Need help with Progression/Growing through League Tennis (long, tldr)

[BlakeAF]

Sorry for wall of text, but I feel like I need to explain my situation to get good feedback. TLDR at bottom.

I have been playing for a bit under a year(like picked up a racquet for the first time at 29 years old), but I got the bug. I have played doubles/mixed/singles non stop since. I live in Atlanta and play a mix of T2/Ultimate(KSWISS) tennis leagues.

I started singles at 2.5 after a couple months of doubles and group lessons. I won my division and city finals and moved up to 3.0-. I was basically an athletic pusher at this point.

At 3.0- I won all my matches in straight sets and wasn't allowed to go to playoffs per the sand bagger rule which is cool and it was kind of my goal. I refused to throw a set to go to playoffs. The matches were somewhat competitive, and some I got tired and reverted to my pusher ways.

I am not a bad pusher, but through cardio drills when my mind goes blank, my legs turn to jello, and I am just fighting I get everything back. I still am an all court player who goes to the net and pushes points, but I think I have a very solid defensive game which makes me feel like a pusher at times.

I got bumped to 3.0 and got a free season. So far I have won my first two matches. I actually won the first set of both 6-0 before having some good competitive games, but again as they start trying to hit winners I can get to the ball and play a solid defense.

I feel I am progressing, but it is slow. I am something like 26-0 in singles and wanting to keep the streak going. This has a negative effect on my game. I have only dropped one first set in all of these matches, and I turned around and played my best tennis the next two sets. I feel like normally I am never pushed to pull out my potential and instead I go up one set and then play safe to finish the matches.

I want to get crushed, and lose a first set 6-0, or 6-2, and have to dig deep and have nothing to lose. After this season I want to move up to 3.5 or 4.0- and just try to win one or two of my matches and play guys better than me so I can become better. I don't want to sit and settle. I read somewhere on here you have 3 years to develop your strokes, serves, and all around game and I want to grow as much as I can in my first few years. I am winning comfortably at 3.0.

My game:
I have a strong first serve, a weakish second serve, a somewhat strong forehand that I can put where I want, a consistent but slower 2hbh that I can always return on the same trajectory but have trouble redirecting, a sick slice from either side, a very solid net game, and I love to move my opponent around in all directions and then go to the net. I have gotten good at anticipating where the ball is going. I rarely make unforced errors because of 'hit the ball in 100 times' drills which come as instinct when I get super tired.

TLDR; I have been playing almost one year. I started at 2.5, then 3.0-, and now I am at 3.0. I am 26-0. I have only dropped the first set once which resulted in me playing my best tennis to win. When I win the first set I turn towards athletic, strong defense tennis where I feel I don't improve all that much. I want to get pushed, beat, crushed, etc. but only so much that I can really get better from it and beat the same guys after a few season. Where should I move up to?

Question:
So what I am wondering is how high do you think I should go so that I can get beat, crushed, humiliated, but not so badly that I within a few seasons I can come out and beat the same guys. I know nothing about NTRP rating other than I started at 2.5 and have let the system move me up. The leagues here go 2.5, 3.0-, 3.0, 3.5-, 3.5, 4.0-, 4.0, etc. I have never thrown a game in my life and I hate the idea of sandbagging. I feel that my progression is going to go slow or level off at this pace. Or do you think I should just keep going up a half level every season naturally? I kind of want an insane challenge so that I never pull ahead easily and then play error free more air tight tennis. I am thinking of going to 3.5 next season.

 

[French Edwards]

I dont think you can "pick" what you move up to, can you?

Move Up Requirements

* If your rating is -5.4 to +5.4 you remain at your current level.
* If your rating is +5.5 to +9.9 you move up 1 level.
* If your rating is +10.0 or greater you move up 2 levels.

That's from the ultimatetennis website. I play 3.0 in Atlanta - this is my second season. I went 5-0 last season before dropping my final 2 matches. I went to the sweet 16 in the playoffs and lost to the eventual runner up. My rating was in the 4's so I couldnt move up. I'm 30 and started playing recently as well. Since I'm the same level as you, I wouldnt know how to tell you to get a whole lot better, but as I consider myself a strong 3.0 maybe we could play a couple sets sometime and critique each others' game.

