Klip Lightning vs the Mojo (Legend/Iso Pro)

[wally]

The recent lack of availablity of the IsoSpeed Pro and sometimes the Klip Legend led me to search for a substitute. After a bit of research and posing questions to fellow TW borad members I bought a set of Klip Lightning 17. Lightning is 1/2 set of legend 17 and 1/2 set of Excellerator 17g.

The Racquet DNX 10 mid
The Stringer Prince Neos 1000 with Wise 2086
Stringing - Gut in the mains at 57lbs/w 10% prestretch No worries. very easy to work with. As with any gut its best to take your time. I did wax the mains before installing the crosses.
Excellerator - soft slippery stuff. I'm glad a planned ahead on the blocked holes. Fairly easy to string no real problems with coil memory or kinks. Seems to hold tension fraily well. Crosses strung at 57 lbs with no prestretch. Not nearly as "grabby" as the Isospeed. Knots were easy to tie and tighten

The racquet was strung in the morning and played with the same evening. With the Mojo setup I usually try to string it up the night before to let the Isospeed settle.

Playtest - (indoors with two former college players) This is one powerful comfortable setup. There were several shots that just exploded off the racquet. Control and access to spin is excellent. Not quite as spinny as the mojo setup but I still had several balls take the same last minute dip and drop in. Slightly more comfortable slightly less control than the Mojo.
After 2 hours of hitting no real signs of wear. During play string movement was minimal.

Overall - very pleasant surprise but expensive! Cost is higher $22 for the Lighning vs $18 for the Mojo setup. With the $4 difference in price I'm not sure if I'll purchase this one again especially if the durability does not approach that of the Mojo setup.

 

[Lindros13]

Quick question that I never got answered: Does Mojo's setup have 17 gauge string for both the Isospeed Pro and also 17g for Legend?

 

[wally]

Quick question that I never got answered: Does Mojo's setup have 17 gauge string for both the Isospeed Pro and also 17g for Legend?

Yes 17g for both. the Isospeed pro I beleive only comes in 17g

 

[bmichaelia]

Yes 17g for both. the Isospeed pro I beleive only comes in 17g

Quick tip: a certain company Tenn** Expre** may still have some IsoSpeed. I ordered some yesterday.

 

[NoBadMojo]

Can the Mojonator participate? ;O

My gut hybrid odyssey has gone this way with each setup playing better: Gut mains in all.

BowBrand/Gosen OG Sheep
Bow Brand/ Prince DFlex

enter Bow Brand whopper price increase and quality dump

Klip Legend/Prince DFlex
Legend/Excellerator
Legend/Iso

The most noticeable jump in performance and durability came when I moved to the Legend/Iso altho it still seems funny to me to have the crosses snap before the mains.....but when i examined hours played, i get the most longevity out of this setup

The legend/Excellerator is really nice however. For that one I suggest a pretty vigorous prestretch of the Excellerator. i dont think legend should ever be prestretched hard...no pre stretch would be better than too hard...in the summer I go with straight Excellerator as I dont like how the heat and humidity changes how the gut performs on a day to day basis. syntheotcs are a bit more immune to things like that i feel

 

[bmichaelia]

Can the Mojonator participate? ;O

My gut hybrid odyssey has gone this way with each setup playing better: Gut mains in all.

BowBrand/Gosen OG Sheep
Bow Brand/ Prince DFlex

enter Bow Brand whopper price increase and quality dump

Klip Legend/Prince DFlex
Legend/Excellerator
Legend/Iso

The most noticeable jump in performance and durability came when I moved to the Legend/Iso altho it still seems funny to me to have the crosses snap before the mains.....but when i examined hours played, i get the most longevity out of this setup

The legend/Excellerator is really nice however. For that one I suggest a pretty vigorous prestretch of the Excellerator. i dont think legend should ever be prestretched hard...no pre stretch would be better than too hard...in the summer I go with straight Excellerator as I dont like how the heat and humidity changes how the gut performs on a day to day basis. syntheotcs are a bit more immune to things like that i feel

Mojo - If you believe what a lot of others have said about replacing just the cross strings (I've only done it once, but it seemed fine), why don't you try replacing the crosses with a new set of Iso before they break?

