33 is peak
John Isner into his first slam SF at the age of 33. Meanwhile, #3 Zverev is without a slam SF
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I don't think the 1/4 final matches were indicative of the ATP being a joke. 2 of the 4 matches were high quality and full of tension. There's obviously a big issue with the failure of "young" players...if you can extend young to 28 year olds, but the quality of tennis yesterday at Wimbledon was fantastic.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
I didn't say the quality is poor. DelPo v Nadal was incredible. But those two have been playing eachother for over 10 years. Instead of getting excited about new rivalries, we've only got old ones to follow. This can't last forever. When it ends, the ATP will be in a real pickle.
It might well be, but they can survive another couple of years with the current geriatrics. The leading young players look to me to have some charisma...but i agree it is contingent on them eventually actually doing something on the big stage. If Raonic/Goffin etc take over, the game is in trouble.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Yes, please leave him alone. We should wait until he turns at least 30 to make a Slam semis.
zverev2018
Semi-Pro
He's 21. In some countries or states, he JUST became an adult. Leave him alone. Right now players are still peaking in their 30's, things have changed. So him being 21 means that he has tons of times. He already won 3 masters 1000, it's only a matter of time before he makes his slam breakthrough, most likely at the USO or next year's AO. So chill bro. Zvrv is the real deal.
Thundergod
Hall of Fame
The problem is still there when you exclude Big 3 and I'm excluding Stan since he's an odd case. I don't think many (if any) of them are as talented as a Delpo and definitely none of them are as talented as a Murray.
Newballs
Professional
I’d like to say that I respectfully disagree but the Murray comment seems way out of left field.
I was always impressed with the amount of work Andy had to put in to compensate.
There’s obvious talent yes, but MORE than.?
I just can’t feature that but what the hell do I know..?
There’s been a lot of hate flotin’ around here lately and I have no intention of contributing so no offense, this is just how I see it.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Wrong. Medvedev won three and never won a major. Chang and Muster both won 5 but won "only" one slam.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Athletes typically peak around 26-28 and then slowly decline in athletic performance. They might get smarter. But 36 year old Fed isn't better than 26 year old Fed.
Zverev may have an opportunity once the wall finally hits the Big 4 (probably has hit for Murray). But by then there will be improvements from guys like Tsitsipas, Shapovalov, Auger-Alliasime, Coric, Tiafoe who might offer a good deal of resistance.
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Lol Raonic.
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FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
What the heck how could anyone dislike Isner? He's a great guy. I hope he wins the whole thing. It would be really exciting to have an American champion at Wimbledon again.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Isner has made Masters Finals before though and ended up losing to one of the Big Four. At IW 2012 he even beat peak Djoker but lost to a Fed who was already building up momentum for his great Wimbledon run. No, Isner is not remotely as bad as you are making him out to be and people will have to get used to players like him making deep runs at the big events. This is how tennis used to be like in the 90s. Fedannihilation of 04-07 and the Big Four Era are the aberrations. I also want the likes of Isner and Anderson to keep doing well so the Next gen realise there is no entitlement for them to win slams easy peasy when the Big Four are done because those who were waiting in the wings all these years will make the most of the increasing lapses in form of Fedalovic. Murray is out cold for now anyway.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
No, it's not just a matter of time. It's also a matter of stamina. So it's not going to be that easy for Zverev. There MAY be another generation on the way without a 'real deal'. We will see.
This may be great as the older ones' talent, hard work and experiences count while the younger ones' need to work on their skills further on. Having the early bird Becker winning it all at Wimbledon once, may have pointed to the issues of some fine older well established tennis players then; or, that may have been the shortcomings of the anti doping agency then
Tennis_Hands
Banned
I see a pattern in the way the OP chooses his topics.
Do you think he enjoys that? Do you think he does not try to win? the guy clearly has problems in slams, but he is very young, in my opinion he will overcome them, winning masters is a good start, the rest will come with time.
