Nastase: "Nadal's 14 RG Titles weigh more than Djokovic's 23 Slams"

[nolefam_2024]

This btard was on his knees vs Roger Rafa and Nole for the whole world to see, literally. Nole being the humble guy, helped him get up. Roger and Rafa did not.

That's the thanks he got. For some people, like this absolute vile man, reputed for his vileness, for some people, being nice is considered a weakness.

Jim Courier, Andy Roddick, level headed tennis commentators, who knows Nolefams can accuse them of bias, they know how to toe the line. This old geezer has no consequence. When there are no consequence people talk trash.

 

[Torben]

Not really. Nadal has been head and shoulders above the clay field for virtually his whole career. It was a big shock if he was defeated at RG in any year.

It was expected he won nearly all those RG tournaments. We even used to right off most french opens before they started as we knew he’d win easy. It’s very impressive but Djokovic and Federer were his best competition and neither were clay court specialists like him.

In my opinion it’s much more difficult to do what Djokovic has done and win 3 at every major. That shows a more well rounded player to me. As well as winning all the big tournaments at least twice.

Nadal is the best at his favourite tournament/surface but Djokovic is overall the better tennis player who can adapt better to different surfaces/conditions and is much more consistent too.

The grand slam record is the pinnacle of tennis and then the weeks at no1/year end no 1. Novak owns them so that shows overall who the best of this era has been.

Nadal has never won anything indoors either and Djoko and Fed are clear of him on hard courts and grass too.

You are mistaken I’m afraid.

Nadal has won two indoor titles. He won both the 2005 Madrid Open and São Paulo in 2013.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

You are mistaken I’m afraid.

Nadal has won two indoor titles. He won both the 2005 Madrid Open and São Paulo in 2013.

Nothing significant though. Fair enough he won 2 small indoor titles but you know what I mean. He’s been a big disappointment indoors overall.

 

[Start da Game]

obviously the effort and talent required to win one roland garros is monumental......it has always been the toughest slam to win even in this era of homogenization......interesting that nastase is straight out dismissive about novak, he is not even including nadal's other slams to weigh against djokovic's 23......i am beginning to think novak's slams could be normalized even further given how weak his wimbledon victories are......

 

[Hitman]

obviously the effort and talent required to win one roland garros is monumental......it has always been the toughest slam to win even in this era of homogenization......interesting that nastase is straight out dismissive about novak, he is not even including nadal's other slams to weigh against djokovic's 23......i am beginning to think novak's slams could be normalized even further given how weak his wimbledon victories are......

Yeah, sure....now how about some real facts.

That is why Lendl, Wilander, Kuerten all have won RG x 3, but never won Wimbledon. Kuerten winning nothing outside of RG ever. RG having more one time champions than any other slam until Nadal started to dominate.

Borg with RG x 6, and zero USO titles...

Remind me, how many matches did Muster win at Wimbledon?

Interestingly RG in the last 20 years has had six different champions, Wimbledon in the last 20 years has only had four.

 

[Torben]

Nothing significant though. Fair enough he won 2 small indoor titles but you know what I mean. He’s been a big disappointment indoors overall.

Yes, I think that is something we all find a little perplexing considering how long he’s played and his undoubted skill level.

 

[jga111]

What about 27 slams?

 

[Clay lover]

Yeah, sure....now how about some real facts.

That is why Lendl, Wilander, Kuerten all have won RG x 3, but never won Wimbledon. Kuerten winning nothing outside of RG ever. RG having more one time champions than any other slam until Nadal started to dominate.

Borg with RG x 6, and zero USO titles...

Remind me, how many matches did Muster win at Wimbledon?

Interestingly RG in the last 20 years has had six different champions, Wimbledon in the last 20 years has only had four.

But just because RG winners have difficulty winning other slams doesn't mean the reverse is not true...because it is kinda. It used to be the only one that eluded Federer and Djokovic. Eluded many a past greats including JMac, Becker, Sampras, Edberg, Connors etc.

And the fact that RG had more winners could just point to the fact that it's harder to dominate other than by that one anomaly of a person.

I'm not saying that RG is the toughest surface to win on ... but simply pointing out RG winners ' failure to win on other surfaces doesn't actually disprove that RG is a tough surface, because the same has happened vice versa - non-clay specialists historically struggling on the surface.

Regardless of which is tougher we can conclude that clay is a different beast which requires a different set of skills given the difficulty of translating success to other surfaces and vice versa. To actually gauge which is tougher, you need to see which set of skills is rarer / harder to acquire, the debate on which is super subjective.

 

[D_m_a]

 

[Hitman]

But just because RG winners have difficulty winning other slams doesn't mean the reverse is not true...because it is kinda. It used to be the only one that eluded Federer and Djokovic. Eluded many a past greats including JMac, Becker, Sampras, Edberg, Connors etc.

And the fact that RG had more winners could just point to the fact that it's harder to dominate other than by that one anomaly of a person.

I'm not saying that RG is the toughest surface to win on ... but simply pointing out RG winners ' failure to win on other surfaces doesn't actually disprove that RG is a tough surface, because the same has happened vice versa - non-clay specialists historically struggling on the surface.

Regardless of which is tougher we can conclude that clay is a different beast which requires a different set of skills given the difficulty of translating success to other surfaces and vice versa. To actually gauge which is tougher, you need to see which set of skills is rarer / harder to acquire, the debate on which is super subjective.