 

[yonexpurestorm]

play some tournaments. you can sign up at whatever level you would like and get crushed many times.

 

[cknobman]

I think you should play at 4.0 and see how you do dont wast a couple more season screwing around in the lower levels waiting to get bumped up.

Remember you can always play up but never down.

If you have enough time I would play both your own level and then 4.0 as well. Get double the tennis in!

 

[penpal]

You could always try entering a tournament at the next highest level and see how it goes. If you don't get crushed, enter another tournament at a still higher level, or try an age qualifying tournament and, when you do get crushed, ask the player who crushed you what his level is.

 

[BlakeAF]

I dont think you can "pick" what you move up to, can you?

Move Up Requirements

* If your rating is -5.4 to +5.4 you remain at your current level.
* If your rating is +5.5 to +9.9 you move up 1 level.
* If your rating is +10.0 or greater you move up 2 levels.

That's from the ultimatetennis website. I play 3.0 in Atlanta - this is my second season. I went 5-0 last season before dropping my final 2 matches. I went to the sweet 16 in the playoffs and lost to the eventual runner up. My rating was in the 4's so I couldnt move up. I'm 30 and started playing recently as well. Since I'm the same level as you, I wouldnt know how to tell you to get a whole lot better, but as I consider myself a strong 3.0 maybe we could play a couple sets sometime and critique each others' game.

Yeah I thought this too, but I emailed Ultimate and asked them if I could move up. The guy said he would move me up if I wanted, but if I was knocked down multiple times they would stop allowing me to move up to keep the league competitive.

I would love to hit some time, but right now my wife is 8 months pregnant and I am playing doubles playoffs, mixed doubles which is starting, mens alta, and singles haha. My wife loves tennis so it is barely ok, but I will have to cut back. After this round of seasons I will probably just play singles and will free up time to play some more casually. Where do you play out of?

Thanks for the input guys. How would I go about finding tournaments? Right now I just know about random round robins my local club has, and a couple flex leagues. Tournaments may be a great spot to go in at higher levels and try to figure out where I should play.

The guy I emailed said he wouldn't move me up past 4.0- unless I naturally moved to 3.5- from the ratings system after this season then I could go to 4.0.

I want to go to a level where I just barely play good enough to stay in the same level and stay there until I can move up with the ratings.

 

[OrangePower]

Have you tried to "benchmark" yourself by playing a practice match against a USTA rated 3.5 or 4.0 player?

Seems that before you decide on your next step you need to get a realistic idea of where you actually stand. So you need to play some rated 3.5 and maybe 4.0 players, and see how you do.

If you can't find players to get a practice match again, enter a 4.0 tournament as others have suggested. 4.0 tournaments will have a mix of 3.5 and 4.0 entrants, and you'll quickly get a feel for where you fit in.

EDIT: Saw your most recent post about finding tournaments. Go to the USTA web site, follow links for adult - tournament, and take it from there...

 

[spot]

3.5 is probably where you should be playing. Sounds like you are at the point where you can double bump past 3.0 to get to 3.5. I'd guess that you would need at least a season of being a middle of the pack 3.5 to move up to 4.0-. The big issue was starting out at 2.5- no athletic guy should ever sign up below 3.0.

 

[French Edwards]

Yeah I thought this too, but I emailed Ultimate and asked them if I could move up. The guy said he would move me up if I wanted, but if I was knocked down multiple times they would stop allowing me to move up to keep the league competitive.

I would love to hit some time, but right now my wife is 8 months pregnant and I am playing doubles playoffs, mixed doubles which is starting, mens alta, and singles haha. My wife loves tennis so it is barely ok, but I will have to cut back. After this round of seasons I will probably just play singles and will free up time to play some more casually. Where do you play out of?

Yeah i know the feeling. I am about to start men's ALTA and am doing kswiss singles and am having a hard time with just those 2 finding time to play otherwise, as my wife is pregnant too. Maybe we could find a random weeknight or weekend to play. I work in Buckhead and live down in Piedmont Heights, which is just above Ansley Park. What about you

 

[BlakeAF]

Have you tried to "benchmark" yourself by playing a practice match against a USTA rated 3.5 or 4.0 player?

Seems that before you decide on your next step you need to get a realistic idea of where you actually stand. So you need to play some rated 3.5 and maybe 4.0 players, and see how you do.

