Kohlschreiber outs Federer: "Not converting match points is absolutely bad"

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'Losing Wimbledon final that way for Roger Federer was absolutely bad'
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"I was never playing a Wimbledon final but not converting match points is absolutely bad", said Kohlschreiber.

Asked what makes Djokovic special, Kohlschreiber replied: "He is extremely solid.
He won three tie-breaks against Federer, he has a soft game style. Djoker doesn't make unforced errors, he returns so strong, he makes you nervous and he doesn't make you hit easy balls."
 
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PrinceMoron

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You can’t write very terrible.
You can’t write absolutely bad for the same reason.

Even if you are a Kohlkopf


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megamind

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Djokovic shows you how far a pusher can take their game (that aint an insult just a testament to the strategy at all levels, even GOAT levels)
 
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PrinceMoron said:
You can’t write very terrible.
You can’t write absolutely bad for the same reason.

Even if you are a Kohlkopf


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It is the site that is censored here (for a good reason). I don't think that anyone should take anything written on it seriously, yet I know that the comments about that "article" will rage for pages.

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Service Ace said:
He's right. It destroyed Fed's legacy and every one else on the tour is too scared to admit it. Funny how all the chicken littles in this thread use it as an opportunity to pile on the one honest guy on the tour.
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so maybe then, Djoker is NOT the greatest returner in the history?
 
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Ok, so here's (part of) the interview. It was conducted by Andrej Antic (German tennismagazin) and appeared in tennismagazin issue 11/12/2019 (link: https://www.tennismagazin.de/interview/philipp-kohlschreiber-mein-tennis-iq-ist-heute-hoeher/).
Obviosuly, it's in German... And the full interview just started with this question:

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Herr Kohlschreiber, wir reisen ein paar Monate in die Vergangenheit. Haben Sie das Endspiel von Wimbledon gesehen?

Ja. Natürlich habe ich es nicht vom ersten bis zum letzten Punkt gesehen, aber ich würde sagen, ab Mitte dritter Satz war ich dabei. Das Match hat alles gehabt, was man sich als Zuschauer wünscht. Es war eine tolle Werbung für Tennis, sehr schön zum Anschauen. Ich weiß auch, wie sich ein Roger Federer gefühlt haben muss. Ich stand ja noch nie im Wimbledon-Finale, aber dort Matchbälle zu vergeben ist absolut super bitter. Das ist an Emotionalität nicht zu überbieten, besonders beim wichtigsten Turnier der Welt.
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So he never said anything that is even similar to what everybody in this thread gets riled up on...
Use google translate for the entire interview, here's just my own (not google-assisted) translation of the passage that apparently got misinterpreted: "I also know how (a) Roger Federer must have felt. I've never been to a Wimbledon final, but to not convert match points there is absolutely super bitter". Maybe translate "bitter" as "devastating" if you like.
But that's so typical of this place ;)
 
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Alex78 said:
Ok, so here's (part of) the interview. It was conducted by Andrej Antic (German tennismagazin) and appeared in tennismagazin issue 11/12/2019 (link: https://www.tennismagazin.de/interview/philipp-kohlschreiber-mein-tennis-iq-ist-heute-hoeher/).
Obviosuly, it's in German... And the full interview just started with this question:

"
Herr Kohlschreiber, wir reisen ein paar Monate in die Vergangenheit. Haben Sie das Endspiel von Wimbledon gesehen?

Ja. Natürlich habe ich es nicht vom ersten bis zum letzten Punkt gesehen, aber ich würde sagen, ab Mitte dritter Satz war ich dabei. Das Match hat alles gehabt, was man sich als Zuschauer wünscht. Es war eine tolle Werbung für Tennis, sehr schön zum Anschauen. Ich weiß auch, wie sich ein Roger Federer gefühlt haben muss. Ich stand ja noch nie im Wimbledon-Finale, aber dort Matchbälle zu vergeben ist absolut super bitter. Das ist an Emotionalität nicht zu überbieten, besonders beim wichtigsten Turnier der Welt.
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So he never said anything that is even similar to what everybody in this thread gets riled up on...
Use google translate for the entire interview, here's just my own (not google-assisted) translation of the passage that apparently got misinterpreted: "I also know how (a) Roger Federer must have felt. I've never been to a Wimbledon final, but to not convert match points there is absolutely super bitter". Maybe translate "bitter" as "devastating" if you like.
But that's so typical of this place ;)
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The point is that the statement is a truism, nothing more. It may well be that the interviewer asked a stupid question or this is just a non-thread, but no-one's being riled up about the substance of Kohlschreiber is saying.

Your translation, ie "losing after having championship points sucks" isn't much better if at all, because last I checked no-one enjoys losing after having championship points.

It's like starting a thread titled "Federer says water is wet".
 
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Bender said:
The point is that the statement is a truism, nothing more. It may well be that the interviewer asked a stupid question or this is just a non-thread, but no-one's being riled up about the substance of Kohlschreiber is saying.

Your translation, ie "losing after having championship points sucks" isn't much better if at all, because last I checked no-one enjoys losing after having championship points.

