Wait, if Nadal loses his next RR match, he still has to play Tsisi, right? He is making the semi's? For sure?
Nadal wins 2 more matches and is guaranteed YEC.....
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TennisFan3
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I agree. But it is a bigger ask for Nadal IMO given how poor he is on this surface. So for him to win his next 2 matches is also a stretch, because he hasn't won 3 consecutive matches in a WTF for a while.
Djokovic IMO is still the favorite for the tournament, and if they do a Thiem vs Djokovic match again he might win.
But yeah, Novak cannot afford to slip up and lose to anyone now. He would be hoping for Nadal to lose to Tsitsipas OR to face+beat Nadal in the SF. In either of those 2 cases, Novak could get to #1.
It seems that he has a lot of fans in Asia. Not sure why that is, maybe he made an effort to go to Asian leg of the tour?
TennisFan3
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Nadal's next RR is against Tsitsipas.
jm1980
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Nadal's next RR match is against Tsitsipas.
aldeayeah
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For that, Tsitsipas would have to beat Zverev and Nadal, and Med would need to beat Zverev, with Nadal somehow winning the 3-way 1-2 tie (hard to see with his current crappy % of sets won)
aldeayeah
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It is possible, Tsitsipas has to end 3-0 and all of Nadal/Med/Zverev 1-2.
jm1980
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Yeah, you are right - somehow I was thinking Zverev had to be the one going 3-0. My initial instinct was correct, lol
He did beat Nadal once... this year.
Topspin_80
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Probably showing up and winning a few tournaments did the trick.
When he wins, everything is fine and dandy, when he loses, he starts swearing in Serbian and making those faces, and telling
the crowd to shut up, because don't love him as much as he desires.
That is why he is so unlikable. You don't see Federer or Nadal turning against the crowd.
Djokovic= Pathetic
His lame attempts to speak other languages without really knowing them=Pathetic
Hm.... ok then...
Topspin_80
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Thanks!
jm1980
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LMAO, some people find fault in every little thing Djokovic does!
Who on Earth speaks any language perfectly from the get go? The only way you get better is by attempting to speak it without really knowing it...
By this logic Nadal (or any other non-native speaker) should never have tried speaking English
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Upsets are very common, so being 'favorite' doesn't help Djokovic
Djokovic was favorite last year, and lost Paris Final in straight sets, and lost London Final in straight sets.....
And this year Djokovic was the favorite at Cincy and US Open, and lost both.....
Let's face it, you can't trust Djokovic to get the job done anymore.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Nadal best scenario is Zverev beating Tsitsipas
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
what is wrong with that?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Rafa barely beat Medvedevious who was a weak version of himself so clearly Tsetsefly is the favourite to beat him.
Topspin_80
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It's embarrassing.
When your proficiency level ain't that good, in my opinion, you shouldn't make a fool of yourself before a crowd.
In a big crowd there will always be someone saying "right on baby, right on"
But most of the people will be saying, "why don't you shut the f up"
Besides that, all this is a matter of opinion, I find it pathetic, apparently what I find pathetic, you find it cool, well, more power to you.
But for me it's just pathetic.
And not only his lames attempts to........... but his whole persona.
And all this is just my opinion.
Opinion that is shared by many people
But then, I understand there are some minority that like Djokovic, and them like anything the joker does. Good for them.
Rafa24
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i meant latest on year end 1. joker has to win the whole thing is his only way now right?
UnderratedSlam
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I presume, yes. Since he is still the favourite to win and Nadal is unlikely to reach the semis...
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
It's just such a shame he couldn't quite get past Thiem last night 'cos I can see him getting to the final and losing yet again to a Next Gen player.Oh, how quickly the turn tables!
Strangely, today's results mean Djokovic controls his own fate yet again: if he wins out, he's going to be YE #1 regardless of what Nadal does, since Nadal cannot reach the final without beating Djokovic.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
In other words Novak must win the remaining 3 matches.Oh, how quickly the turn tables!
Strangely, today's results mean Djokovic controls his own fate yet again: if he wins out, he's going to be YE #1 regardless of what Nadal does, since Nadal cannot reach the final without beating Djokovic.
He is the favourite but not unbeatable. It will be close. Very difficult to predict how this will play out. I doubt he can't lose to Thiem again, or for example Tsetsefly. They are very much in form and are able to stop him.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes - he had to win all the remaining 3 matches as soon as Nadal beat Medvedev. The difference is that since Nadal has to play the winner of Djokerer before the final, Djokovic no longer needs anyone's help
ghostofMecir
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Not really. Djokovic won 15 more return points than Thiem. He could have won that match quite a few times. In no way did Thiem “outplay” Djokovic, but win a few close points to “win the match” by AD scoring rules.
titoelcolombiano
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If Federer beats Djokovic he prevents Djoker moving in ahead of him in terms of YE # 1 and slows Djokovic's ominous charge towards the weeks at # 1 record. Big match for Fed in terms of his legacy, he's not going to be around for much longer to personally interfere with Djoker & Nadal.
