Jim Courier on Dimitrov's Stick

ShahofTennis

Hall of Fame
Ol' Jimmy mentioned during the match with Gulbis that Dimitrov is using Rogers old frame; The Prostaff 90. This is interesting because I was under the impression he picked up Rog's 93sq inch prototype. Maybe the new head size came with the new 18X17 string pattern?

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BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
As I've said before, Jim Courier is an excellent commentator, the best out there, and knows a heck of a lot about tennis and strategies, etc. However, he doesn't have acute knowledge of tennis equipment. I also heard him say that Dimitrov is using the same 90 sq. in. racquet that Federer used to use. He also said the same thing about Bautista-Agut two days ago, that he's using the same racquet that Federer used to use, which is clearly not the case as Bautista-Agut uses the Six-One 95. Either Courier doesn't know about paintjobs (which is impossible) or he's just helping Wilson do marketing by claiming that every Wilson sponsored pro is using a retail model.
 

danbrenner

Legend
As I've said before, Jim Courier is an excellent commentator, the best out there, and knows a heck of a lot about tennis and strategies, etc. However, he doesn't have acute knowledge of tennis equipment. I also heard him say that Dimitrov is using the same 90 sq. in. racquet that Federer used to use. He also said the same thing about Bautista-Agut two days ago, that he's using the same racquet that Federer used to use, which is clearly not the case as Bautista-Agut uses the Six-One 95. Either Courier doesn't know about paintjobs (which is impossible) or he's just helping Wilson do marketing by claiming that every Wilson sponsored pro is using a retail model.

I totally agree. I heard him spew up this same garbage. He just isn't a racquet head. Weird for him to be so unfashionably unaware of te modern frames.
 

OTMPut

Hall of Fame
It is incorrect to assume that pros are very knowledgeable when it comes to eqpt. Almost all the pros i have met at clubs sound naive (Fed frame, Nadal frame, Djokovic frame etc) and even less are knowledgeable about strings. May be they dont care.
Average TTer knows far more about eqpt. May be there is an inverse correlation between skill level and eqpt knowledge.
 

anubis

Hall of Fame
He might have even been paid to say that by Wilson, so that the 90 continues to be sold, even though Rogi isn't using it anymore.
 

YesTennis

Semi-Pro
Courier also said that Dimitrov needed to switch to a larger head size like Roger. I'm surprised someone hasn't already started a new thread about this. Here we go!
 

TheRed

Hall of Fame
Courier won his slams swinging a club (yeah pro staff original) strung with syngut.

He's no equipment freak.

That's not an indictment on him but reflective of most pros. Courier used syn gut not because he didn't care, but he specifically chose syn gut becuase he liked it more, taming his power. This was all before poly.
Pros tend to be very particular about their racquet and strings but only about how their gear applies to them, how it makes them play and how it feels to them. They don't care about the entire market like gear heads on this site. They find something that works and they stick to it. Courier is not much different.
 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
He might have even been paid to say that by Wilson, so that the 90 continues to be sold, even though Rogi isn't using it anymore.

This is a bit of a reach. I doubt very seriously Wilson is paying him to advertise a frame which they've begged Federer to leave.

That's not an indictment on him but reflective of most pros. Courier didn't use syn gut because he didn't care, he specifically chose syn gut becuase he liked it more, taming his power. This was all before poly.
Pros tend to be very particular about their racquet and strings but only about how their gear applies to them, how it makes them play and how it feels to them. They don't care about the entire market like gear heads on this site. They find something that works and they stick to it. Courier is not much different.

This is exactly right. I've heard Courier comment on his string choice. He said that he had tried gut and found it too powerful. He preferred the syn gut and used it because he liked the way it dampened the power. Like other pros, he was reticent to change a working combination since that was how he earned his living.
 

gambitt

Banned
I recall Courier's commentary on the Dimitrov vs Nole match at RG later year. His words were something to the effect of:

"Dimitrov has brought a knife to a gun fight. Djokovic has a modern racquet with much more power while Dimitrov is using a really old racquet from the 90's"
 

GoSurfBoy

Semi-Pro
I often hit with a guy who's best was around #150 ATP.

I asked if he like 18 mains better than 16, as he'd recently switched to a 16, and he asked me;

"What does that mean"?

I said; "18x20 string patterns, or the general 16x19 patterns".

Completely baffled, he'd never even known there was a difference.

I hit with a few ATP guys. They really don't know much about their frames.

They just play.
 

henryshli

Semi-Pro
Courrier called himself a racket geek when he quizzed Federer about his new racket in a post match interview. He came across as though he was really into his equipment
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
This is a bit of a reach. I doubt very seriously Wilson is paying him to advertise a frame which they've begged Federer to leave.
Another possibility is that he just doesn't know what some of these pros are using so he's just making his comments based upon what they look like. So since Dimitrov's and Bautista-Agut's racquets both use similar white and red paintjobs to Federer's old PS 90, he's just simply mistaken and think they are both using the same racquet that Federer's used to use.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
It is incorrect to assume that pros are very knowledgeable when it comes to eqpt. Almost all the pros i have met at clubs sound naive (Fed frame, Nadal frame, Djokovic frame etc) and even less are knowledgeable about strings. May be they dont care.
Average TTer knows far more about eqpt. May be there is an inverse correlation between skill level and eqpt knowledge.