If you can't find players to get a practice match again, enter a 4.0 tournament as others have suggested. 4.0 tournaments will have a mix of 3.5 and 4.0 entrants, and you'll quickly get a feel for where you fit in.

EDIT: Saw your most recent post about finding tournaments. Go to the USTA web site, follow links for adult - tournament, and take it from there...

Awesome thanks for this. I had never played USTA just ALTA doubles teams and I have been wanting to get into a USTA league to play singles on a team. I want to sign up for USTA after this season but don't know where to put myself. Everyone I know just puts whatever team they are joining. Maybe I could play a couple tourneys and then use that to figure it out. Are these money tournaments?

I practice with a guy who is 3.5 USTA and I believe wins about half of his matches. Maybe a bit more. We go toe to toe, but I usually come out on top, but this is just practice games we have never played a full match. He is a bit of a more well rounded player and has been playing a lot longer, but I feel I could beat him half the time.

I was told though that the leagues around me are more saturated and USTA ranking is a bit higher than what they would be in some of these leagues.

Other than this my brother in law is probably a 4.5 player, played tournament circuits as a junior and I could get maybe get 2-3 games off him a set on a good day. Maybe 1 out of 7 or 8 sets I could take one off him. The problem is I just guess he is a 4.5. He isn't in USTA system. Playing him brings out my best tennis though. When you hit those shots that make you proud with your back against the wall. That is what I want to find.

 

[BlakeAF]

Yeah i know the feeling. I am about to start men's ALTA and am doing kswiss singles and am having a hard time with just those 2 finding time to play otherwise, as my wife is pregnant too. Maybe we could find a random weeknight or weekend to play. I work in Buckhead and live down in Piedmont Heights, which is just above Ansley Park. What about you

I live up in Suwanee, but play out of Peachtree Corners. I know your area well and wouldn't mind making the commute to play. Maybe we can find a 3.0-3.5 tournament out near you one weekend and get together. I am excited to try one of these.

 

[OrangePower]

Awesome thanks for this. I had never played USTA just ALTA doubles teams and I have been wanting to get into a USTA league to play singles on a team. I want to sign up for USTA after this season but don't know where to put myself. Everyone I know just puts whatever team they are joining. Maybe I could play a couple tourneys and then use that to figure it out. Are these money tournaments?

I practice with a guy who is 3.5 USTA and I believe wins about half of his matches. Maybe a bit more. We go toe to toe, but I usually come out on top, but this is just practice games we have never played a full match. He is a bit of a more well rounded player and has been playing a lot longer, but I feel I could beat him half the time.

I was told though that the leagues around me are more saturated and USTA ranking is a bit higher than what they would be in some of these leagues.

Other than this my brother in law is probably a 4.5 player, played tournament circuits as a junior and I could get maybe get 2-3 games off him a set on a good day. Maybe 1 out of 7 or 8 sets I could take one off him. The problem is I just guess he is a 4.5. He isn't in USTA system. Playing him brings out my best tennis though. When you hit those shots that make you proud with your back against the wall. That is what I want to find.

Ha, yes, they are money tournaments in that you pay money to enter them

There is no prizemoney though for 4.0 level tournaments.

If you do not have a USTA rating yet you will need to self-rate first. From your description it sounds like you could legitimately self-rate as either 3.0 or 3.5, although your true level is probably closer to 3.5. Anyway, there is a questionnaire that you will need to go through; just answer honestly as best you can and see how it comes up. Then go find and enter a few 3.5 and 4.0 tournaments and see what happens.

Don't get too despondent if your results are poor initially. There is a big difference between hitting around, and playing a match against a match-seasoned opponent. Even if your game is generally at the same level, a player with match experience will figure out a way to beat you. Of course the only way to get match experience is to play matches!

 

[BlakeAF]

Great info. You guys have been incredibly helpful. I am scheduling a match with the 3.5 guy from our group lessons after lessons next monday to get a feel. He just told me he thinks I would do good at 3.5 in his league and win enough to get to playoffs and get beat good in a few and especially in playoffs. I will play him and then probably chat him up and try to move to 3.5 next season. The thing is I almost don't want to win enough to go to playoffs. I just want to get pushed into a corner and slapped around. Maybe I will go to 4.0- and get moved down and then try to work my way back.

