Just how much S&V from fed?

[obsessedtennisfandisorder]

I'm getting quotes and media bites saying fed is all over the net again.
But how much of this is the actual real s&v...for example todays final.

The stats say "net approaches" but that doesn't differentiate.

i think S%V is a key to fed surviving past 2009.

I don't think he will defend as well against players like djokovic.

Fed is awesome and he's not a a slump...his oppositiobn isn't crap anymore.

 

[David L]

I'm getting quotes and media bites saying fed is all over the net again.
But how much of this is the actual real s&v...for example todays final.

The stats say "net approaches" but that doesn't differentiate.

i think S%V is a key to fed surviving past 2009.

I don't think he will defend as well against players like djokovic.

Fed is awesome and he's not a a slump...his oppositiobn isn't crap anymore.

Federer is not going to become an exclusive serve and volley player in the Sampras mold, period. He's too good from the baseline, which is the percentage play these days anyway. His game is fine the way it is. He already has the best groundstrokes in the game, so why get rid of a strength. His forehand is peerless. It's so good, it's almost unfair. He comes to the net to apply more pressure, but he's not going to sacrifice the rest of his game.

Federer does not have to worry unduly about Djokovic any more than the other top players. They are all dangerous, but he is better than them. Djokovic should be worrying about Federer and the other rising players. The h2h is 7-2 in Federer's favour I believe.

Federer's opposition was never crap, so nothing has changed. His game, the way it is now, will do just fine in 2009. Naturally, he'll also be looking for ways to improve, add things and play better, but there will be no revolutions.

 

[joeri888]

I'm getting quotes and media bites saying fed is all over the net again.
But how much of this is the actual real s&v...for example todays final.

The stats say "net approaches" but that doesn't differentiate.

i think S%V is a key to fed surviving past 2009.

I don't think he will defend as well against players like djokovic.

Fed is awesome and he's not a a slump...his oppositiobn isn't crap anymore.

Federer might need more serve and volley, but his volleying hasnt been great this season and his serve isn't THAT powerful. Against a player like Murray who is standing so far behind the abseline to return its probably easier to hit it hard, and then dictate the rally with the forehand from inside the court.

 

[obsessedtennisfandisorder]

Federer is not going to become an exclusive serve and volley player in the Sampras mold, period. He's too good from the baseline, which is the percentage play these days anyway. His game is fine the way it is. He already has the best groundstrokes in the game, so why get rid of a strength. His forehand is peerless. It's so good, it's almost unfair. He comes to the net to apply more pressure, but he's not going to sacrifice the rest of his game.

Federer does not have to worry unduly about Djokovic any more than the other top players. They are all dangerous, but he is better than them. Djokovic should be worrying about Federer and the other rising players. The h2h is 7-2 in Federer's favour I believe.

Federer's opposition was never crap, so nothing has changed. His game, the way it is now, will do just fine in 2009. Naturally, he'll also be looking for ways to improve, add things and play better, but there will be no revolutions.

Largely agree with all that....

The main point I was getting at with "crap"(exaggerating i know) is that i'm sure Fed would face a Hewitt ala 2004 in a final than djokovic firing.
Djokovic stepped up in 2007 and good on him.
Who stepped up in 2005 or 2006?
What was stopping baghdatis/berdych getting their act together ala djokovic.

Fed is the most talented , awesome player still on the tour and i don't see that not happening anytime soon....

Just sick of all this "fed in a slump" rubbish when what was atcually happening was he actually had people challenging him for once..

can't say that about roddick.

As for the other point...FEd just turned 27 still oyung..

But in 2010 he will turn 29...and I wonder if the break neck speed will still be there..

You may well be right....maybe he's so good he will adjust his game sohe doesn't need to be fast....on the evidence of this month's Open...

THE SCARY THING IS FED CAN IMPROVE EVEN MORE>

 

[rwn]

Federer is not going to become an exclusive serve and volley player in the Sampras mold, period. He's too good from the baseline, which is the percentage play these days anyway. His game is fine the way it is. He already has the best groundstrokes in the game, so why get rid of a strength. His forehand is peerless. It's so good, it's almost unfair. He comes to the net to apply more pressure, but he's not going to sacrifice the rest of his game.

Federer does not have to worry unduly about Djokovic any more than the other top players. They are all dangerous, but he is better than them. Djokovic should be worrying about Federer and the other rising players. The h2h is 7-2 in Federer's favour I believe.

Federer's opposition was never crap, so nothing has changed. His game, the way it is now, will do just fine in 2009. Naturally, he'll also be looking for ways to improve, add things and play better, but there will be no revolutions.

Sampras wasn't an exclusive serve and volley player until late in his career. At his peak he was a baseliner. He only played serve and volley on superfast surfaces. Those surfaces don't exist anymore.

 

[David L]

Largely agree with all that....

