Mikeler's Multis

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julian

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middle of the range +2 ?

mikeler said:
Just picked up a pack of X1 Biphase at 30% off. I'm wondering if my lower tension of 50 will allow it to play better for longer. This time I'll track tension loss with RacquetTune.
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I do NOT understand the choice of tension
Is the range 53-63 pounds?
If so the the middle of range plus 2 would be 60 pounds,not 50 pounds
Where did I goof?
 
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mikeler

mikeler

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julian said:
I do NOT understand the choice of tension
Is the range 53-63 pounds?
If so the the middle of range plus 2 would be 60 pounds,not 50 pounds
Where did I goof?
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I don't care about recommended tension. This racket has a flex rating of 52. I had to go down in tension to get some pop on my shots.
 
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sstchur

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Ronaldo said:
Before breakage or loss of tension, The Dead Zone?
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No, I meant I break in about a week, or maybe two, depending on how many times per week I play. 6 to 8 hours is about all I can expect. For that duration, Gamma Pro holds tension well enough for me. Towards the tail end, I do notice a slightly more "flying" but typically it's a small adjustment for me and doesn't bother me.

Interestingly, I did not used to break strings that often when I used the Fischer Pro One (I got probably 1 1/2 to 2 times as much life). But these days, I'm using the Gamma T-7 (I have 7 of them and absolutely love them). But for whatever reason, my style of play w/ that racquet is recipe for breaking strings.
 
mikeler

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sstchur said:
No, I meant I break in about a week, or maybe two, depending on how many times per week I play. 6 to 8 hours is about all I can expect. For that duration, Gamma Pro holds tension well enough for me. Towards the tail end, I do notice a slightly more "flying" but typically it's a small adjustment for me and doesn't bother me.

Interestingly, I did not used to break strings that often when I used the Fischer Pro One (I got probably 1 1/2 to 2 times as much life). But these days, I'm using the Gamma T-7 (I have 7 of them and absolutely love them). But for whatever reason, my style of play w/ that racquet is recipe for breaking strings.
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Try an Exo Tour 16x18...
 
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sstchur

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mikeler said:
Try an Exo Tour 16x18...
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I've loathed every Prince I've ever tried with O ports. I know a lot of folks that used to use the T-7 moved to the Prince OZone Tour (specs are nearly identical, but most people thought the Prince was better). But I demo'd it and thought it was a miserable frame.

I also demoed the Exo Tour (don't remember which pattern) but hated that as well. It was strung w/ a poly though, and I also hate polys.

But I don't even like demoing anymore. The T-7 is the first time ever that, when I lose, I don't even consider questioning the racquet. I just know it's the ideal racquet for my style of play. I don't see myself switching anytime soon. I have 7 of them and a boat load of replacement grommet sets for them.
 
mikeler

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sstchur said:
I've loathed every Prince I've ever tried with O ports. I know a lot of folks that used to use the T-7 moved to the Prince OZone Tour (specs are nearly identical, but most people thought the Prince was better). But I demo'd it and thought it was a miserable frame.

I also demoed the Exo Tour (don't remember which pattern) but hated that as well. It was strung w/ a poly though, and I also hate polys.

But I don't even like demoing anymore. The T-7 is the first time ever that, when I lose, I don't even consider questioning the racquet. I just know it's the ideal racquet for my style of play. I don't see myself switching anytime soon. I have 7 of them and a boat load of replacement grommet sets for them.
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The Exo Tour is a unique frame. I hated the 18x20 but the 16x18 is good enough for me. I'm having problems with my forehand lately using it but it could be due to the new strings.


Chotobaka said:
Mike, are you playing with the original grip? I've been wondering how it would play with a leather grip or leather grip+over-grip. Might be the perfect addition.
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I bought 3 stock Exos a few months ago. A few weeks ago, I bought a used one with a leather grip and lead tape. I tried it out but did not like the balance. So I ordered a new replacement grip from TW, ripped off the lead tape and played with the leather grip a few times while I waited for it to come in. It plays better for me stock with no customization.
 
mikeler

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I broke the Genesis Hex Comfort today. It was 5-5 in a tiebreak and I won the point but the shot I won it on felt weird. When I looked down, the string had unsheathed much like MCS. Here I am up 6-5 in a breaker knowing this string will blow any hit. It went on the return of serve! I still won the point though, whew...

