Nadal - Let the French Open excuses begin

[cknobman]

dafinch, I would like to save you some time and headache if possible.

You cannot argue with stupidity.

 

[NADALRECORD]

Are you REALLY so clueless to think that a player should be cut some slack for playing long matches, thus "fatiguing" him for final?!?! Plus, you initially lied and said that BP lost the third set by only 1 service break(and, even THAT is irrelevant, I don't care if he lost a tiebreaker 100-98, he LOST), when, in point of fact, he lost by 2 service breaks. Now you're crowing that he "held on" till 3-3 in the third set(whereupon you conveniently ignore the fact that he won no more games), as if that's kind of big accomplishment, unreal...

I never said "a player should be cut some slack for playing long matches". I'm not cutting Nadal slack, I'm just observing the facts. The facts don't suit you, that's your problem.....not mine.

And I never lied, I just forgot that the 6-3 was 2 breaks in this case. First mistake of 2014. Sue me. I edited it to fix the mistake.

And being 3-3 in Rome is an accomplishment, because last year Nadal lost in straight sets to Djokovic at Monte Carlo. So its an improvement (not that non-slams matter, as we found out at Roland Garros).

 

[burn1986]

I love Rafa, but he seems ready for a losing press conference...
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Eight time champion Rafael Nadal revealed yesterday in a pre-tournament presser that he’s not pleased with the conditions of the clay on the eve of the event.

“I only practiced one day,” Nadal said Friday. “I only practiced yesterday, and the center court was a little bit different. I think they make the court new, so it’s like the clay get a little bit more fixed. It was moving a little bit too much around and some small stone that makes the movement a little bit more difficult.

“But probably they will be ready for the tournament now. Remain a few days, and probably they can fix it. They are specialists, no?”

With rain expected in the forecast maybe that will help get the clay right. And Rafa won’t play until later Monday or more than likely on Tuesday against former US Open semifinalist Robby Ginepri.

Rafa also said that despite his non Rafa-like spring, he’s in good form entering his favorite event of the year.

“Rome, Monte Carlo, Madrid, Barcelona is past now,” he said. “We are here in Roland Garros, and the only thing that matters now is have a good practice when I will be able to finish with the press. I will practice today, will practice tomorrow, good practice on Sunday, and try to be ready for the competition, no?

“The dynamic is positive, is true, so that’s always important for the confidence. I felt that in Rome I was able to play with not that nerves, that anxiety that I played in the first two tournaments and some moments in Madrid, too.

“So that’s always a positive thing, but now is very important tournament for me. At the end is another tournament, no? And just happy to be here in Roland Garros. Happy to fight for the challenge to play well again here.

“And I gonna try. That’s it. That’s the only thing that I can say. I gonna try.”

Well, at least Nadal is working on his sentence structure lol

" . . . I take racquet and I hit ball. It make me happy to hit ball, so I hit hard ball. Happy ball make me. . .Scratching crotch make me happy."

 

[booson]

Plus there is another factor: Nadal's matches are traditionally more lopsided at the slams than at the non-slams. Its a combination of Nadal being extra pumped up for the slams (I know he give 100% physical effort to the non-slams too, but MENTALLY there is extra enthusiasm at the slams) and Nadal's opponents being too nervous at the slams. Nadal has more lopsided sets at the slams, and has rarely gone to 5 sets over the last few years. Hasn't been to 5 sets at the US Open since 2004. And only 2 five-setters ever at Roland Garros. And since 2009 he's only played one 5-setter at the AO (2012). Wimbledon is the only slam Nadal has played regular 5-setters.

It's called doping cycles. The fact that slams are 2 weeks long and have a loser testing doping control allows him to dose (or microdose, now that the passport is in effect) through the first week of competition (and obviously other dopers with the same regime can do it too) and test clean in the second. I'm guessing that the scheduling in other tournaments (masters, 500 and 250) make it hard to sustain the PED effects until the final to test clean.

 

[NADALRECORD]

It's called doping cycles. The fact that slams are 2 weeks long and have a loser testing doping control allows him to dose (or microdose, now that the passport is in effect) through the first week of competition (and obviously other dopers with the same regime can do it too) and test clean in the second.

