LOL. I have to laugh at that.
James Blake is one of the biggest underperformers in terms of his talent.
You just can't win grand slams without being mentally strong.
One thing Maria is, is mentally strong.
Maria Sharapova will never win another GS title...
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LOL. I have to laugh at that.
James Blake is one of the biggest underperformers in terms of his talent.
You just can't win grand slams without being mentally strong.
One thing Maria is, is mentally strong.
Well, I don't think she belongs up there with the likes of Serena or Justine.
But she has really done well to come back from her injuries and still compete well enough to put herself in the position to win.
A big part of today's result, however, is the fact that we have had no one in the WTA step up as the next great player who is able to dominate day in and day out.
And of course Maria had the dream draw. But she put herself in a position to take advantage of that and props to her.
Maria is able to take advantage of a wide open field with aging/injured Williams sisters and Kim Clijsters and basically no one else who will step up and dominate day in and day out.
Hopefully, we will see another 1-3 great players emerge over the next year. Things are getting pretty boring as it stands.
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jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
What do you want me to do, to stay here and go back and forth bickering with fanatics like TMF and others just bc I got one wrong? Like I said, for 3 years I looked like a genius. Lightning struck and the cards fell Pova's way. Hard work of course, but a bit of luck as well. Granted given her last 2 slam final performances it would've been a great disappointment had she not won another along the way, particularly the way this RG opened up for her.
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NadalAgassi
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Agree with all you said except the luck part. When you make 3 of the last 4 slam finals it cant be luck. She obviously has unexpectedly worked her way back right up to the very top. With the crappy state of womens tennis today she has a better chance to carve out a brief period of dominance or semi dominance than she has ever had in her life, including her real prime from 2004-2008 when she admirably displayed a combination of consistently contending and occasionaly winning but was never going to dominate vs the field in place then.
Fate Archer
Hall of Fame
Well, I now hope she never wins a Slam again, so she can stay with a perfect unchanged Career GS set. 
dcdoorknob
Hall of Fame
She'll win another slam.
I'm not even saying all the criticism's of Maria's game are off base. Lack of variety, only one gameplan for every match, etc. etc. Fair points all. She's definitely not my favorite player to watch. In most majors, these issues will continue to be exposed and she will continue to not win most of them (and I'm sure JBF will continue to bump this thread every time this happens. :roll
But her A game (on the occasion she finds it) is still good enough to win a major. The girl is 23 years old. She's a fighter and a hard worker, and when she's zoning, she's pretty damn tough to deal with. One more major isn't too much to expect, and I think most people in this thread are pretty short sighted for saying it can't and won't happen.
(from September 2010)
Short sighted indeed.
ruerooo
Legend
If ReRe hadn't fallen out there might've been a different outcome for this Slam. But that doesn't mean she wouldn't have won another another year.
If you underestimated her tenacity?
Yeah. Not so much.
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If you underestimated her tenacity?
Yeah. Not so much.
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dcdoorknob
Hall of Fame
Nope, sorry. You don't get to get off like you weren't one of the ones that was most wrong about her in this thread just because you finally came around last week.
Time to man up and eat some crow, like JBF is respectably doing.
TERRASTAR18
Hall of Fame
blake had tougher matches......i'd rather be blake......
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Not saying that she is equal to Serena or Justine but she does belong in that league of players who have achieved a #1 ranking and have won multiple slams and other major tournaments. Prior to this year she has been in the top 5 (year ending rank) for five years. She's reached the SF or better in 18 slams + WTA Championships. Her overall W-L record for her 10 years of playing grand slam events is a respectable 80%. I'd say she is a major player in the WTA.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
You should probably wait til after Wimbledon to make this prediction.
I never understand this argument. All the other top players were in the draw--they lost. It's not Maria's fault that Williams, Azerenka, Stosur, whoever, lost. They lost, she didn't; she won, they didn't. If the other contenders were in the tournament then it wasn't a 'dream draw'. Who did not play the tournament? All the top players entered the tournament. The player playing the best wins, it's as simple as that. No one playing the best loses in the 1st round.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yeah, but you said "thereafter", meaning not after age 25. McEnroe never won another Slam after age 25.
