywhere.
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No he doesn't have any claims to the most complete player whatsoever. Complete means you have all the skillset. Novak doesn't.
 
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Sum Buddy Ells said:
To be fair, he may still be traumatized by what this guy did a decade ago:

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you mean the guy that smashed the racket (as rare as Novak's successful overhead) because Novak was toying with him?
The guy that had a full (NY) stadium cheer for him for hours and then got embarrassed in the end?
The guy that swept 6 rounds of Wimby then hit the wall?
The guy in a sweater that magically got "sick" in London after battling Wava for hours, then celebrated a DC victory less than a week later?

I see...really traumatized. Poor Novak ;)
 
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dr325i said:
you mean the guy that smashed the racket (as rare as Novak's successful overhead) because Novak was toying with him?
The guy that had a full (NY) stadium cheer for him for hours and then got embarrassed in the end?
The guy that swept 6 rounds of Wimby then hit the wall?
The guy in a sweater that magically got "sick" in London after battling Wava for hours, then celebrated a DC victory less than a week later?

I see...really traumatized. Poor Novak ;)
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Who are you and who is Novak?
 
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