s7evin
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Safin uses a Microgel
What are you talking about?
Safin uses a Microgel
K-90, seconded by the Aerogel AG200...(if you could call the AG200 a players stick)
Who cares 18,673 post man?
Lets get to that magical 20,000 posts hey!
PS85 St. Vincent: Overrated because of a particular player "preferred" it to other versions. Therefore since one of the greatest players ever used it the rest of the world thinks it's better than the latter versions. Again, different strokes for different folks. I "preferred" the Chinese version because it had more flex and was not jarring like the older models.
What I fail to understand is... if you think the original Max 200G is the best feeling/playing frame ever...still... why don't you use them on a regular basis? The frames are still available all over the net. I've got a few from fleabay that are close to mint (not interested selling them) for 50-60 dollars apiece.
there are few frames that have better feeling frames than my PT630 but can I play optimal with them? not really, the PS85 along with the PC600 and the Max200G all have nice feeling frames but they all share small size heads which I sometimes misshit for my style of play at this stage of my tennis playing life. If I were more of a S/v then maybe I can use them but for now I am more of a baseline basher
anyway the Max 200G in mint condition are more over $300
No top ranked pro's bother with the 200g's anymore
And you know that how?
And since WHEN did most people on these boards give two pence about what the players use? Isn't the general consensus to use whatever the heck feels good and disregard if/what players use it?
Yonex RDX 500 mid by far. Couldn't do anything with it until I added a ton of lead tape, even then it was just OK at best.
And you know that how?
And since WHEN did most people on these boards give two pence about what the players use? Isn't the general consensus to use whatever the heck feels good and disregard if/what players use it?
You should hook up with Samster. He has one.In the 2.5 years I've lived in my current city, I have not seen a single other person use the RDX 500 Mid other than myself.
No top ranked pro's bother with the 200g's anymore
this was my favorit link to TWThe thing is a relic
this was my favorite link to TW
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/MW200G/MW200GReview.html
if you have a forehand like Graff or McEnroe then I do not see why not use this frame.
Yonex RDX 500 mid by far. Couldn't do anything with it until I added a ton of lead tape, even then it was just OK at best.
I don't really see how you not liking it makes it overrated. In the grand scheme, it never was a super popular racquet to begin with. I mean, it was pretty big on this board, but it wasn't used nearly as much as other players racquets by the general tennis playing populace. In the 2.5 years I've lived in my current city, I have not seen a single other person use the RDX 500 Mid other than myself.
I'll do you a favor and wash your hands of those ****ty PTs and treks for 20 bucks.
that is because not only dozens but almost all the frames that came out in the last 10 years or so are ................plastic Junk, is that a good enough reason, when you play the Max200G or frames from the 80's you will know what I am talking about and that is coming from a PT630 user that came out in the mid 90's after that it was pretty much down hill. with maybe one or two exceptionsI just can't see recommending 25 year old discontinued frames, especially to someonw who has never used it before. Why not just playtest the dozens of readily avaialble frames?
that is because not only dozens but almost all the frames that came out in the last 10 years or so are ................plastic Junk, is that a good enough reason, when you play the Max200G or frames from the 80's you will know what I am talking about and that is coming from a PT630 user that came out in the mid 90's after that it was pretty much down hill. with maybe one or two exceptions
Well, maybe I should have said it's the most overrated racquet on these boards then (at least one of them anyway)?
I didn't like anything about it. Too light, no power, no plow-through, no feel. I'm still amazed by how many guys here described the RDX 500 mid's feel as "buttery"? It felt stiff and tinny to me. If you want butter get a PC 600, C10 Pro, or a PT 630/280.
^^^what happened to your TF335s? I thought you were a die-hard TF man??
I just can't see recommending 25 year old discontinued frames, especially to someone who has never used it before. Why not just play-test the dozens of readily available frames?
I bought a PT 280 back when TW was selling them for $59. Same as you BP, I hit with it for 10 minutes and quickly got rid of it. Couldn't get any stick on my volleys with it, couldn't feel the ball on the strings with it, even with VS gut. I'm not knocking anyone who likes them, just wasn't for me.BB11 Mid.