You and I both know that the difficulty of a slam depends on the player. The statement that RG is the toughest slam to win as an absolute is just as false as if it is replaced by Wimbledon or USO or AO. It all depends on the player.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

But just because RG winners have difficulty winning other slams doesn't mean the reverse is not true...because it is kinda. It used to be the only one that eluded Federer and Djokovic. Eluded many a past greats including JMac, Becker, Sampras, Edberg, Connors etc.

And the fact that RG had more winners could just point to the fact that it's harder to dominate other than by that one anomaly of a person.

I'm not saying that RG is the toughest surface to win on ... but simply pointing out RG winners ' failure to win on other surfaces doesn't actually disprove that RG is a tough surface, because the same has happened vice versa - non-clay specialists historically struggling on the surface.

Regardless of which is tougher we can conclude that clay is a different beast which requires a different set of skills given the difficulty of translating success to other surfaces and vice versa. To actually gauge which is tougher, you need to see which set of skills is rarer / harder to acquire, the debate on which is super subjective.

It’s not tough for Nadal to win. He’s a clay god and no one was near him on the surface. He was expected to win RG every year but it would have been more impressive had he won more off clay.

 

[Mustard]

It’s not tough for Nadal to win. He’s a clay god and no one was near him on the surface. He was expected to win RG every year but it would have been more impressive had he won more off clay.

Like 2 out of 3 US Open finals against Djokovic?

And my memory of the 2022 French Open quarter final is that most people expected Djokovic to win.

 

[Mustard]

You and I both know that the difficulty of a slam depends on the player. The statement that RG is the toughest slam to win as an absolute is just as false as if it is replaced by Wimbledon or USO or AO. It all depends on the player.

The French Open is more physically demanding in terms of stamina. Aggressive play and instinctive play that aims to shorten points are more likely to get punished there rather than rewarded, the opposite of Wimbledon.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Like 2 out of 3 US Open finals against Djokovic?

And my memory of the 2022 French Open quarter final is that most people expected Djokovic to win.

Yeah I rank Nadal’s us open wins against Djokovic very highly. That’s the biggest wins where Nadal fans can use in their argument to put Nadal over Djokovic. It makes more sense there than the french.

Well some people did but not me and a lot of others. Nadal was the favourite for me every-time he played at RG.

 

[Mustard]

Yeah I rank Nadal’s us open wins against Djokovic very highly. That’s the biggest wins where Nadal fans can use in their argument to put Nadal over Djokovic. It makes more sense there than the french.

Well some people did but not me and a lot of others. Nadal was the favourite for me every-time he played at RG.

I thought Djokovic was favoured for the 2015 and 2022 matches?

Nadal beating Djokovic 8 out of 10 times at the French Open is certainly a huge argument in Nadal's favour. LOL. No other player has lost 8 times to a certain player at the same major.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Like 2 out of 3 US Open finals against Djokovic?

And my memory of the 2022 French Open quarter final is that most people expected Djokovic to win.

2 puny wins. Rafans can just repeat drum and nolefams being friendly can let them.

Rafa is literally 2-15 off clay vs Djokovic. Now he can't come up to meet Djokovic more because of "injuries". That's really good excuse.

 

[Mustard]

2 puny wins. Rafans can just repeat drum and nolefams being friendly can let them.

Rafa is literally 2-15 off clay vs Djokovic. Now he can't come up to meet Djokovic more because of "injuries". That's really good excuse.

You'd seriously give Nadal back his 2005-2009 mobility if you could, just so he could meet Djokovic?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I thought Djokovic was favoured for the 2015 and 2022 matches?

Nadal beating Djokovic 8 out of 10 times at the French Open is certainly a huge argument in Nadal's favour. LOL. No other player has lost 8 times to a certain player at the same major.

It just means he’s the king/god of clay. It’s very impressive but it doesn’t change the overall picture outside clay. Alone it doesn’t give him the GOAT crown as it’s how you do across the whole year and other the slams, etc.

 

[heftylefty]

Do people realize that your favorite player does not have to the GOAT to be your favorite player?

 

[SonnyT]

I always thought Nastase was half mad. Now I know he's fully mad.

 

[Walrus Gumball]

Factor in injuries and 23 v 22 no biggie

 

[Razer]

This btard was on his knees vs Roger Rafa and Nole for the whole world to see, literally. Nole being the humble guy, helped him get up. Roger and Rafa did not.

That's the thanks he got. For some people, like this absolute vile man, reputed for his vileness, for some people, being nice is considered a weakness.

Nastase on his knees and Nole helped him get up ? How !

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nastase on his knees and Nole helped him get up ? How !

Full thing is on video. On ATP celebration of number 1 players.

 

[Razer]

Full thing is on video. On ATP celebration of number 1 players.

Link ?

Looks like I missed it

 

[Start da Game]

prominent pundits across the globe have been declaring for several decades that roland garros is the toughest slam to win and it is not even a debate......the point construction is like chess with your mind working each and every point......there is no luxury of serving your way out of trouble......victory belongs to the most tenacious at roland garros, not quite at the same level at the other three slams......the other three slams each have their own identity but they are often won with lesser physical and mental efforts......nastase is definitely serving us all some true tea here.....

 

[MichaelNadal]

prominent pundits across the globe have been declaring for several decades that roland garros is the toughest slam to win and it is not even a debate......the point construction is like chess with your mind working each and every point......there is no luxury of serving your way out of trouble......victory belongs to the most tenacious at roland garros, not quite at the same level at the other three slams......the other three slams each have their own identity but they are often won with lesser physical and mental efforts......nastase is definitely serving us all some true tea here.....

So epic