You are ****ting in the wrong person, thiem and kyrgios are older and have not won anything greater than a 500 point, I do not care if they reached the semifinals or quarters of a slam if you do not win it that's worth ****, thiem can only play on clay, kyrgios is a mental midget, they deserve much more criticism that zverev that at least is trying.
HOORAY for the old dudes! now if we could just get Schwartzman into a final, i could scream HOORAY for the short dudes! (are
there any old AND short dudes out on tour??
Ferrer.
Mugu
Rookie
of course! how could i forget about him...
S'in-net
Semi-Pro
Also Rios won five DIFFERENT masters yet zoned out at the slams, similar to Nishikori always injured, similar to Kyrgios not fully ATTENDING mentally at AELTC
Nothing much has really changed...
Even Nadal being the (tallest) shortest S/F at 6'1" is not the record
That was Edberg in 1991 at 6'2"
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Let's try to "aussiedarcy" the OP:
This Wimbledon finalists on the women's side will have a higher median age than those on the men's side!
The pathetic state of the women's tennis is only exacerbated by the fact that there were no top ten WTA except one in the second week of the tournament.
This Wimbledon finalists on the women's side will have a higher median age than those on the men's side!
The pathetic state of the women's tennis is only exacerbated by the fact that there were no top ten WTA except one in the second week of the tournament.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Meles
Bionic Poster
What are the TTW bitterer to do?
Meles
Bionic Poster
He's not seriously drinking the WTA has tremendous depth cool aid?Let's try to "aussiedarcy" the OP:
This Wimbledon finalists on the women's side will have a higher median age than those on the men's side!
The pathetic state of the women's tennis is only exacerbated by the fact that there were no top ten WTA except one in the second week of the tournament.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
He's not seriously drinking the WTA has tremendous depth cool aid?
What depth, lol!?
Top tenners on the WTA side getting straight-setted by nobodies for fun in the first week of Wimbledon.
For the most part it is a faceless mass of mediocrity.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
He's not seriously drinking the WTA has tremendous depth cool aid?
He's literally bathing in that kool aid
duaneeo
Legend
Memorandum to all young players and future stars: Until you first make it to a slam SF, don't win jack **** at the Masters and stay low in the rankings.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Can’t blame the failure of the under-30 guys on Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. When you look at the top hundred, nearly 40% are over age 30. This is unprecedented.
There is obviously something systematic going on, and anyone who tries to tell me that 32 is the new 22 is full of BS.
My theory:
A. The under-30 generation is the first group of players to grow up playing with relatively stiff and light wide body frames and poly strings.
B. They are also the first group to grow up in an era where coaches are teaching the ‘modern’ forehand technique, which is almost a necessity to be able to effectively use the wide body frames and poly strings.
C. The combo of modern forehand and stiff light frame poly strung racquets leads to stroke production with increased racquetspeed, but a loss of control compared to the tighter, more precise ball hit by the previous generation.
D. At the highest levels, older-school precision-and-control wins over spin and power, because the spin-and-power players don’t have the shot tolerance of the precision-and-control guys.
There is obviously something systematic going on, and anyone who tries to tell me that 32 is the new 22 is full of BS.
My theory:
A. The under-30 generation is the first group of players to grow up playing with relatively stiff and light wide body frames and poly strings.
B. They are also the first group to grow up in an era where coaches are teaching the ‘modern’ forehand technique, which is almost a necessity to be able to effectively use the wide body frames and poly strings.
C. The combo of modern forehand and stiff light frame poly strung racquets leads to stroke production with increased racquetspeed, but a loss of control compared to the tighter, more precise ball hit by the previous generation.
D. At the highest levels, older-school precision-and-control wins over spin and power, because the spin-and-power players don’t have the shot tolerance of the precision-and-control guys.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
You are on to something. The new racquet/string combo does two things. One, it decreases precision, as you said. Two, it doesn't naturally develop proper strokes. Players can "cheat" on their strokes and get good results. If you hit with a PS85 or 90, it forced you to hit with impeccable strokes.
I mean, look at Zverev's FH. Lol.
Meles
Bionic Poster
jackdaw
Rookie
Wrong