BTW, I bought two PT280's back in the mid-90's. Played with one of them for 10 minutes and immediately sold both of them the following day. They felt like crap as compared to the Max 200G I used at the time. They felt "tinny", too light, unstable and anything but solid as compared to my Max 200G. Funny, as compared to today's modern racquets, the PT280 is now described as "solid", "smooth", "sweet feel", etc. I'd bet I'd probably feel the same way as others do now if I played with them again. That just goes to show how bad racquets have gotten over the past decade or so.
Any player's frame from the 80's. Regardless of the BS spewed forth on these forums, anything made in the 80's can not hold a candle to current technology. Anyone who states otherwise has not advanced their game since the 80's. I love the Pro Staff 85. Particularly the St. Vincent version. Its a wonderful frame for playing against 3.0 rated players in today's game. But even the greatest player since Bill Tilden (that would be the Mighty Fed) abandoned it for the K series of frames long ago.
I played in the 80's and yes the 80's frames have wonderful touch and feel. But not against the rocket shots that come off today's racquets strung with high tech co-polys. For goodness sake, grow up.
-k-
I wouldn't exactly call the K90 current technology. The K90 might as well have been made in 1985. It's got a really small head, weighs a damn ton, and you pretty much need to be a badass to play well with it. Really, it's not very much different from a PS85.
Grow up? To what? A Pure Drive? I own a pure drive and I play much better tennis with a POG, PC600, and a PT280. All frames from the apparently dreadful 80s. I can take the heat of any stupid APDC. Bring it.
I wouldn't exactly call the K90 current technology. The K90 might as well have been made in 1985. It's got a really small head, weighs a damn ton, and you pretty much need to be a badass to play well with it. Really, it's not very much different from a PS85.
Grow up? To what? A Pure Drive? I own a pure drive and I play much better tennis with a POG, PC600, and a PT280. All frames from the apparently dreadful 80s. I can take the heat of any stupid APDC. Bring it.
Wilson k6.1 tour. buy this and you can play like federer!
No top ranked pro's bother with the 200g's anymore
fed's k90
overrated
The K90 isn't just a paint job of 1985 technology.
You're kidding right? 90" head, Graphite(sorry Karophite :roll: )/Kevlar, PWS. What exactly about the K90 is new technology? Nothing is the right answer. You could paint this thing black and write "Prostaff 6.0 MidPlus" on it and have Marty McFly bring it back to 1985 and it would fit in the Wilson lineup like it had always been there.
Not every Junior is hitting with a Pure Drive. I see plenty of HS teams in my area with a pretty big Head Prestige (usually MP) following.
You realize that no one will make them anymore, right? The moulds were destroyed since the technology is so expensive. It is only being used in badminton racquets, if I am not mistaken. The last pro that used those, switched in 2000. I played with the MAX 200G and I stand here to tell you that they produce a shot more solid than anything that's ever been made to this day. Heck, if they were still making them, I would have never switched. Any other racquet feels like hitting with a thin sheet metal, compared to the MAX 200G. If there was a way for me to have to guess what racquet was cheaply made and what was put money in, just by hitting with eyes closed, I would always know when I hit with the MAX 200G and bet on it. And it seems that this was the thruth, because the injection moulding was way more expensive than any other technology used for tennis racquets to this day. It seems that putting more money into something does yield better results...
There are differences it you are interested I could email them to you offline.
Nah, that's ok, I don't care that much. I know there are subtle differences, but Wilson didn't do anything with the K90 they couldn't have done in 1980. I wouldn't call the K90 an evolution of the PS85 (aside from headsize) so much as a variation. Aside from the paintjob, the K90 is the most outdated frame for sale currently.
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I don't even know how this arguement got started. Someone said all frames from the 80s were over-rated and I called BS. I really only had the Head PC600 and PT280/630 in mind when I said this. Because both these frame are still very much relevant.