 

[mileslong]

mojo - in a lot of my rackets i was using babolat vs gut mains and either lux ace crosses, sppp crosses or bablolat hurricane pro tour crosses. that setup was used in my dunlop 200's. 100 and my fischer mspeeds and pk redondos. all lasted a decent amount of time and great feel and performance.

recently however i started playing the new pure storm tour and what i found was this same string setup was only lasting half as long as before. money isnt the issue for me but having to keep taking my rackets to the stringer is.

now im trying a full lux ace setup in the storm tour and the performance rocks except its not as good at the net and it doesn't feel quite as plush as my usual setup.

my question is this: can you recommend another gut that will last longer in the mains for me than the vs babolat? thats about the only gut i have ever used? im missing that plush feel of the gut mains and it helps on my volleys although this setup with the ace in this pure storm tour creates more spin than any racket/string setup in my life...

 

[NoBadMojo]

Mojo - If you believe what a lot of others have said about replacing just the cross strings (I've only done it once, but it seemed fine), why don't you try replacing the crosses with a new set of Iso before they break?

I dont recommend doing that on certain racquets which are notoriously structurely weak or racquets which arent well made and it isnt a good idea to do that as a steady diet on any one frame just in case altho i suspect it wouldnt bother certain frames if the precautions were taken.
I did try it once as an experiment taking all the precautions and stringing the crosses a little tighter than the first time and ended up with a pretty good playing racquet which i relegated to the last backup position..dont know how long i could have played it, but the gut mains werent really even fraying when the crosses broke. it didnt play quite as well as the original stringjob....gut does lose tension and elasticity in spite of what people might say.

mojo - in a lot of my rackets i was using babolat vs gut mains and either lux ace crosses, sppp crosses or bablolat hurricane pro tour crosses. that setup was used in my dunlop 200's. 100 and my fischer mspeeds and pk redondos. all lasted a decent amount of time and great feel and performance.

recently however i started playing the new pure storm tour and what i found was this same string setup was only lasting half as long as before. money isnt the issue for me but having to keep taking my rackets to the stringer is.

now im trying a full lux ace setup in the storm tour and the performance rocks except its not as good at the net and it doesn't feel quite as plush as my usual setup.

my question is this: can you recommend another gut that will last longer in the mains for me than the vs babolat? thats about the only gut i have ever used? im missing that plush feel of the gut mains and it helps on my volleys although this setup with the ace in this pure storm tour creates more spin than any racket/string setup in my life...

sure...try Klip Armourpro..that stuff is really rugged. Also for more durability than VS in a traditional gut, try BDE Perf or Ralley, VS Tonic, or regular Klip legend

 

[wally]

The legend/Excellerator is really nice however. For that one I suggest a pretty vigorous prestretch of the Excellerator. i dont think legend should ever be prestretched hard...no pre stretch would be better than too hard...in the summer I go with straight Excellerator as I dont like how the heat and humidity changes how the gut performs on a day to day basis. syntheotcs are a bit more immune to things like that i feel

Mojo,
As always thanks for your input. I do have a couple of questions

1.) is a 10% prestretch too much for the Legend gut?
2.) What do you consider a "vigorous" pres-strech for the Excellerator? I can vary the pre-stretch between 10 and 25% on the Wise.
3.) What kind of durability do you get from the straight Excellerator setup?

Thanks again

 

[NoBadMojo]

Mojo,
As always thanks for your input. I do have a couple of questions

1.) is a 10% prestretch too much for the Legend gut?
2.) What do you consider a "vigorous" pres-strech for the Excellerator? I can vary the pre-stretch between 10 and 25% on the Wise.
3.) What kind of durability do you get from the straight Excellerator setup?