You going to accuse Sampras of doping too? Sampras was infinitely better at the slams. Nadal is only marginally better at the slams (I mean, he holds the all-time record at masters events, and is the only man ever to win Indian Wells, Montreal, Cincy, US Open in a calendar year).

 

[xFedal]

You going to accuse Sampras of doping too? Sampras was infinitely better at the slams. Nadal is only marginally better at the slams (I mean, he holds the all-time record at masters events, and is the only man ever to win Indian Wells, Montreal, Cincy, US Open in a calendar year).

Yo Nadalrecord did you bet on Nadal to win RG!

 

[booson]

You going to accuse Sampras of doping too? Sampras was infinitely better at the slams. Nadal is only marginally better at the slams (I mean, he holds the all-time record at masters events, and is the only man ever to win Indian Wells, Montreal, Cincy, US Open in a calendar year).

Hey, perhaps. Anemia is either the perfect TUE for EPO (or similar products) usage or the consequence of its abuse. Thalassemia is way too convenient for an elite sportsman surrounded by doctors.
Regarding the masters, I'm referring to the current regime with the passport in effect. Pre-september-2013, EPO usage was fairly common and easy to control.

 

[NADALRECORD]

Yo Nadalrecord did you bet on Nadal to win RG!

No I rarely bet on sport. Injuries control too much

 

[xFedal]

No I rarely bet on sport. Injuries control too much

I can gain £440 Profit if Rafa wins and £275 if Nole wins so Rafa must win for me to get my max profit! either way Nole or Rafa I win in the end!

 

[NADALRECORD]

I can gain £440 Profit if Rafa wins and £275 if Nole wins so Rafa must win for me to get my max profit! either way Nole or Rafa I win in the end!

You'd get more of a thrill if you only bet on one player, but financially you are wise (if you are doing it merely for financial reasons).

 

[booson]

No I rarely bet on sport. Injuries control too much

Nah, you're just incredibly misinformed.

 

[xFedal]

You'd get more of a thrill if you only bet on one player, but financially you are wise (if you are doing it merely for financial reasons).

Yh its all about £££$$$ and thats what am doing it for Money!

I won £2000 from the champions league final!

 

[dafinch]

I never said "a player should be cut some slack for playing long matches". I'm not cutting Nadal slack, I'm just observing the facts. The facts don't suit you, that's your problem.....not mine.

And I never lied, I just forgot that the 6-3 was 2 breaks in this case. First mistake of 2014. Sue me. I edited it to fix the mistake.

And being 3-3 in Rome is an accomplishment, because last year Nadal lost in straight sets to Djokovic at Monte Carlo. So its an improvement (not that non-slams matter, as we found out at Roland Garros).

You most certainly did try to cut him some slack, if somebody pointed out that Nole was up a service break in the fifth set in last year's Dirtball Open, and lost a crucial point on an easy putaway by grazing the net-a call I've seen only a handful of times in many years of watching tennis-well, that's one thing(and, as I mentioned previously, it was STILL ultimately a loss), but, babbling about, well, poor Widdle **** was EXHAUSTED by all those tough best of 3 set matches, and, by dint of ENORMOUS effort, managed to only lost the decisive set by a double service break-do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Apparently, you have some inkling, because, lo and behold, you're suddenly saying it was an impressive accomplishment because...he got straight setted by Nole last year???? Is that a joke(not to mention, to my knowledge, you never said the double service break loss in the 3rd set was due to "improvement" from the previous year)? Quit while you're behind...

 

[helloworld]

Nadal in the first 2 rounds proved to the world he is the GOAT of clay. Now, let's see who will be the one making excuses. :lol:

 

[NADALRECORD]

lo and behold, you're suddenly saying it was an impressive accomplishment because...he got straight setted by Nole last year???? Is that a joke(not to mention, to my knowledge, you never said the double service break loss in the 3rd set was due to "improvement" from the previous year)? Quit while you're behind...

To the best of your knowledge?

Ever since the day of the Rome final, I've been saying it repeatedly (that Nadal's Rome 2014 final performance in the final is a lot better than his performance in the Monte Carlo 2013 final). Its not even an opinion. Its an undeniable fact. Another inconvenient truth for you.