The main point I was getting at with "crap"(exaggerating i know) is that i'm sure Fed would face a Hewitt ala 2004 in a final than djokovic firing.
Djokovic stepped up in 2007 and good on him.
Who stepped up in 2005 or 2006?
What was stopping baghdatis/berdych getting their act together ala djokovic.

Fed is the most talented , awesome player still on the tour and i don't see that not happening anytime soon....

Just sick of all this "fed in a slump" rubbish when what was atcually happening was he actually had people challenging him for once..

can't say that about roddick.

As for the other point...FEd just turned 27 still oyung..

But in 2010 he will turn 29...and I wonder if the break neck speed will still be there..

You may well be right....maybe he's so good he will adjust his game sohe doesn't need to be fast....on the evidence of this month's Open...

THE SCARY THING IS FED CAN IMPROVE EVEN MORE>

This year Federer was affected by mono, plain and simple. It's not an excuse, it's the truth. If you look at some of my recent posts, I provide a lot of detail about how his practice, fitness and schedule were affected by it. This information comes directly from his trainer.

Federer will be fine at 29, as long as he is still fit.

I still don't understand why people doubt Federer's game. It's obvious to me he has the most ability of all the current players I have seen, despite his losses this year. Hasn't he proven his credentials enough?

 

[David L]

Sampras wasn't an exclusive serve and volley player until late in his career. At his peak he was a baseliner. He only played serve and volley on superfast surfaces. Those surfaces don't exist anymore.

Federer isn't Sampras.

 

[Cup8489]

I'm getting quotes and media bites saying fed is all over the net again.
But how much of this is the actual real s&v...for example todays final.

The stats say "net approaches" but that doesn't differentiate.

i think S%V is a key to fed surviving past 2009.

I don't think he will defend as well against players like djokovic.

Fed is awesome and he's not a a slump...his oppositiobn isn't crap anymore.

he was definitely serve and volleying. not exclusively, but he notably did it on important points. he also was chip and charging alot, which isnt that easy given murray's improved serve. i am an advocate that fed should incorporate this style into his already formidable ground game, and that might be all he needs to extend his grand slam career for a couple years longer.

but his volleys are not what they once where, although they are definitely improving again.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Fed missed a lot of volleys in the 2nd set-the majority of them, but then at the end of the 2nd he started hitting good chip charge slice returns and jumping to the net. Then he did the same all of the 3rd set. Murray stood 5m behind the baseline in the 3rt set so Fed started coming to net at every opportunity, on chip charge returns, after good groundstrokes and even after some serves. Murray was only putting about 35% of first serves in play in the 3rd so it made it easier for Fed to attack and come to net.

Feds best tactic was definitely the chip charge return. He looked much more dangerous when he started chip charging effectively and coming to net. Sampras must have given fed a call before the match to tell him to use his famous chip charge tactic. In 5 sets in the Wimbledon, Fed only did the chip charge return about 1 time. Its baffling why he didn't try it all match during Wimbledon.

 

[rwn]

Federer isn't Sampras.

I didn't say that :???:

 

[coloskier]

he was definitely serve and volleying. not exclusively, but he notably did it on important points. he also was chip and charging alot, which isnt that easy given murray's improved serve. i am an advocate that fed should incorporate this style into his already formidable ground game, and that might be all he needs to extend his grand slam career for a couple years longer.

but his volleys are not what they once where, although they are definitely improving again.

It was actually very easy to chip and charge against Murray. His 2nd serves were coming at 85mph. Dementieva hits harder serves than that.

 

[Conquistador]

Look for Federer to play more net in the near future. There is a certain aura in the air that Federer is developing a serve volley-smash type game as evidenced in the US Open this year. There were more smashes by Federer in this Open than I can ever remember.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

It was actually very easy to chip and charge against Murray. His 2nd serves were coming at 85mph. Dementieva hits harder serves than that.

More like 75!

 

[pow]

Fed missed a lot of volleys in the 2nd set-the majority of them, but then at the end of the 2nd he started hitting good chip charge slice returns and jumping to the net. Then he did the same all of the 3rd set. Murray stood 5m behind the baseline in the 3rt set so Fed started coming to net at every opportunity, on chip charge returns, after good groundstrokes and even after some serves. Murray was only putting about 35% of first serves in play in the 3rd so it made it easier for Fed to attack and come to net.

Feds best tactic was definitely the chip charge return. He looked much more dangerous when he started chip charging effectively and coming to net. Sampras must have given fed a call before the match to tell him to use his famous chip charge tactic. In 5 sets in the Wimbledon, Fed only did the chip charge return about 1 time. Its baffling why he didn't try it all match during Wimbledon.

I like how you started talking about chip charge returns and replaced your Nadal avatar after the US Open.

 

[Conquistador]

Age doesnt necessicarilly mean you have to resort to a Sand V game...Look what Agassi did a couple years ago in the Blake match and it worked well..I dont understand why people think age plays in with S and V--unless youre over 40--s and v would be wise--other than that todays tennis players are playing longer and care more about their health as they get older--an older federer is a more mature federer