Is Sinner the best 22 year old since the big three?

[ActualTennisPlayer]

Hey man sinner is a great player but you dont doin him any favours making false statements like that, also fed played all court Game, sinner is still a novice at the net and touch shots

Fed played all court but yannick is all surfaces. Fed didn’t excel at RG until 2005

 

[dking68]

Hey man sinner is a great player but you dont doin him any favours making false statements like that, also fed played all court Game, sinner is still a novice at the net and touch shots

Yes but without a doubt Sinner had a better backhand and returns

 

[TheSlicer]

Fed played all court but yannick is all surfaces. Fed didn’t excel at RG until 2005

has sinner exceled at RG? i missed that

 

[dking68]

has sinner exceled at RG? i missed that

He made RG QF days after turning 19. I expect a better result at this upcoming RG

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

He made RG QF days after turning 19. I expect a better result at this upcoming RG

I love the new Avi!

 

[dking68]

I love the new Avi!

He won me 1600 USD man. Ofc

 

[Halfdan]

Sinner’s progression the past 6-12 months has been amazing.
The mental strength especially he showed both against Djokovic and today after being down two sets down was seriously impressive.
Definite characteristics of a champion.

 

[dking68]

Sinner’s progression the past 6-12 months has been amazing.
The mental strength especially he showed both against Djokovic and today after being down two sets down was seriously impressive.
Definite characteristics of a champion.

He’s on the right track to being an ATG. Agassi won his first slam at this same age

 

[ActualTennisPlayer]

has sinner exceled at RG? i missed that

He still has this RG to proof himself and I am confident that he will.
Besides that he has the excuse to play clay GOAT Nadal twice and being injured another time. What’s Feds excuse?

 

[dking68]

He still has this RG to proof himself and I am confident that he will.
Besides that he has the excuse to play clay GOAT Nadal twice and being injured another time. What’s Feds excuse?

Fed lost to Kuerten in 04 I think

 

[FeroBango]

Forehand equally efective as fed 2004? Lol i can tell you didnt watch tennis at that time!

We have TTW's own best forehand ever going on as we speak. Wilander who?

 

[dking68]

@NeutralFan @Kralingen @Subway Tennis @nolefam_2024 do you think Sinner has a chance at double digits?

 

[TheSlicer]

He still has this RG to proof himself and I am confident that he will.
Besides that he has the excuse to play clay GOAT Nadal twice and being injured another time. What’s Feds excuse?

feds excuse is that there were still many clay court specialists at that time, but im not really trying to excuse him, excuses dont matter, i was just saying their playstyles are nothing alike, i really dont like to compare eras, but he reminds me more of djokovic than fed, just gamestyle wise

 

[dking68]

feds excuse is that there were still many clay court specialists at that time, but im not really trying to excuse him, excuses dont matter, i was just saying their playstyles are nothing alike, i really dont like to compare eras, but he reminds me more of djokovic than fed, just gamestyle wise

He has a better serve and forehand than Nole at the same age. Nole had a better backhand. Sinner had better returns at this age

 

[crimson87]

Career inflation era titan and former world number one chocking like that? Tennis is as done as the NBA

 

[NeutralFan]

@NeutralFan @Kralingen @Subway Tennis @nolefam_2024 do you think Sinner has a chance at double digits?

Yes son, he just needs to work on his serve , movement and passing shots. As i said he's set to dominate the tour once he hits the prime and now he's in his prime.

 

[ActualTennisPlayer]

feds excuse is that there were still many clay court specialists at that time, but im not really trying to excuse him, excuses dont matter, i was just saying their playstyles are nothing alike, i really dont like to compare eras, but he reminds me more of djokovic than fed, just gamestyle wise

Oh yer I agree with you in terms of playstyle. Not Federer.

 

[TheSlicer]

He has a better serve and forehand than Nole at the same age. Nole had a better backhand. Sinner had better returns at this age

all that is so difficult to tell to me honestly, i will just say he has more offensive weapons, his movement is worse, he has the potential to have a more varied game, this season can be key for everybody, lets see

 

[ActualTennisPlayer]

Fed lost to Kuerten in 04 I think

True that kuerten then lost in the QF to Nalbandian who then lost to gaudio.

 

[Omega_7000]

Is there a hell no option.

