Grigollif1
Semi-Pro
Uau.. you guys really are looking for drama anywhere you can get it , han..
From my experience, I have played with a player that grunts very loud and when I'm playing him , I actually get even more focus and into the match due to his granting... is like a wake up call... hehe, it makes me want to surpasss him even more.
From my experience, I have played with a player that grunts very loud and when I'm playing him , I actually get even more focus and into the match due to his granting... is like a wake up call... hehe, it makes me want to surpasss him even more.
The tennis guy
Hall of Fame
Grigollif1 said:
Are you sure the player you were playing screaming with 102 db which is lounder than 10,000 fans yelling in a stadium?
BeautyVenus
New User
Martina Navratilova is a star f.u.c.k.e.r. this woman will do anything to get into the news. I can see why Amelie Mauresmo doesn't like her. Its obvious Martina would say space aliens would be good for tennis if it would get her into the news. The woman has no class and no dignity. Why doesn't this 600 year old dinosaur just retire and go away. Chris Evert let the game got married and had three wonderful children. Chris runs a tennis academy. Martina has nothing going on in her like so she talks BS.
breakfast_of_champions
Banned
Max G. said:
funny thing is, it never bothered martina until seles started beatng her. martina whined everytime she lost. and thank god seles did start beating that shemale.
BeautyVenus said:
Mmmm, excellent. Let's ignore those who have played the sport at the elite level for decades. Let's ignore those who've been a spokesperson for the sport. Let's ignore people who have all the money and fame they could ever need, but still choose to be a part of the sport they know & love, giving back to it.
And instead, let's listen to you. Yeah, that's an idea.
BeautyVenus
New User
And why should anyone listen to you? This argument goes in circles and grunting is going to stay. Grunting is an important part of tennis its how a player breathes. If a player can't handle the grunting maybe he or she shouldn't be a tennis player. You are supposed to be paying attention to the match and focus on that. I don't see how grunting affects that.Martina is almost 50 years old she obviously has got nothing better to do that's why she's *****ing about the younger players. As Maria Sharapova said she isn't going to stop grunting for anybody. So no matter how much Martina gripes about it grunting is here to stay.
BeautfyVenus,
Bull.
If Roger Federer doesn't need to scream to be number 1, then no-one does. It's pure BS. Sharapova isn't breathing when she screams -- she's screaming on purpose.
I also noticed that Nadal grunted very loudly when playing at Wimbledon. Since Federer was almost completely silent, this seems like gamesmanship to me. I can't believe that he's whacking every ball so hard that he needs to grunt that loud.
Bull.
If Roger Federer doesn't need to scream to be number 1, then no-one does. It's pure BS. Sharapova isn't breathing when she screams -- she's screaming on purpose.
I also noticed that Nadal grunted very loudly when playing at Wimbledon. Since Federer was almost completely silent, this seems like gamesmanship to me. I can't believe that he's whacking every ball so hard that he needs to grunt that loud.
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hingiskournikovasharapova
Guest
It's obvious this has nothing to do with grunting, and everything to do with Sharapova. There's a lot of petty jealousies from the WTA players, especially when they see Sharapova making more money from a single fashion appearance fee or watch/camera promotion than they'll make grinding out a year playing tennis.
If we're gonna single out Sharapova for "cheating", then we need to ban these other cheaters too:
- Nadal, for repeatedly violating the time clock before serving
- Djokovic, for bouncing the ball 20 times before serving (a distraction that throws off the opponent's timing)
- every pro that has used bathroom breaks to halt momentum during critical moments
- every pro that has used injury timeouts to halt momentum during critical moments
- Mauresmo, for having Y chromosomes and playing in the WTA
- the French Open crowd that created such a hostile environment for anyone playing against French players (if you think Sharapova screaming at you is tough, try 15,000 rude Parisians!)
- Steffi Graf, for inspiring a psychopath to stab your top rival (stabbing your opponent truly is cheating!)