VamosPanda
New User
Maria won FO 2012
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Yeah but compare her resume vs Serena or Henin's. Serena's 4 slams in a row, a period of dominance that stands alone for this era of the women's game (the post Graf era), 13 total slams vs 4 for Pova, 5 AOs, 4 Wimbys and 3 USOs for Serena vs 1 of each slam for Pova...it's not even close tbh. Throw in the h2h meetings and it's clear who will go down in history as the greater player.
Henin despite her lack of a career GS (an accomplishment that's quickly becoming less of a note of demarcation for great players for various reasons on both the mens' and womens' side) still was utterly dominant at one slam (RG) and nearly utterly dominant for a significant period of the womens' game (06-07). TBH she's in neither Justine's nor Serena's league when it comes to all time greatness.
jelle v
Hall of Fame
Not to take anything away from Sharapova, but she won this Slam in a vacuum era of women's tennis. I'm really astonished as to how poor a quality the level of play is right now. Serena is coming back but is getting older, Clijsters not on tour, Venus nowhere near any competing level of play, Henin gone, lots of headcases. No big names on the tour at the moment. Short term success players pop up here and there only to disappear shortly after, this really happens a lot on the WTA.
I really think the WTA is one big mess at the moment. Imo Sharapova isn't any better than a couple of years ago, but all the competition has disappeared at the moment and I cannot blame Sharapova for taking her chance.
I really think the WTA is one big mess at the moment. Imo Sharapova isn't any better than a couple of years ago, but all the competition has disappeared at the moment and I cannot blame Sharapova for taking her chance.
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Deleted member 21996
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nothing. like i said : just assume the failure but not in that passive agressive manner.
Cesc Fabregas
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Deleted member 21996
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your point dumarse?
oh i know.. you dont have any. since you are my pidgeon you were anxiously waiting for PT's first loss to jump in any thing i post with something along those lines.
just wait and see your team get steam rolled by "zzee french"....
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mary fierce
Banned
Not merely coming back from injuries but the only person ever to win a slam after shoulder surgery.
analysis_king
Rookie
if your "vacuum" argument holds, then there's many GS u probably have to attach a similar asterisk to for federer too...
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
1. I do not owe anything to anyone.
2. I said the same thing about Sharapova during the AO (oops! for you), and for the same reasons (wanting the veteran Sharapova to win), so your "johnny come lately" charge is hollow. Moreover, you seem to be of the fanboy mentality which says recognizing a player's many faults (and yes, she has plenty) must mean you cannot want them to win in a particular match up. You're kidding, right? You should be. If not, then.....
Moving on....
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drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Her shoulder just isn't good enough. She's a DF machine right now, just like Coria was before his eventual breakdown. There's more people today capable of handling her one dimensional, mindless ball bashing game plan. She's never been more than that really, but now she's less consistent and thus, less effective. Watching her attempt to come to the net is like a tragic comedy.
And oh yeah, her screeching is worse than ever now that she sucks. The sad thing is, she'll probably make the USO QF b/c all the WTA girls are intimidated by her, when they shouldn't be. Her days of being top 5 are long gone, she'll be lucky to be top 10 again.
Watching her makes me wonder how she ever managed 3 GS titles. Did I leave anything out? At least she looks better in her headband than she did in the visor, that's a plus.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Historically, she's sitting with the likes of Vicario and Clijsters. Nothing more, nothing less. She now has four majors, and like the majority of ladies througout tennis history, she did not win the Grand Slam. That's it.
Not referring to you, but it is astounding how some are doing mental cartwheels to reassess Sharapova's standing as though winning a fourth major somehow places her in the conversation of the greatest players of all time, or even her own generation, when she's not in either case. She's a serviceable, good player who could capitalize when the door opened, with enough heart to avoid thoughts of retirement when years of majors failures (4 until yesterday) would depress just about anyone.