This is correct. There a thread by the ATP Delray Beach stringers in the Strings area and it says "pros" brought in rackets with lead tape mismatched (for example: 2 grams at 3 o'c and 1 at 9 o'c) and didn't even realize it. In this example, it is likely a strip of tape feel off. Some pros are probably true equipment nerds but others just pick it up and play.
 

ls206

Hall of Fame
Courrier called himself a racket geek when he quizzed Federer about his new racket in a post match interview. He came across as though he was really into his equipment
Maybe he his. I reckon he's a member of these boards and is trolling everyone from the commentary booth. :twisted:
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Another possibility is that he just doesn't know what some of these pros are using so he's just making his comments based upon what they look like. So since Dimitrov's and Bautista-Agut's racquets both use similar white and red paintjobs to Federer's old PS 90, he's just simply mistaken and think they are both using the same racquet that Federer's used to use.

Come on now, these are the TW Boards! Where in your explanation is the conspiracy? the sinister urge? the backroom deal? the bait and swap?
 

gambitt

Banned
I often hit with a guy who's best was around #150 ATP.

I asked if he like 18 mains better than 16, as he'd recently switched to a 16, and he asked me;

"What does that mean"?

I said; "18x20 string patterns, or the general 16x19 patterns".

Completely baffled, he'd never even known there was a difference.

I hit with a few ATP guys. They really don't know much about their frames.

They just play.

I found the same. There's a coach at my club (30 year old) who plays some Futures level tournaments. Amazing player. He uses a Head Radical (18x20), he doesn't know the string (looks like poly) or the tension. He thought 18x20 gives you more spin. No lead tape, worn out grip. I feel a bit stupid when I turn up with my freshly strung Pro Staff 95 with lead tape while he runs me around the court with ruthless efficiency.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
It is incorrect to assume that pros are very knowledgeable when it comes to eqpt. Almost all the pros i have met at clubs sound naive (Fed frame, Nadal frame, Djokovic frame etc) and even less are knowledgeable about strings. May be they dont care.
Average TTer knows far more about eqpt. May be there is an inverse correlation between skill level and eqpt knowledge.

In that case I'm hoping I forget everything I know about tennis equipment.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
I often hit with a guy who's best was around #150 ATP.

I asked if he like 18 mains better than 16, as he'd recently switched to a 16, and he asked me;

"What does that mean"?

I said; "18x20 string patterns, or the general 16x19 patterns".

Completely baffled, he'd never even known there was a difference.

I hit with a few ATP guys. They really don't know much about their frames.

They just play.

I doubt this is the general trends amongst top ATP players anymore.
 

daved

Rookie
Feel, baby

I doubt this is the general trends amongst top ATP players anymore.

They know what feels right and ask to have a bunch of racquets that feel the same. They are not into specs. Feel. You can't play any sport at the pro level based on thought and analysis. If you could, everyone on these boards would be a pro! Pros are animals. They are not in their heads. You can't play tennis at that speed and intensity and be in your head.
 

THE FIGHTER

Hall of Fame
They know what feels right and ask to have a bunch of racquets that feel the same. They are not into specs. Feel. You can't play any sport at the pro level based on thought and analysis. If you could, everyone on these boards would be a pro! Pros are animals. They are not in their heads. You can't play tennis at that speed and intensity and be in your head.

Of course it takes a lot more than thought and analysis to be a pro. however, thought and analysis is a part of tennis. look at the the players near the top of the game.

I think you're arguing two things here to convey that pros don't analyze. the first thing being: pros feel first, and analyze/remember specs to recreate the feel. which i for the most part agree with, however, some pros are very peculiar about their set ups, and at the very least have to be sure of what specs they like. pros have asked to get their racquet strung a couple of pounds tighter or looser in the first set in a match countless times. there needs to be a knowledge of string tension at the very least in order to make the request.

The second thing you're arguing is that pros are not able to analyze while playing since they are playing out of their heads. i can agree with the idea that a lot of micro decisions happen in a point, many times those decisions are purely instinctual, instincts that are developed through practice and aren't usually analyzed mid point. However, you also have to realize that most of a tennis match is spent in between points, and analysis of one's game, how it's affecting the opponent, and what needs to be done certainly does happen mid match.

However, analyzing racquet specs and not having the presence of mind during a point have nothing to do with one another. It cannot be argued that because a player cannot think of specs during a point, he is incapable of analyzing specs at all. No one applies lead tape in the middle of a rally.
 
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Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I thought Jim Courier was sponsored by Donnay! Did he switch back to Wilson? Jim in his playing days use the Prostaff 6.0 Original with 85 sq. inches. He did get his blue, white and red signature racquet but he switch back to the original and Wilson did not endorse him so he painted his Prostaff all black! So did Mary Pierce just before she won the French Open too. Wilson miss time that! Mary had a "O" as in her strings stenciled in. "O" my!
 
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