It's like starting a thread titled "Federer says water is wet".
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That's missing the point here and you know it.
The issue is Kohlschreiber said it is super bitter to lose a Final after you've had match points. Ok, that's not worthy of a discussion. But keep in mind this was part of a response to an interviewer's question about the Wimbledon 2019 final. (You acknowledge the question may have been stupid in the first place, although I don't follow you here entirely; see the whole interview to understand why the interviewer started the interview with this question.)
But everybody in this thread piling up on Kohlschreiber because he himself has choked away quite a few match points in matches he could have won seems to result from a bad translation where Kohlschreiber supposedly criticized Federer for not converting, which apparently had him saying Federer was "bad" or played "badly/poorly" in those situations. Yet that is not what Kohlschreiber said at all.
If he had worded his statement like insinuated/reported in the article the OP mentioned, the critique of his own performance in similar situations would be (more) understandable or even "justified".
 
terribleIVAN

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"Yes. Of course I didn't see it from the first to the last point, but I would say I was there from the middle of the third sentence. The match had everything you could want as a spectator. It was a great advertisement for tennis, very nice to watch. I also know how Roger Federer must have felt. I've never been to the Wimbledon final, but awarding match balls there is absolutely super bitter. You can't beat that in emotion, especially at the most important tournament in the world "

I'll have to agree here with Alex that the journalist misrepresented the whole thing to make it appear Kohlschreiber was pointing the finger at Fed, when obviously he was feeling bad for him.

Off to kill myself.
 
Bender

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Alex78 said:
That's missing the point here and you know it.
The issue is Kohlschreiber said it is super bitter to lose a Final after you've had match points. Ok, that's not worthy of a discussion. But keep in mind this was part of a response to an interviewer's question about the Wimbledon 2019 final. (You acknowledge the question may have been stupid in the first place, although I don't follow you here entirely; see the whole interview to understand why the interviewer started the interview with this question.)
But everybody in this thread piling up on Kohlschreiber because he himself has choked away quite a few match points in matches he could have won seems to result from a bad translation where Kohlschreiber supposedly criticized Federer for not converting, which apparently had him saying Federer was "bad" or played "badly/poorly" in those situations. Yet that is not what Kohlschreiber said at all.
If he had worded his statement like insinuated/reported in the article the OP mentioned, the critique of his own performance in similar situations would be (more) understandable or even "justified".
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There were three, maybe four posts that made reference to Kohlschreiber being a career choker himself, some of which acknowledge that he's not wrong, in a thread that as of this post has 44 total replies.

I don't think that qualifies as "everybody in this thread piling up on Kohlschreiber", so I don't for a moment think that this is missing the point, if there is one.

The simple matter of the fact is that Kohlschreiber stated the obvious (bad translation / question or not) and that this thread is kinda pointless, which is the point.

Even if he had mentioned that Federer ****ed up for squandering match points, it's still a non-discussion because Kohlscreiber's failures don't invalidate his hypothetical argument, and to suggest otherwise is an ad hominem.
 
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Bender said:
There were three, maybe four posts that made reference to Kohlschreiber being a career choker himself, some of which acknowledge that he's not wrong, in a thread that as of this post has 44 total replies.

I don't think that qualifies as "everybody in this thread piling up on Kohlschreiber", so I don't for a moment think that this is missing the point, if there is one.

The simple matter of the fact is that Kohlschreiber stated the obvious (bad translation / question or not) and that this thread is kinda pointless, which is the point.

Even if he had mentioned that Federer ****ed up for squandering match points, it's still a non-discussion because Kohlscreiber's failures don't invalidate his hypothetical argument, and to suggest otherwise is an ad hominem.
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I see your point.
 
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megamind said:
Djokovic shows you how far a pusher can take their game (that aint an insult just a testament to the strategy at all levels, even GOAT levels)
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you ve never held a raquet in your hand if you think djokovic is a pusher. He is extremly smart but not a pusher.
 
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megamind said:
Im 4.0 ntrp
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Here in [insert location] with our [insert size of tennis playing community] of [insert level of quality] would make you a [insert modified ranking of choice] at best.

torrencegwen said:
I mean it is funny in a way a lot of you are making fun of a solid tour veteran for voicing an opinion like that. In one sense it was pretty ballsy and not neccessarily smart perhaps for someone of his stature to do that publicly about the great Federer. On the flip side many of you/us did the same things referring to Federer after that final, and nearly all of us are absolute nobodies compared to a solid tour professional like Kohlschreiber, even much more than Kohl is a nobody compared to Federer, and had no problems voicing that same thing yet are mocking Kohlschreiber who on paper is infinitely more qualified to have an opinion on these things or anything tennis related than we are. Just some food for thought and funny irony about it all.
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I think the title of the thread is misleading, as a few poster have mentionned, the actual meaning was lost in translation. Kohli meant (at least according to other posters who speak german or have made an effort translating the original interview) that losing a match after having match points is painful, not that Fed is bad because he lost after having match points. TennisWorld is infamous for taking non-events and twisting them into big shocking *ahem* "news articles".
 
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