If we're gonna single out Sharapova for "cheating", then we need to ban these other cheaters too:
- Nadal, for repeatedly violating the time clock before serving
- Djokovic, for bouncing the ball 20 times before serving (a distraction that throws off the opponent's timing)
- every pro that has used bathroom breaks to halt momentum during critical moments
- every pro that has used injury timeouts to halt momentum during critical moments
- Mauresmo, for having Y chromosomes and playing in the WTA
- the French Open crowd that created such a hostile environment for anyone playing against French players (if you think Sharapova screaming at you is tough, try 15,000 rude Parisians!)
- Steffi Graf, for inspiring a psychopath to stab your top rival (stabbing your opponent truly is cheating!)
Sounds fine to me. It also seemed that he purposefully grunted loudly at Wimbledon (Federer was completely silent, and hitting as hard as Nadal).hingiskournikovasharapova said:
Fine.
I would say fine, but if you gotta go you gotta go. There should be an allocated number of bathroom breaks in a game, e.g., 1 allowed between each set. How many times can you have to pee during a max 5-hour period?
Fine, if it's clearly gamesmanship.
A ridiculous jab at the woman. Also completely out of line with the main point.
I'd agree; they should stop the play until the crowd behaves.
Ridiculous.
L
Lee
Guest
hingiskournikovasharapova said:
You have blown this discussion out of the proportion, my friend. What you said about Mauresmo is just fu@ked up, buddy.
jonolau
Legend
End of the day, tennis is a beautiful game. As with all sports, gamesmanship is what upholds the honour of a game. If that is violated and not upheld, one can imagine what a slugfest it will turn out to be.
Yes, money is important for survival, but true gamesmanship must never be compromised for financial gain.
Yes, money is important for survival, but true gamesmanship must never be compromised for financial gain.
tennishack
New User
please no more shrieks, i agree, i do not enjoy watching her anymore as well because of this. That and her game is so one dimensional and boring. I also kind of like the spanking D70 mentioned as punsihment ha ha
prostaff18
Semi-Pro
No More!!!
The noise that Sharapova makes is not grunting it is screaming. What she dose is annoying and I, along with many others, don’t watch her matches just because of the noise. What Nadal dose is fine, it's not that bad. I have found in matches that if the person has a low-pitched grunt then I don’t even notice it. On the other hand when I play against people that have a scream, it really throws me off. Also when I play in tournaments if someone on a court next to me is screaming loud it throws me off more than if my opponent was doing it.
The noise that Sharapova makes is not grunting it is screaming. What she dose is annoying and I, along with many others, don’t watch her matches just because of the noise. What Nadal dose is fine, it's not that bad. I have found in matches that if the person has a low-pitched grunt then I don’t even notice it. On the other hand when I play against people that have a scream, it really throws me off. Also when I play in tournaments if someone on a court next to me is screaming loud it throws me off more than if my opponent was doing it.
hingiskournikovasharapova said:
Others have said it, but i'm going to say it too. Maybe if enough people say it, you'll listen. You made 7 points to backup your argument, I applaud you for that. So many people here (and everywhere) *never* backup things they say. 5 of the points you made were reasonable to excellent.
BUT two of them were ridiculous and in many ways offensive. So instead of focussing on your argument, people just get mad at your post or indeed want to ignore it because of the silly minority of your points....
Oh - and having a player's name in your username is pretty much a giveaway that you're likely to defend that players' actions, and pretty much means your defence should be even more sound to be listened to, or people will just dismiss it as 'fan' talk.
Condoleezza
Banned
hingiskournikovasharapova said:
I don't agree with the last one.
Graf inspired so many people, had probably more fans than any other player ever had. Still holds the record for marriage proposals by fans (according to AO officials). So the odds were heavily in her favour that she would be the first player to inspire someone to stab an opponent.