 

[NADALRECORD]

Nadal in the first 2 rounds proved to the world he is the GOAT of clay. Now, let's see who will be the one making excuses. :lol:

Yes the shoe is certainly on the other foot now. There is a reason why Nadal is in the penthouse sipping champagne every year while the haters are in their dafinchian-dungeon writing hate mail to him.

 

[bullfan]

You most certainly did try to cut him some slack, if somebody pointed out that Nole was up a service break in the fifth set in last year's Dirtball Open, and lost a crucial point on an easy putaway by grazing the net-a call I've seen only a handful of times in many years of watching tennis-well, that's one thing(and, as I mentioned previously, it was STILL ultimately a loss), but, babbling about, well, poor Widdle **** was EXHAUSTED by all those tough best of 3 set matches, and, by dint of ENORMOUS effort, managed to only lost the decisive set by a double service break-do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Apparently, you have some inkling, because, lo and behold, you're suddenly saying it was an impressive accomplishment because...he got straight setted by Nole last year???? Is that a joke(not to mention, to my knowledge, you never said the double service break loss in the 3rd set was due to "improvement" from the previous year)? Quit while you're behind...

Awwwww. Falling into the classic Nadal hate that inevitably bites one in in azz!

 

[cknobman]

Yes the shoe is certainly on the other foot now. There is a reason why Nadal is in the penthouse sipping champagne every year while the haters are in their dafinchian-dungeon writing hate mail to him.

Nadal does not drink champagne

As a first rate stalker/worshiper I figured you would know this.

 

[NADALRECORD]

Nadal does not drink champagne

As a first rate stalker/worshiper I figured you would know this.

I only know about Nadal on the tennis court. I don't follow poker, and I've never read his book.

 

[booson]

To the best of your knowledge?

Ever since the day of the Rome final, I've been saying it repeatedly (that Nadal's Rome 2014 final performance in the final is a lot better than his performance in the Monte Carlo 2013 final). Its not even an opinion. Its an undeniable fact. Another inconvenient truth for you.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Comparison between Rafa's MC13 v Rome14 performances:
Aces: 2 - 0
DF: 3 - 2
1st Serve: 71% - 75%
1st serve won: 55% - 54%
2nd serve won: 31% - 43% (seems like a lot, right? Just 3 points more in Rome)
BP saved: 58% - 57%
1st serve return won: 36% - 28%
2st serve return won: 39% - 44%
BP converted: 50% - 66% (just one more)
Points won: 43% - 44%
Points difference (bigger is worse): 17 - 19

So... It's hard to say which match Rafa played better. It's not a fact, it's not a "lot better". You're just, as always, misinformed.

 

[dafinch]

To the best of your knowledge?

Ever since the day of the Rome final, I've been saying it repeatedly (that Nadal's Rome 2014 final performance in the final is a lot better than his performance in the Monte Carlo 2013 final). Its not even an opinion. Its an undeniable fact. Another inconvenient truth for you.

Absolutely hilarious how you conveniently ignored the first 60% or so of my post and started quoting when you thought you could (finally) make a point. It's not hard to guess why you ignored the first part of my post, clearly because I cut your ridiculous, brain dead argument to shreds. Even the point you DID make isn't true, I'll bet you I can pull up at least a half dozen posts where you made that ridiculous claim that BP getting to 3-3 in the third set was some sort of "accomplishment," WITHOUT mentioning that he got his arse waxed by Nole last year. And, you STILL haven't answered why good is the "improvement" of getting crushed like a cockroach by TWO service breaks in the decisive set? Furthermore, as was pointed out in post # 70, you lied even by your one point, lol...

 

[dafinch]

Awwwww. Falling into the classic Nadal hate that inevitably bites one in in azz!

I don't hate ANYBODY, pull your head out. On the other hand, being bitten in he arse? Let's see, BP has disgraced himself by losing his last two matches(and acting like a complete scumbag in one of them) at the sport's most prestigious event, both to journeymen; lost his last 4 matches to the next ranked player, reminiscent of his epic 7 match string to the same player a few years ago; lost, to, not one, not two, but THREE players whom he had routinely slaughtered in almost all of their previous matches, choking like a dog and disgracing himself, yet again, in a Slam, while doing so.