JaoSousa
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thank you for this
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Could it be any more dramatic? Ugh
You can't improve your language skills without taking some risk and looking somewhat foolish in the process. If you avoid that, you will not get far with learning languages.
I find your attitude quite pathetic actually. I don't even like Djokovic but your attitude against him is ridiculous.
Oh, how quickly the turn tables!
Strangely, today's results mean Djokovic controls his own fate yet again: if he wins out, he's going to be YE #1 regardless of what Nadal does, since Nadal cannot reach the final without beating Djokovic.
I think Nadal is much more likely to be #2 if he makes it to the semis. There may be a chance he gets to #1 if him, Tsitsipas, and Zverev all go 2-1, but #2 still seems more likely since Tsitsipas is already 4-0 in sets. If Nadal finishes #2, he would play Thiem, not Djokovic.
jm1980
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Nadal cannot be #2. He is either going to advance as the winner of the group (and thus play the winner of Djok/Fed) or he won't advance at all
A Zverev win (by any score) would eliminate Nadal. See this chart here with the projected set scores for an explanation:
Note that if both Zverev and Nadal end up at 4-3 sets won, Zverev would advance because he won their H2H match
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aman92
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They could be tied in sets in one particular scenario.. It'll then come down to games won/lostNadal cannot be #2. He is either going to advance as the winner of the group (and thus play the winner of Djok/Fed) or he won't advance at all
A Zverev win (by any score) would eliminate Nadal. See this chart here with the projected set scores for an explanation:
Note that if both Zverev and Nadal end up at 4-3 sets won, Zverev would advance because he won their H2H match
TripleATeam
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Unfortunately, no. As soon as the 3-way tie is broken, it goes back to the rules for a 2-way tie, which mean H2H is first consideration.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Games won/lost would only come into play if 3 players are tied in sets won/lost
Nadal cannot be #2. He is either going to advance as the winner of the group (and thus play the winner of Djok/Fed) or he won't advance at all
A Zverev win (by any score) would eliminate Nadal. See this chart here with the projected set scores for an explanation:
Note that if both Zverev and Nadal end up at 4-3 sets won, Zverev would advance because he won their H2H match
Ok, that is a good analysis. But what about if Nadal and Zverev both lose and Nadal, Medvedev, and Zverev all end up tied at 1-2? Are there no scenarios that Nadal can advance as the #2 if that happens?
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Exactly, Djokovic is the opposite of unbeatable these days.....he's beatable
He never won a hardcourt title in America this year, despite being favorite in all of them, and the last time he won the World Tour Finals was 2015.
If he plays Thiem again, the question will be who is more damaged physically by the time they meet - in the final....
pedro94
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Oh, how quickly the turn tables!
Strangely, today's results mean Djokovic controls his own fate yet again: if he wins out, he's going to be YE #1 regardless of what Nadal does, since Nadal cannot reach the final without beating Djokovic.
Topspin_80
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You have to admit it, you do like Djokovic, and it shows!!!
Topspin_80
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If you ask me, I see a 65% Djokovic, 35% Federer, but then Djokovic just lost a match he shoulda won.
Therefore, any scenario is possible.
And then Federer, as you said didn't beat Djokovic since 2015, but then, that last win came in a RR of the ATP Finals,
Federer is nowadays at his best, indoor best of 3.
It's about to happen!!!!
Djokovic a set and a break down!
Topspin_80
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It did happen!!!
Nadal #1 all the way to AUS without needing to win any more matches
Nadal #1 all the way to AUS without needing to win any more matches
kailash
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Not anymore! Fed just beat Djokovic!!
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kailash
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Federer just did, in straight sets!! Djokovic is out.
Sorry, I am a Federer fan. I am not a fan of Djokovic.
Topspin_80
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You can be a Fed's fan as you claim.
But you also like Djokovic, and it shows, otherwise you'd never stand by that funky ar-se wanna be comedian.
UnderratedSlam
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Well, as I already posted on my WTF thread, Novak is definitely in a slow decline. All the signs are there. We weren't sure, but now we are.Exactly, Djokovic is the opposite of unbeatable these days.....he's beatable
He never won a hardcourt title in America this year, despite being favorite in all of them, and the last time he won the World Tour Finals was 2015.
If he plays Thiem again, the question will be who is more damaged physically by the time they meet - in the final....
It's not that he lost to RF at WTF, there's no shame in that, it's HOW he lost. Especially knowing how important that match was for the weeks at no 1 record which he now clearly will never break.
Stop trying to change the subject to be about me. This is not about me. That was not the point of my post. You have successfully got me to debate a point that I have no interest in arguing, but it will stop with this post.
Anyway, the point of my post is that I think that your attitude against Djokovic and about learning languages is pathetic. If you are not going to respond to that point, then I have no interest in what you have to say.
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