Nadal has never beaten two top5 in the last two rounds of a non-clay tournament

[Lew II]

Nadal has never won a title off clay by beating two top5 players in the semifinal and final, as he should to do to win the 2020 YEC.

Djokovic instead did it 11 times:

2007 Canada (Nadal, Federer)
2011 AO (Federer, Murray)
2011 IW (Federer, Nadal)
2011 UO (Federer, Nadal)
2012 AO (Murray, Nadal)
2013 AO (Ferrer, Murray)
2015 IW (Murray, Federer)
2015 Paris (Wawrinka, Murray)
2015 YEC (Nadal, Federer)
2016 AO (Federer, Murray)
2020 AO (Federer, Thiem)

 

[BackhandDTL]

Nadal has never won a title off clay by beating two top5 players in the semifinal and final, which he should to do to win the 2020 YEC.

Djokovic instead did it 11 times:

2007 Canada (Nadal, Federer)
2011 AO (Federer, Murray)
2011 IW (Federer, Nadal)
2011 UO (Federer, Nadal)
2012 AO (Murray, Nadal)
2013 AO (Ferrer, Murray)
2015 IW (Murray, Federer)
2015 Paris (Wawrinka, Murray)
2015 YEC (Nadal, Federer)
2016 AO (Federer, Murray)
2020 AO (Federer, Thiem)

“off clay”

classic

 

[Lew II]

“off clay”

classic

Yeah, the YEC is off clay.

 

[Breakpointerer]

what it tells us?

 

[Sysyphus]

what it tells us?

ftfy no need to thenk me

 

[Breakpointerer]

ftfy no need to thenk me

thenk u

 

[Tenacity]

what it tells us?

Nadal GOAT if he wins, if not back to exho meme tourny.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Yet another truth bomb

 

[Daniel Andrade]

Man this guy is a legend

 

[Lew II]

Federer 8 times:

2003 YEC (Roddick, Agassi)
2004 YEC (Safin, Hewitt)
2005 Wimbledon (Hewitt, Roddick)
2007 USO (Davydenko, Djokovic)
2009 Cincinnati (Murray, Djokovic)
2010 YEC (Djokovic, Nadal)
2012 Wimbledon (Djokovic, Murray)
2015 Cincinnati (Murray, Djokovic)

 

[Deleted member 775898]

Imagine being so obsessed to even look this stuff up. The wounds from FO20 haven't healed, haven't they ?

 

[StrongRule]

I wonder when will anyone find an argument against Nadal which doesn't start from the words "outside of clay".

 

[Bumbaliceps]

I wonder when will anyone find an argument against Nadal which doesn't start from the words "outside of clay".

You find a lot of arguments against him on clay !

 

[Lew II]

All surfaces:

DJOKOVIC 12 times

2007 Canada (Nadal, Federer)
2011 AO (Federer, Murray)
2011 IW (Federer, Nadal)
2011 Rome (Murray, Nadal)
2011 UO (Federer, Nadal)
2012 AO (Murray, Nadal)
2013 AO (Ferrer, Murray)
2015 IW (Murray, Federer)
2015 Paris (Wawrinka, Murray)
2015 YEC (Nadal, Federer)
2016 AO (Federer, Murray)
2020 AO (Federer, Thiem)

FEDERER 9 times:

2003 YEC (Roddick, Agassi)
2004 YEC (Safin, Hewitt)
2005 Wimbledon (Hewitt, Roddick)
2007 USO (Davydenko, Djokovic)
2009 Madrid (Del Potro, Nadal)
2009 Cincinnati (Murray, Djokovic)
2010 YEC (Djokovic, Nadal)
2012 Wimbledon (Djokovic, Murray)
2015 Cincinnati (Murray, Djokovic)

NADAL 8 times:

2006 RG (Ljubicic, Federer)
2008 MonteCarlo (Davydenko, Federer)
2008 Hamburg (Djokovic, Federer)
2008 RG (Djokovic, Federer)
2009 MonteCarlo (Murray, Djokovic)
2011 RG (Murray, Federer)
2013 RG (Djokovic, Ferrer)
2019 RG (Federer, Thiem)

 

[Lew II]

I wonder when will anyone find an argument against Nadal which doesn't start from the words "outside of clay".

I'm talking of his chances to win the 2020 YEC, which is held off clay.

 

[Lew II]

hardcourt: Djokovic 11, Federer 6, Nadal 0
clay: Nadal 8, Djokovic/Federer 1
grass: Federer 2, Djokovic/Nadal 0

 

[PeoplesChamp]

All surfaces:

DJOKOVIC 12 times

2007 Canada (Nadal, Federer)
2011 AO (Federer, Murray)
2011 IW (Federer, Nadal)
2011 Rome (Murray, Nadal)
2011 UO (Federer, Nadal)
2012 AO (Murray, Nadal)
2013 AO (Ferrer, Murray)
2015 IW (Murray, Federer)
2015 Paris (Wawrinka, Murray)
2015 YEC (Nadal, Federer)
2016 AO (Federer, Murray)
2020 AO (Federer, Thiem)

FEDERER 9 times:

2003 YEC (Roddick, Agassi)
2004 YEC (Safin, Hewitt)
2005 Wimbledon (Hewitt, Roddick)
2007 USO (Davydenko, Djokovic)
2009 Madrid (Del Potro, Nadal)
2009 Cincinnati (Murray, Djokovic)
2010 YEC (Djokovic, Nadal)
2012 Wimbledon (Djokovic, Murray)
2015 Cincinnati (Murray, Djokovic)

NADAL 8 times:

2006 RG (Ljubicic, Federer)
2008 MonteCarlo (Davydenko, Federer)
2008 Hamburg (Djokovic, Federer)
2008 RG (Djokovic, Federer)
2009 MonteCarlo (Murray, Djokovic)
2011 RG (Murray, Federer)
2013 RG (Djokovic, Ferrer)
2019 RG (Federer, Thiem)

Federer only one to do it across all 3 surfaces.

GOAT.

Indoor HC, Outdoor HC, grass and clay in fact.

 

[daggerman]

Well, if he does it this week, he'll have done it. If not, he could have chances in the future to do it.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

Feik Nuss. Meik Nadal Great Aghain.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

He's won a lot of non clay tournaments.
It's not his fault who he faces across the net.

 

[Lew II]

Told ya.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Prophetic thread

 

[Gerco]

Interesting

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Huh, I have been saying that for YEARS. Outside of clay Nadal NEEDS at least one lower tier opponent in the SF/F pair to be successful. That is one of the reasons why he hasn't been successful at the WTFs. There are only top tier opponents in that tournament, and most often have been two top 4 opponents in the SF/F pair.