If I can find a tournament that is 3.5-4.0 I will enter. I didn't even know they had all these! It is like flex league playoffs on demand. He also told me another guy we play with that I went 3 sets (3-6, 6-4, 4-6) with in a practice match is a 4.0- player so that gives me some reference. I think I could take him on a good day. Seems like 3.5 or 4.0- depending on how much of a beating I want to take in some matches may be a solid start.

One more question.. Does USTA have clinics or something where you can go get rated by a coach or local club pro or something of this nature? Would be a fun outing and then I could play up a level if I want some punishment.

 

[French Edwards]

I live up in Suwanee, but play out of Peachtree Corners. I know your area well and wouldn't mind making the commute to play. Maybe we can find a 3.0-3.5 tournament out near you one weekend and get together. I am excited to try one of these.

Yeah, me too. I would love to do a tourney. I just went to USTA website and it was a little intimidating when looking at the list of tourneys. My email is dla1844@gmail.com if you want to hit me up

 

[beernutz]

IMO, if you are able to take any games in a set off a player you believe to be a legitimate 4.5 you have no business self rating at the 3.0 level and I think 3.5 is a stretch.

As others have said, would it be that difficult to find an actual computer-rated card carrying 3.5 or 4.0 in your area to play to help benchmark yourself? It seems clear based on your description that you would be competitive at 3.5 and you are improving so quickly that even 4.0 isn't out of the question.

 

[BlakeAF]

IMO, if you are able to take any games in a set off a player you believe to be a legitimate 4.5 you have no business self rating at the 3.0 level and I think 3.5 is a stretch.

As others have said, would it be that difficult to find an actual computer-rated card carrying 3.5 or 4.0 in your area to play to help benchmark yourself? It seems clear based on your description that you would be competitive at 3.5 and you are improving so quickly that even 4.0 isn't out of the question.

Yes I know I can take games off of a 4.5, and I believe he is better than 4.5 but I just don't have a great reference. Through my serve and volley I believe I can take a game or two off of stronger players. I think I have only broken him once, maybe twice, but I can win at least a game or two or three a set with serving when I am serving well. Also against him every chance I get I hit a deep ball to the corner and come into the net and that is where I can win points or get breaks. Baseline rallies maybe I could win 1 point out of 20 if I stay back there. I am tall with long arms and I am getting good at reading people and getting a jump at the net.

Don't get me wrong, he waxes me 95% of the time with his service games, baseline rallies, my second serves. When my first serve is on I can win points though. I am to the point now when I play him that I don't even use a second serve I just serve firsts all night because that is how I can win points. It has made my first serve strong, and I am still working on a kickier second serve.

I don't know how to self rate myself I just was told when I was 2 months in to join these flex leagues and just start at 2.5 because they have stronger players. A guy even said you can't really start in them as a true beginner and compete because of how saturated it is. I just let the system move me up from there, and that is why I want to move up now. Also like was mentioned earlier the league has rules where it just moves you based on rating you don't get to choose once you start so I didn't know until I emailed the league that they would move me up, just not down, by request.

I just found out about a little local ladder that has 4-5 guys in it at my club and they are all 3.5-4.0 players and they just invited me to join up. I think once in anyone can challenge anyone and then you play to move up the ladder. Seems perfect to judge where I should be. I will probably use this through this season and then sign up at USTA based on how I do.

 

[BlakeAF]

Yeah, me too. I would love to do a tourney. I just went to USTA website and it was a little intimidating when looking at the list of tourneys. My email is dla1844@gmail.com if you want to hit me up

Haha I am still browsing and intimidated. Really cool to find out about this though. Just found out about a tennis ladder through www.global*********work.com also. You know what would be awesome? If we got to play in Ultimate playoffs against each other. If you make it to city regardless of if I do or not I will come down to the finals. There is some amazing amateur tennis at those things I have been trying to go to them every season whether I am in them or not.

 

[gameboy]

I don't understand the consternation.

You are winning big in 3.0. Just move up to 3.5 and see how it goes. If competitive, stay there, if still dominating, go to 4.0.

Rinse & Repeat.

Why is that complicated?