 

[dking68]

Is there a hell no option.

How so?

 

[nolefam_2024]

@NeutralFan @Kralingen @Subway Tennis @nolefam_2024 do you think Sinner has a chance at double digits?

At age 22 he has already started.

But having chance is different than making it. We will see.

 

[martinezownsclay]

Federer had better serve, Sinner had better returns and backhand

Forehand equally effective

Prime Federer would lose at most 1 of 10 matches to a way past his prime, mid to late 30s Djokovic that Sinner has been losing almost every match too, most times going down like an overmatched kitten.

 

[sportsfan1]

Getting Darren Cahill as coach has clicked wonderfully for sinner. They have improved his serve and mindset so fast, and figured out ways to dominate opponents he was losing easily to earlier.
His game looks very dominant across serve, return and off both sides on the baseline. They will work on the front court game as well. He's well setup for a period of domination.

The tour has challenging work to do to figure out counter strategies. Alcaraz better start doing something quickly to stop sinner running away, perhaps an addition to his coaching team.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Way better than Murray. Murray never won a slam until age 25. Sinner probably has like 4/5 at that age

Murray would have won many slams if it hadn't been for the big 3. He was not far behind them, but they mostly managed to keep him out. I'm not sure I'm ready to put Sinner into his category quite yet.

He reached the USO final in 2008 but came up against Fed close to the height of his powers.

 

[TheSlicer]

he is definety in the conversation of greatest gingermen of all time, at such a young age!

 

[dking68]

Murray would have won many slams if it hadn't been for the big 3. He was not far behind them, but they mostly managed to keep him out. I'm not sure I'm ready to put Sinner into his category quite yet.

He reached the USO final in 2008 but came up against Fed close to the height of his powers.

Sinner is an AO champ. Murray isn’t.

 

[TheSlicer]

Sinner is an AO champ. Murray isn’t.

only AO counts? xD

 

[dking68]

only AO counts? xD

Sinner is a slam winner at 22, the average age ATGs win a slam

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Sinner is an AO champ. Murray isn’t.

Sure. And he will likely be more successful than Andy. But do you think Sinner would have won those AO finals that Murray lost? He may be an ATG, let's see.

All I'm saying is that Murray came up in what was perhaps the most competitive era ever, with Fed and Nadal at their peak and Djokovic breaking through along him. Results don't say everything. Let Sinner reach 9 GS finals (I'm not saying he won't) and we'll take again.

I watched Murray come up the ranks at that time, and I think he does not get enough respect for what he achieved. To say that I am not sure Sinner is better (at 22) than Murray is not meant as disrespect to him! I was very impressed with his win and particularly the way he came back today.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sure. And he will likely be more successful than Andy. But do you think Sinner would have won those AO finals that Murray lost? He may be an ATG, let's see.

All I'm saying is that Murray came up in what was perhaps the most competitive era ever, with Fed and Nadal at their peak and Djokovic breaking through along him. Results don't say everything. Let Sinner reach 9 GS finals (I'm not saying he won't) and we'll take again.

I watched Murray come up the ranks at that time, and I think he does not get enough respect for what he achieved. To say that I am not sure Sinner is better (at 22) than Murray is not meant as disrespect to him! I was very impressed with his win and particularly the way he came back today.

Yes

I think so. Murray lacks the attacking game. It's that sad.

 

[TheSlicer]

Sinner is a slam winner at 22, the average age ATGs win a slam

sure, i wasnt denying that

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Yes

I think so. Murray lacks the attacking game. It's that sad.

It's true that Murray's overly defensive attitude could be quite frustrating at times. But I don't believe Sinner would have won that 2008 USO final against Fed. To be fair, I'm not sure anyone would have ...

 

[dking68]

Yes

I think so. Murray lacks the attacking game. It's that sad.

Sinner is going to be a big champion. I would not be surprised if he wins #2 this year

 

[dking68]

Sure. And he will likely be more successful than Andy. But do you think Sinner would have won those AO finals that Murray lost? He may be an ATG, let's see.

All I'm saying is that Murray came up in what was perhaps the most competitive era ever, with Fed and Nadal at their peak and Djokovic breaking through along him. Results don't say everything. Let Sinner reach 9 GS finals (I'm not saying he won't) and we'll take again.