Oh, yeah, I'm practically takin' out the razor blades these days, ROTFLMAO....

 

[booson]

Absolutely hilarious how you conveniently ignored the first 60% or so of my post and started quoting when you thought you could (finally) make a point. It's not hard to guess why you ignored the first part of my post, clearly because I cut your ridiculous, brain dead argument to shreds. Even the point you DID make isn't true, I'll bet you I can pull up at least a half dozen posts where you made that ridiculous claim that BP getting to 3-3 in the third set was some sort of "accomplishment," WITHOUT mentioning that he got his arse waxed by Nole last year. And, you STILL haven't answered why good is the "improvement" of getting crushed like a cockroach by TWO service breaks in the decisive set? Furthermore, as was pointed out in post # 70, you lied even by your one point, lol...

If we could plot Nadal's match performance as a simple y = f(x) relation (a la IBM's grand slam live analysis), in both matches (Rome 14 final v MC 13 final), we could easily see that in MC13, his performance was increasing, while in Rome, it decreased and separated from Djokovic's quite dramatically. That's a tendency that I didn't see at all during all 2013. I don't know why NADALRECORD would deny this very simple fact. Does this info somehow affects him? I don't know.

 

[dafinch]

If we could plot Nadal's match performance as a simple y = f(x) relation (a la IBM's grand slam live analysis), in both matches (Rome 14 final v MC 13 final), we could easily see that in MC13, his performance was increasing, while in Rome, it decreased and separated from Djokovic's quite dramatically. That's a tendency that I didn't see at all during all 2013. I don't know why NADALRECORD would deny this very simple fact. Does this info somehow affects him? I don't know.

Don't confuse him with actual FACTS, they make his head hurt...

 

[booson]

Don't confuse him with actual FACTS, they make his head hurt...

It is quite convenient that our friend eludes this thread and answers misleading information in others.

 

[bullfan]

If we could plot Nadal's match performance as a simple y = f(x) relation (a la IBM's grand slam live analysis), in both matches (Rome 14 final v MC 13 final), we could easily see that in MC13, his performance was increasing, while in Rome, it decreased and separated from Djokovic's quite dramatically. That's a tendency that I didn't see at all during all 2013. I don't know why NADALRECORD would deny this very simple fact. Does this info somehow affects him? I don't know.

Nadal didn't look great during 2013 clay season. That said, no one stepped up to take advantage of Nadal, who, wasn't playing vintage Nadal clay.

 

[underground]

Enrique Carrión ‏@EnriqueNoticias
#Nadal: "I'm serving slower than usual because of my back. I was wearing bandage today." But he doesn't want to talk about it anymore. #RG14

Let the French Open excuses begin.

 

[Start da Game]

How can he still struggle with the English language after all this time? It's weird.

simple......bettering his english is not on his priority list......it's like you are reluctant to put in extra efforts to better yourself at a particular department because you just don't really require it......

 

[Start da Game]

Nadal didn't look great during 2013 clay season. That said, no one stepped up to take advantage of Nadal, who, wasn't playing vintage Nadal clay.

concurred......nadal was nowhere near his best on clay in 2013......2012 was a different story with him being in sublime form but 2013 he was kind of on and off......that semifinal against nole was nothing other than his pure genius and years of experience of getting it done on clay......he could have easily lost that semis......

 

[SpinToWin]

Nadal in the first 2 rounds proved to the world he is the GOAT of clay. Now, let's see who will be the one making excuses. :lol:

*ahem* see below

Enrique Carrión ‏@EnriqueNoticias
#Nadal: "I'm serving slower than usual because of my back. I was wearing bandage today." But he doesn't want to talk about it anymore. #RG14

Let the French Open excuses begin.

This. This is what I call poetic justice :twisted:

 

[booson]

Nadal didn't look great during 2013 clay season. That said, no one stepped up to take advantage of Nadal, who, wasn't playing vintage Nadal clay.

That's not the debate, but thanks for the info.

 

[bullfan]

HOw'd that theory work for you?

Which excuses from Nadal worked best for you