That is how yesterday's event should be considered, not the over-the-cliff storytelling attempting to turn this into the tennis story of the 21 century.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
In case you missed it, I already did that.
I'll assume you just want me to go back on everything I said and start kissing Pova's ass 24/7, which would make me disingenuous, no?
BTW I'm happy to bring joy to so many ppl on here. I was wrong, granted it took 3 years, but I was wrong. Big deal, move on.
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NadalAgassi
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ROTFL at any posters attacking JBF in this case. About five posters brought this thread up each time she reached the semis of a Grand Slam crowing about her inevitable upcoming slam win only to be warned not to be so sure, and end up with egg on their face. This was one instance when she reached the final she was playing such a scrub opponent everyone conceded her victory. Pretty much everyone else in this thread has exhibited much more fail than the OP did.
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Deleted member 21996
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needless to say, you included Davey...
JBF was correct in his assessment of the moment in his original post. However, he, like many who comment on sports, was a prisoner of the moment.
Hopefully, he and others will learn their lessons.
How many guys ended up being wrong on the NBA playoffs after one team blew out the other in a single game? Saying the loser had NO CHANCE. How many people said Serena Williams was the favorite at the French after one win in a European clay court tournament in 10 years?
Just something we are all guilty of a some point.
By the way, congratualtions to Maria for working so hard for so many years, when she could have just taken the money from all her endorsements and run.
Hopefully, he and others will learn their lessons.
How many guys ended up being wrong on the NBA playoffs after one team blew out the other in a single game? Saying the loser had NO CHANCE. How many people said Serena Williams was the favorite at the French after one win in a European clay court tournament in 10 years?
Just something we are all guilty of a some point.
By the way, congratualtions to Maria for working so hard for so many years, when she could have just taken the money from all her endorsements and run.
dcdoorknob
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I was pretty sure you were incapable of admitting you were ever wrong about anything. Thanks for confirming. Sad really...
I never claimed Maria would win the AO. I merely claimed (in 2010, and later) that she would win another major. You refuted this quite verbosely, as you always do, and you were wrong. Is that so hard to admit?
For me It was never about wanting Maria to win another slam (she is far from my favorite player), it was about me thinking she probably would win another slam. It was an opinion that was formed not as an afterthought to try and support what I wanted to happen, but with an actual attempt to be objective about what is most likely to happen. The concept seems foreign to you. You did not think the same thing, and there is plenty of evidence to prove this. You were wrong. But you somehow feel the need to twist this around in some way so that you don't have to admit it and you can laugh at the people who were actually right. Weird really.
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dcdoorknob
Hall of Fame
This doesn't work either. The OP claimed Sharapova would never win another major. To take the opposite viewpoint, all one has to do is think that Sharapova would win at least one more major. The fact that she didn't win a number of other majors is inconsequential to the fact that she has now won one.
Maria not winning any individual major in the past was never enough to prove someone wrong who thought she would win at least one more. Only her permanent retirement would have done that. However, she has now won one and proven those who thought that she wouldn't completely wrong.
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NadalAgassi
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The OP admitted he was wrong, unlike most of the cowards in this thread like The Master of Fail who runs and hides from every wrong prediction. That should already be enough to satisfy the complainers.
BTW I did not definitively state Maria would not win another major, and even stated only due to the very weak womens game she probably would. I only came on this thread to laugh at the posters who declared her a guaranteed winner when she reached the semis of the 3 slams she did before this one, and was right with flying colors on that, (whereas I conceded like all others she was pretty much a lock this time around due to the abysmal final 4).
It was the dream draw because Maria didn't have to play any of the other top players except Kvitova.
That's an amazing break for her.
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Yes. It was a big opportunity for a lot of players and Sharapova took it.
Is that really true. Seems hard to believe.