I watched Murray come up the ranks at that time, and I think he does not get enough respect for what he achieved. To say that I am not sure Sinner is better (at 22) than Murray is not meant as disrespect to him! I was very impressed with his win and particularly the way he came back today.

And Sinner did what Murray could only dream of - Beating Novak at AO. He was miles ahead of him at this age

 

[Mainad]

Way better than Murray. Murray never won a slam until age 25. Sinner probably has like 4/5 at that age

He got a Slam, fair enough but WAY better? At the same age, 22 years,5 months, Murray had been in a Slam final, and won 4 Masters 1000 titles (beating Djokovic in 2 of them) and was briefly ranked #2. So sure, Sinner's Slam gives him the edge but certainly does not prove that he's WAY better!

 

[dking68]

He got a Slam, fair enough but WAY better? At the same age, 22 years,5 months, Murray had been in a Slam final, and won 4 Masters 1000 titles (beating Djokovic in 2 of them) and was briefly ranked #2. So sure, Sinner's Slam gives him the edge but certainly does not prove that he's WAY better!

A slam is bigger than 4 masters titles. And you’ll see by the end of this year, he’ll catch him up in that regard as well.

 

[Mainad]

And Sinner did what Murray could only dream of - Beating Novak at AO. He was miles ahead of him at this age

Lol....and so the hype begins!!

 

[dking68]

He got a Slam, fair enough but WAY better? At the same age, 22 years,5 months, Murray had been in a Slam final, and won 4 Masters 1000 titles (beating Djokovic in 2 of them) and was briefly ranked #2. So sure, Sinner's Slam gives him the edge but certainly does not prove that he's WAY better!

Federer had 2 slams, ATP finals and a single Masters title at that age. Look who had the vastly better career?

 

[Mainad]

A slam is bigger than 4 masters titles. And you’ll see by the end of this year, he’ll catch him up in that regard as well.

Well a Slam carries 2,000 ranking points which is the same as 2 Masters and let's wait and see if he catches him up first!

 

[Mainad]

Federer had 2 slams, ATP finals and a single Masters title at that age. Look who had the vastly better career?

No arguments about Federer but you are trying to argue that he's already WAY better than Murray for scraping through his maiden Slam!

 

[dking68]

No arguments about Federer but you are trying to argue that he's already WAY better than Murray for scraping through his maiden Slam!

He is better than him, and you’ll see by the end of this year. Do not be surprised if Sinner reaches the #1 rank and wins slam #2 this year.

 

[Mainad]

He is better than him, and you’ll see by the end of this year. Do not be surprised if Sinner reaches the #1 rank and wins slam #2 this year.

Well, I'll look forward to seeing it but, until then..........!

 

[dking68]

No arguments about Federer but you are trying to argue that he's already WAY better than Murray for scraping through his maiden Slam!

Poor choice of words friend. Novak didn’t generate a single break point against Sinner, yet Murray was beaten convincingly at every AO except perhaps AO 2012. Sinner at 22 could die today and say he was a slam champion, Murray couldn’t say the same

 

[mike danny]

Well, I'll look forward to seeing it but, until then..........!

Expect more of these kinds of posts after the Big 3 retire and more people get to Murray's slam count.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I think he could be the very best player to ever play the game, Gary, and I don't just say that because of his poster on my bedroom wall.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Lol he wishes he could sniff a quarterfinal in 2008

 

[dking68]

Expect more of these kinds of posts after the Big 3 retire and more people get to Murray's slam count.

What’s his ceiling now? He’s clearly better than the 90s generation

 

[Mainad]

Poor choice of words friend. Novak didn’t generate a single break point against Sinner, yet Murray was beaten convincingly at every AO except perhaps AO 2012. Sinner at 22 could die today and say he was a slam champion, Murray couldn’t say the same

If Murray died today he could say he's a triple Slam champion, a WTF champion, a 2 times Olympic champion and a 14 times Masters champion and 9 of those titles were won against a Big 3 player.

 

[dking68]

If Murray died today he could say he's a triple Slam champion, a WTF champion, a 2 times Olympic champion and a 14 times Masters champion and 9 of those titles were won against a Big 3 player.

Murray 2010 vs Sinner 2024 then at the AO. Who wins and how many sets?