Condi
PS: Grunting (Muster, Nadal, Serena) should be allowed - but screaming (Seles, Sharapova) not.
Condoleezza
Banned
BeautyVenus said:
That coming from a Venus fan .....
Condi
Condoleezza
Banned
breakfast_of_champions said:
Seles has a staggering 10-7 head-to-head against a mid-30ies old Navratilova, lost her last match against Martina in spring 1993 .....
Condi
siber222000
Semi-Pro
sharapova was like... screaming that match.... well at least i believe she was, and imagine how quiet tennis is gonna be if everyone have a emotion like roger federer *oops he doesn't have one while he plays* lol
uxnaitoahz
Rookie
The ATP and WTA should have a fine for grunting:
WTA and ATP players must pay $1,000 everytime they grunt. The fee increases to $5,000 per grunt after the 100th grunt. This fee may be paid prior to the match. Methods of Payment accepted are PayPal, Discover, Visa, and Cash.
WTA and ATP players must pay $1,000 everytime they grunt. The fee increases to $5,000 per grunt after the 100th grunt. This fee may be paid prior to the match. Methods of Payment accepted are PayPal, Discover, Visa, and Cash.
cruise30166
New User
It's gamesmanship. Or, in this case gameswomanship.
Why don't some of the other woman use it on her in reverse?
How about yelling "BEEEEEOOTTTCCCCHHHHH" after they hit back to Maria.
Why don't some of the other woman use it on her in reverse?
How about yelling "BEEEEEOOTTTCCCCHHHHH" after they hit back to Maria.
Frodo Baggins
Semi-Pro
When Pro's do it >it's sexy I love it!!!! (Such a turn on for me to here my faves Grunt and moan) Maybe when I'm in Montreal next summer for tournament .I'll ask my faves to grunt and moan more often.. while I'm there!!!! So if you hear Moya,Or Gasquet or davide sanguinetti, or Ferrero Moan and grunt more then usual>(You'll know it was me) >Ban the women shrieks but never the men!!! (loves it when Men players grunt and moan) mmm turn me on!!!
>Ban the women shrieks but never the men!!! (loves it when Men players grunt and moan) mmm turn me on!!!sandiegotennisboy
Banned
i want a ban on old people playing the game. nav is too old and makes the field look feeble. she is ruining the game's image. she should have stayed retired.
tennisprofl
Semi-Pro
it should be banned cause its annoying and distracting if your close by or playing them
jonolau
Legend
Sometimes during social games, there will be a bunch of us clowns that get together for a game of doubles, and the order of the day are war cries, spoofy grunts & shrieks ... and not surprisingly, the ones who win are the loudest because the rest of us would be rolling on the court in sheer hysterics!
Polaris
Hall of Fame
Interesting post, Rabbit. I wonder which way the scales will tilt - Will most players start shreiking their lungs out because some players are doing it, or will someone become annoyed enough to complain to the umpire about shreiking? My guess is that sooner or later, someone will be ticked off by Sharapova or Serena Williams or any shreiking player and complain. If one person complains, it sets a precedent, even if the complaint elicits no response from the umpire. If one player complains, it could open the way for others.Rabbit said:
Jack Romeo
Professional
" the williams sisters don't make noise when they play each other"
- not true. 1999 miami final, there were some points when both were screaming really loud. they don't do it on every point though. serena in particular seems to grunt louder when the points are bigger (like in the 2nd set of the 2002 wimbledon final) or when she's trying to come from behind (like in the 2001 us open final). the loudest i heard venus grunt in a williams-williams match was probably at the 2002 us open final. an aside, i once saw serena squeal as she executed a drop shot (i just don't remember if she was playing venus).
with regards to the whole grunting ban, i really don't think we'll be seeing any ban. navratilova states that loud grunting distracts a player like her who likes to come to net. but isn't attacking the net the strategy that amelie mauresmo employed in her win over sharapova at wimbledon? she never complained did she? how many times did navratilova complain about seles' grunting when they were playing? once. she beat seles 7 times (out of 17 matches) and she never complained those times. she even frequently praised seles when she would lose to her.