All in all, I got 5 singles sets and 3 doubles sets out of it. It is a soft string but the spin was just average. I did not play all that well with it unfortunately.
 
Chotobaka

Chotobaka

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mikeler said:
I bought 3 stock Exos a few months ago. A few weeks ago, I bought a used one with a leather grip and lead tape. I tried it out but did not like the balance. So I ordered a new replacement grip from TW, ripped off the lead tape and played with the leather grip a few times while I waited for it to come in. It plays better for me stock with no customization.
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Thanks for the feedback, Mike. I recently strung up a friend's Exo 16x18 with Volkl V-Icon 17g natural gut at 57 pounds. I took it for a spin in our last hitting session and it played great -- significantly better than the multi-strung demos I've used on and off recently. Really great bite, as you would expect with 17g gut and the 16x18 pattern, with all the feel and comfort one could ask for. By far the best set up I have felt on his racquet, if I do say so myself. :)
 
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ArliHawk

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Nostradamus said:
Mike , what multi goes well with super stiff rackets like Aero pro drive 2013 ?
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Two Multis to try in this are:

1. Prince Premier Attack 16

2. Head RIP Control 17. The 17 of this string feels great, the 16 not so much.

These are my 2 favorite strings in the aforementioned racket.
 
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ArliHawk said:
Two Multis to try in this are:

1. Prince Premier Attack 16

2. Head RIP Control 17. The 17 of this string feels great, the 16 not so much.

These are my 2 favorite strings in the aforementioned racket.
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Is the 17g RIP Control springy like the 16g?
 
mikeler

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Ronaldo said:
Unaware there is a 16g version. Have a couple sets of Prince Premier w/Softflex and also some Zyex strings to try before ordering more string.
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I'll be curious to hear about the Prince. I've got Ashaway Dynamite Tough in the closet which will be my first trip with Zyex. Which Zyex strings are you getting ready to test?
 
Ronaldo

Ronaldo

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mikeler said:
I'll be curious to hear about the Prince. I've got Ashaway Dynamite Tough in the closet which will be my first trip with Zyex. Which Zyex strings are you getting ready to test?
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The old Prince Premier. Need to string it lower like a poly. Hope my elbow agrees with it.
 
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Ronaldo said:
The old Prince Premier. Need to string it lower like a poly. Hope my elbow agrees with it.
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How much lower will you go? I'm thinking of string the Dynamite at 45 pounds since that falls in the recommended 10-15% tension reduction recommendation.
 
Ronaldo

Ronaldo

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mikeler said:
How much lower will you go? I'm thinking of string the Dynamite at 45 pounds since that falls in the recommended 10-15% tension reduction recommendation.
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Just under 50#, currently use Acura Control at 55#. Are you stringing one or two-piece?
 
rafafan20

rafafan20

Professional
Just got done with the TF x-one biphase and got a different result from mikeler. Even strung at 54 I got uncontrollable power. This is the third multi I've tried recently and the only one I had to cut out. IMO RIP Control and Yonex Tour Super 850 are both far superior strings in the control, spin and feel departments.
 
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rafafan20 said:
Just got done with the TF x-one biphase and got a different result from mikeler. Even strung at 54 I got uncontrollable power. This is the third multi I've tried recently and the only one I had to cut out. IMO RIP Control and Yonex Tour Super 850 are both far superior strings in the control, spin and feel departments.
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I had my X1 strung at 60. It was amazing the first match, OK the 2nd match and downright awful after that. What racket did you have it in?
 
mikeler

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rafafan20 said:
TF Tfight 320... the 16x19 may have attributed to the complete lack of control
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I'm going to try X1 again but this time prestretch it like crazy. Even though I've been stringing everything else at 50 in the Exo Tour, I might go back up to 60 for X1.
 
ricki

ricki

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mikeler said:
I'm going to try X1 again but this time prestretch it like crazy. Even though I've been stringing everything else at 50 in the Exo Tour, I might go back up to 60 for X1.
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Hi, is X1 same as was "X-tra dynamic biphase 1,28"?