Thanks again

yw

You're asking the wrong guy. I prestretch by hand and go by feel and experience. I string my personal frames on a cheesy dropweight. My system is to try and prestretch the string to the level where the weight bar comes out horizontal when pulling the string as I normally do. (poly's excluded as I dont think those should be strung on a dropweight). I dont want to have to re pull because i didnt prestretch enough nor do i want the bar to come to much lesss than parallel. I think you get an excellent feel for a string by using a cheesy dropweight stringer
For klip Legend it is a mild prestretch and for Excellerator it's what I call a hard prestretch..thats a pretty stretchy string. the Legend can get boardy really fast with a hard prestretch and/or high tension
sorry, i just dont know percentages of prestretch
the durability of the Excellerator I would say is average for a quality multi string...that isnt its forte, but it does play really well until it breaks and doesnt get all sloppy on you. i would say I get about 50% of the life of the legend/iso and maybe about 75% of the life when i was using Legend/Excellerator

 

[bagung]

NBMJ,
as iso always break first on the cross, i am planning to install legend 18g on main instead of legend 17g or armoupro on my usual set up. what do you think about the 18g in main will do? will i break the main 18g first instead of iso in cross...?

 

[NoBadMojo]

NBMJ,
as iso always break first on the cross, i am planning to install legend 18g on main instead of legend 17g or armoupro on my usual set up. what do you think about the 18g in main will do? will i break the main 18g first instead of iso in cross...?

i doubt it, but if you hit with lots of spin, you may find that setup is too spinny.....too much energy into spin rather than ball speed. also the 18g legend plays even more crisply than the 17 as thinner gauges are prone to do....if that is what you are looking for, that would work....the other option would be to do the legend17 w. iso control as a cross...that may be the same string as the 17, but just a little thicker..that may give you a slightly less responsive setup so may want to string that one a little lower..anyone tried that?

i dont feel the need to try and further refine the legend17/iso pro combo. any performance bump would be marginal at best

 

[bagung]

i doubt it, but if you hit with lots of spin, you may find that setup is too spinny.....too much energy into spin rather than ball speed. also the 18g legend plays even more crisply than the 17 as thinner gauges are prone to do....if that is what you are looking for, that would work....the other option would be to do the legend17 w. iso control as a cross...that may be the same string as the 17, but just a little thicker..that may give you a slightly less responsive setup so may want to string that one a little lower..anyone tried that?

i dont feel the need to try and further refine the legend17/iso pro combo. any performance bump would be marginal at best

thanks NBMJ..
the reason i want to try 18g is that the legend 16 and 17g is unavailable when i ordered it from tw.. at the same time, everytimes when iso cross breaks, the main gut is still in good conditions; that is why i was thinking by putting 18g, they will wear at the same times, and i can maybe get additional advantge by using 18g.....??

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Quick question that I never got answered: Does Mojo's setup have 17 gauge string for both the Isospeed Pro and also 17g for Legend?

Klip Legend Gut 17 g mains
Isospeed Pro 17 g crosses.

CC

 

[Zets147]

Has anyone else tried the Klip Lightning? (the first set of lightning I played with won me a tournament hehe).

 

[meh]

i doubt it, but if you hit with lots of spin, you may find that setup is too spinny.....too much energy into spin rather than ball speed. also the 18g legend plays even more crisply than the 17 as thinner gauges are prone to do....if that is what you are looking for, that would work....the other option would be to do the legend17 w. iso control as a cross...that may be the same string as the 17, but just a little thicker..that may give you a slightly less responsive setup so may want to string that one a little lower..anyone tried that?

i dont feel the need to try and further refine the legend17/iso pro combo. any performance bump would be marginal at best

Hey Mojo, I've switched from Pro to Control on the crosses...I get a few more hours. By that time, the tension is pretty much shot anyways, and the gut is at the end of its life. Control also isn't fraying as wildly as Pro.

 

[bagung]

Hey Mojo, I've switched from Pro to Control on the crosses...I get a few more hours. By that time, the tension is pretty much shot anyways, and the gut is at the end of its life. Control also isn't fraying as wildly as Pro.

hi meh, does it play differently with control in cross...? do you have to string it 10% tensions higher as per pro too?
i just bought the rip control, as someone in the board says it play similar to pro...

 

[bagung]

i have tried both the klip lightning and klip screamer..both prepackaged hybrids are excellent, and they both last longer than legend/iso hybrid... and they are the first hybrids i tried... since then, i have tried other hybrids with always gut in main, and just love the "feel" and "play" of gut/iso-speed pro....
somehow, i prefer the main armourpro than other guts, including the legend....
however, due to iso always break first, it is actually a waste by putting armorpro in main.....