This thread is hilarious. Thundervolley never believed Maria would ever win another slam. The same goes for NadalAgassi(Davey25) who also said Nole would never win Wimbledon. Now they want to twist everything they have said in the past years just to save face.
how patethic, how embarrassing !
how patethic, how embarrassing !
A perennial Quarterfinalist who lived up to nothing. A mediocre talent at best, definitely more talented with all those ATP 250 titles.
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NadalAgassi(Davey25), quote me what I've stated everything above. That's right you can't because that isn't true.
However, everyone knows you made a thread(got deleted) about Serena will end with 20 slams by 2013.
DFTW also quoted it you multiple times about you claiming Nole will never beat Nadal on grass and win Wimbledon.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5903071&postcount=25
I think Serena's final slam tally will be something from 18-27. My best guess is 24 or 25 though.
NadalAgassi(Davey25), quote me what I've stated everything above. That's right you can't because that isn't true.
However, everyone knows you made a thread(got deleted) about Serena will end with 20 slams by 2013.
DFTW also quoted it you multiple times about you claiming Nole will never beat Nadal on grass and win Wimbledon.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5903071&postcount=25
I think Serena's final slam tally will be something from 18-27. My best guess is 24 or 25 though.
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purple-n-gold
Hall of Fame
Close thread...OPSU
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
...because you still fail to understand there is no contradiction in criticism and picks for titles. Thanks for proving how thick you are.
Reading comprehension a problem? I was referring to my own prediction about Sharapova at the AO--not yours, and how I wanted the veteran to win, which kills your johnny-come-lately/FO claim you are now backpedaling away from. Gee, I wonder why. Actually, there's no need to wonder: you were trying to play "gotcha," but when I revealed a detail you missed about my AO pick (while in the same breath claiming to know more about my posts--odd indeed), suddenly, you entire rant goes limp.
This is what happens when certain TW kids try so hard to play "gotcha."
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Some other failed predictions by TMF`:
-Nadal would never win another slam made in late 2009. He has only won another 4 since.
-Federer would win the Grand Slam in 2010, made in April 2010. He hasnt won another slam since.
-As already mentioned that Maria would win French Open 2011, Wimbledon 2011, Australian Open 2012. Wrong on all.
-Wozniacki would be beating Serena on hard courts once they started to play (haha only a complete loser with the brain of a rock like The Master of Fail and his 40 aliases would ever make this one).
-Wozniacki was only getting better and was on her way to winning a slam soon.
-Soderling was going to beat Nadal at the French Open next time they met again, made in late 2011.
-Roddick, Hewitt, and Nalbandian are all better than Laver. Oops The Master of Fail will claim you cant prove this one wrong.
-Todays college swimmers are greater than Mark Spitz since they swim much faster times than he did. OK I will stop and not embarass The Master of Fail further, wouldnt want him to slit his wrists again.
I could go on forever but I would run out of space. There is a reason this poster (well his main alias) is known as The Master of Fail.
By the way sorry one of your 40 TW usernames MotherMarjorie is banned so you are unable to celebrate under your biggest Mariatard alias. So sad.
Quoted for truth.
dcdoorknob
Hall of Fame
It's against my better judgement, but I've got some free time so I'll try one more time.
You said this:
Do you still believe this to be true, or were you wrong? It took 3 years (2 years after you wrote this) and lots of setbacks, but it doesn't seem to me that Maria ever quit even when things didn't come easy for her.
You said this:
Do you still believe this to be true, or were you wrong? She's #1 in the world now, and just won a slam. Do you still believe that her game is no threat, and all the 'newcomers' have her completely figured out? They have a strange way of showing it.
You said this:
Do you still believe this to be true, or were you wrong?
Just because you later chose to root for her in 2012 doesn't mean you weren't wrong about her in 2010 or 2011.
You said this:
Do you still believe this to be true, or were you wrong? It took 3 years (2 years after you wrote this) and lots of setbacks, but it doesn't seem to me that Maria ever quit even when things didn't come easy for her.