I purchased set of this X-tra dynamic (visually it looks same as X1) and I strung it into my Rebel 98 at 26 kg.

Bouncing ball it felt very good, I was really looking for trying it for real.

When I hit it 1st time on court it was pure chaos. NO (ABSOLUTELY NO) feel of pocketing, it was like a board with tremendous pop. I couldnt put any serve in because it has ZERO spin and rocket-power.

I play with something between semi-w and western forehand and I couldnt get the ball safely over net without it going long.

My worst experience ever - its not worth 1$.
 
mikeler

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ricki said:
Hi, is X1 same as was "X-tra dynamic biphase 1,28"?

I purchased set of this X-tra dynamic (visually it looks same as X1) and I strung it into my Rebel 98 at 26 kg.

Bouncing ball it felt very good, I was really looking for trying it for real.

When I hit it 1st time on court it was pure chaos. NO (ABSOLUTELY NO) feel of pocketing, it was like a board with tremendous pop. I couldnt put any serve in because it has ZERO spin and rocket-power.

I play with something between semi-w and western forehand and I couldnt get the ball safely over net without it going long.

My worst experience ever - its not worth 1$.
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That sounds like a knockoff string to me but I've never seen that string name before.
 
mikeler

mikeler

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I was on a 4 match losing streak heading into my match last night. So I pulled out the Genesis Multi Max racket and another racket with the DM in it. The plan was to hit a few balls with the prototype in the warm up and then put it back in the bag. That plan never came to fruition.

While the first 2 prototypes were lackluster, this one is a home run. It reminded me of my first outing with X1. The string just inspired confidence in my shots. Power was great, spin was really good, comfort was there, had a nice crisp feel, string movement was average, touch was great. The list goes on. We shall see how it performs in terms of durability and tension maintenance.
 
Frankc

Frankc

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Great thread to follow - good stuff to consider

Thanks, Mikeler,
I enjoy the older, softer, smaller frames of the past and , as you know, tried the mantis CS after following your posts. As an old schooler with neutral grips, flat shots, and a love of feel, the MCS was a joy at moderate tensions - stable yet great pocketing. Worked great on a larger stiffer modern frame - tighter stringing - low powered but still good pocketing for some feel and less power.
Another option, at least for me, is a hybrid of MCS mains and a soft multi cross (Head Fibregel 16) - softens the MCS a bit and reminds me very much at mid tensions like natural gut in the past before the stiffening of recent years. For the feel - spectacular in a 90, 18X20, softer vintage frame - the feeling is a visit to the past where string power and feel allowed a moderately powered frame a remarkable variety of solid response across the stringbed.
This thread and others are great for those of us who really want to enjoy the game.
 
mikeler

mikeler

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Thanks Frank! I broke the Genesis Multi Max after 4 sets of singles. It broke exactly like MCS. Once the outer sheath broke, the string did not last much longer. I think the string is MCS with a different gray coating. Time to string up Tier One Triumph.
 
mikeler

mikeler

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Just strung up the Triumph. Took 36 minutes of stringing time while watching a football game. Super easy to string up. Seems pretty resistant to string movement too. Ball bounce test it feels nice. Next after this one will be Dunlop DNA.
 
mikeler

mikeler

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The B Power prototype broke in my warm up this AM when I was warming up my opponent and he was taking volleys. Kind of strange considering the string were barely notched and it was not a shank.

So I got to play 2 sets of singles and 1 set of dubs with Tier One Triumph. It is very similar to DM. It plays a little more crisp and the strings are harder to move with my fingers so I think the only difference is the coating.
 
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lynnbart

Rookie
The B Power was the first full multi that I've hit with in a really long time and felt nice in my PDR. But, it snapped really fast on me too. Right now I need a little more durability, but maybe some day...
 
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mikeler

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lynnbart said:
The B Power was the first full multi that I've hit with in a really long time and felt nice in my PDR. But, it snapped really fast on me too. Right now I need a little more durability, but maybe some day...
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I don't think that string is going to make the cut but we shall see. How long did it last for you?
 
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