another instance of a player complaining about grunting was in 2001 in san diego when jennifer capriati complained about seles' squeals. out of all the times they played each other, this was the only time capriati ever complained. needless to say, she lost the match. seles retorted that she did not grunt any differently from any of their past matches, including the ones she lost to jennifer. it didn't make sense to monica that it bothered capriati this one time, but not the other times.
after that match, other top players in that tournament were asked if they thought something should be done about grunting. lindsay davenport said that players "are free to breath as they see fit." in other words, she wasn't in favor of imposing any ban on grunting. venus williams was also asked about grunting, and she, not surprisingly, defended the practice. she also acknowledged that other players like her own sister can get pretty loud with their grunting but it doesn't bother her because she can still focus on the ball.
with all that being said, personally, i don't really care if players grunt or not as long as it is not too loud. there are a whole lot of players who grunt these days but they're all tolerable. but sharapova really has taken this noise to a new level. i think 100+ db is definitely too loud. i'm not sure if there should be a limit to the decibel level and if there is, what that level should be. if i'm not mistaken, seles used to be measured at 90 db the time navratilova and tauziat complained about her grunting. she averaged about 70-80 db. but i also noticed she didn't really grunt that loud anymore since she came back from the stabbing.
- not true. 1999 miami final, there were some points when both were screaming really loud. they don't do it on every point though. serena in particular seems to grunt louder when the points are bigger (like in the 2nd set of the 2002 wimbledon final) or when she's trying to come from behind (like in the 2001 us open final). the loudest i heard venus grunt in a williams-williams match was probably at the 2002 us open final. an aside, i once saw serena squeal as she executed a drop shot (i just don't remember if she was playing venus).
with regards to the whole grunting ban, i really don't think we'll be seeing any ban. navratilova states that loud grunting distracts a player like her who likes to come to net. but isn't attacking the net the strategy that amelie mauresmo employed in her win over sharapova at wimbledon? she never complained did she? how many times did navratilova complain about seles' grunting when they were playing? once. she beat seles 7 times (out of 17 matches) and she never complained those times. she even frequently praised seles when she would lose to her.
another instance of a player complaining about grunting was in 2001 in san diego when jennifer capriati complained about seles' squeals. out of all the times they played each other, this was the only time capriati ever complained. needless to say, she lost the match. seles retorted that she did not grunt any differently from any of their past matches, including the ones she lost to jennifer. it didn't make sense to monica that it bothered capriati this one time, but not the other times.
after that match, other top players in that tournament were asked if they thought something should be done about grunting. lindsay davenport said that players "are free to breath as they see fit." in other words, she wasn't in favor of imposing any ban on grunting. venus williams was also asked about grunting, and she, not surprisingly, defended the practice. she also acknowledged that other players like her own sister can get pretty loud with their grunting but it doesn't bother her because she can still focus on the ball.
with all that being said, personally, i don't really care if players grunt or not as long as it is not too loud. there are a whole lot of players who grunt these days but they're all tolerable. but sharapova really has taken this noise to a new level. i think 100+ db is definitely too loud. i'm not sure if there should be a limit to the decibel level and if there is, what that level should be. if i'm not mistaken, seles used to be measured at 90 db the time navratilova and tauziat complained about her grunting. she averaged about 70-80 db. but i also noticed she didn't really grunt that loud anymore since she came back from the stabbing.
Golden Retriever
Hall of Fame
She came from a communist country.....................whatelse do you expect?
uxnaitoahz
Rookie
Golden Retriever said:
HAHA... LOOK EVERYONE IS LAUGHING WITH YOU... NOT.
You are an ignorant pig. USSR is communist. Russia is NOT. She came here when she was a little girl. She is practically American. Don't be a hater.