You said this:
Do you still believe this to be true, or were you wrong? She's #1 in the world now, and just won a slam. Do you still believe that her game is no threat, and all the 'newcomers' have her completely figured out? They have a strange way of showing it.
You said this:
Do you still believe this to be true, or were you wrong?
Just because you later chose to root for her in 2012 doesn't mean you weren't wrong about her in 2010 or 2011.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Making easily shattered charges is going against your better judgement. However, you tossed said judgement out of the window because you have an axe to grind. On that note, you should accept any response coming your way without complaint.
Kvitiova and Azarenka (both troubled at present) are among the newcomers and both defeated Sharapova in majors finals--where it counted most. They had her figured out in key matches, so your point is...?
Exactly, there was no point.
To reiterate:
I've already told you that many criticisms of MS still stand, as she is a flawed player (being one with a historically poor understanding of net play is not a good thing no matter how you cut it), but I still picked her in the past two majors against the newcomers you are criticizing for her increasing veteran status, which in sports years, is not time-friendly. Somehow, you're looking for some sort of admission, where I have no need to to such a thing.
Still, I find it telling you are harping on this Sharapova nonsense, yet I do not see you trolling other members for the same (particularly one in this thread known for making near endless predictions of no merit).
Telling indeed.
dcdoorknob
Hall of Fame
I assure you I have a very low opinion of this other poster to which you are referring. But I am "harping" on this Sharapova stuff because this thread is *gasp* about Sharapova. Imagine that.
I find it telling that you want to bring up other stuff that has nothing to do with the topic (and another poster who has nothing to do with anything) in order to deflect attention from the actual topic. Telling indeed.
You chose one of the three quotes and attempted to address it (Nevermind that Maria just beat one of the two names you brought up 3 and 3 this FO). What about the other two?
Nevermind. I don't care enough. I posted in here in 2010 and 2011 saying that I thought Maria would win another slam. You posted in direct response to me a several times pointing out all her flaws (when I never even denied they existed) in order to make the point that she wouldn't. Now she's won a slam. You still don't feel you were wrong even though you were. That's fine. I don't care enough anymore. It isn't, wasn't and never will be worth it to converse with you about anything, so I'll quit now. Have a nice life. You can respond but I won't read it, unless perhaps someone else quotes it for you.
I find it telling that you want to bring up other stuff that has nothing to do with the topic (and another poster who has nothing to do with anything) in order to deflect attention from the actual topic. Telling indeed.
You chose one of the three quotes and attempted to address it (Nevermind that Maria just beat one of the two names you brought up 3 and 3 this FO). What about the other two?
Nevermind. I don't care enough. I posted in here in 2010 and 2011 saying that I thought Maria would win another slam. You posted in direct response to me a several times pointing out all her flaws (when I never even denied they existed) in order to make the point that she wouldn't. Now she's won a slam. You still don't feel you were wrong even though you were. That's fine. I don't care enough anymore. It isn't, wasn't and never will be worth it to converse with you about anything, so I'll quit now. Have a nice life. You can respond but I won't read it, unless perhaps someone else quotes it for you.
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NadalAgassi
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We need to close this thread immediately as Maria Sharapova can win more and more grand slams
jamesblakefan#1 can you open your big big eyes and accept the fact...
This thread shouldnt be closed. We would lose out on the years of epic fail predictions and claims by The Master of Fail, MotherMarjorie, and this posters 38 other aliases (along with a few other over the top Povatards), and the cowardly nature of this poster and its 40 aliases to ever confess to the hundreds of times they were wrong. Contrary to what this rock brained poster claims the only one who definitively predicted Maria to never win another slam was the OP who has already confessed to being wrong, hardly looking bad as he is still smarter than 95% of the people (well 80% once we count TMF all all his usernames as one person) in this thread, and it took several years for him to have one prediction wrong, vs the dozens accumulated by others in this very thread alone.
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