 

[josofo]

sounds like you want to play 4.0

so i would recommend you just play both 3.5 and 4.0. (i think someone will probably beat you at 3.5 and at 4.0 i dont think you would win a set your first year).

 

[BlakeAF]

I don't understand the consternation.

You are winning big in 3.0. Just move up to 3.5 and see how it goes. If competitive, stay there, if still dominating, go to 4.0.

Rinse & Repeat.

Why is that complicated?

Not so much complicated as just wanted to get my situation out and get feedback on what others would do or thought. I told my wife, 'Next season I think I am going to jump to 3.5 or 4.0-.' She replied, 'Woah are you sure you don't want to just let the system move you around?'

I thought about it and was thinking I would rather get spanked and hopefully improve more from it than spend a lot time moving up through the ranks and maybe developing bad habits like turtling.

I did get some beastly feedback and ideas through this thread. Really was helpful.

 

[blip]

Keep demolishing the competition and you will get the double bump and land where you belong.

I'm currently at 4.5- and went 3-4 the last time I played.

I am exactly where I should be with matches I could've won.

Also, if you want to play let me know, I live right around the corner from you. We have an Alta team so we are starting to play more often.

Let me know, text me at 404seven1seven44onethree.

 

[BlakeAF]

sounds like you want to play 4.0

so i would recommend you just play both 3.5 and 4.0. (i think someone will probably beat you at 3.5 and at 4.0 i dont think you would win a set your first year).

Yeah I am thinking about maybe dropping doubles and mixed for a season and playing two different flex leagues, one at 3.5 and one at 4.0- or 4.0. I agree I don't think I would get a set in 4.0, but that could be my first goal. The problem is the system will probably move me down, but if I can make leeway at 4.0- it could be fun.

 

[blip]

Also ultimate keeps singles and doubles separate so the ratings don't effect each other

 

[BlakeAF]

Keep demolishing the competition and you will get the double bump and land where you belong.

I'm currently at 4.5- and went 3-4 the last time I played.

I am exactly where I should be with matches I could've won.

Also, if you want to play let me know, I live right around the corner from you. We have an Alta team so we are starting to play more often.

Let me know, text me at 404seven1seven44onethree.

Where is your alta team out of? Near me in Suwanee or Ptree Corners? I would love to play you a few times and try to get some games off of you. Maybe If I just played with a few 4.0+ guys I would get the punishment I am looking for and just sit around 3.5 and let the system move me.

 

[josofo]

Not so much complicated as just wanted to get my situation out and get feedback on what others would do or thought. I told my wife, 'Next season I think I am going to jump to 3.5 or 4.0-.' She replied, 'Woah are you sure you don't want to just let the system move you around?'

I thought about it and was thinking I would rather get spanked and hopefully improve more from it than spend a lot time moving up through the ranks and maybe developing bad habits like turtling.

I did get some beastly feedback and ideas through this thread. Really was helpful.

ya i agree with your train of thought. for your own game there is really nothing bad about playing above your level. obviously for your opponents sake you dont want to go to high that you dont give your opponents a competitive match. but at 4.0 singles you could certainly win a match by almost being a complete pusher if you play smart (can execute the lob) and are in really good shape.

 

[blip]

We play Alta at bitsy grant since none of us have courts.

I live near historic Norcross close to pyre corners.

I can drive out to play sometime or u can come hit with our Alta team. We have a wide range of players within our team.

We usually practice in dun woody but I have a single court avail in the subdivision next to mine

 

[spot]

For my girlfriend she has the same issue- she has great shots in practice but she falls back to her old strokes in ALTA matches (because of team pressure) or Kswiss (just trying to protect her rating).

Our solution was to have her play up in T2 singles. Even though T2 is a ridiculous ripoff it worked wonders- she could go out there and just play and not worry about the results because her rating didn't matter to her as much. Of course she had very good results because she was hitting the ball better. Next step is to have her try and put it in place for Kswiss.

 

[BlakeAF]

For my girlfriend she has the same issue- she has great shots in practice but she falls back to her old strokes in ALTA matches (because of team pressure) or Kswiss (just trying to protect her rating).

Our solution was to have her play up in T2 singles. Even though T2 is a ridiculous ripoff it worked wonders- she could go out there and just play and not worry about the results because her rating didn't matter to her as much. Of course she had very good results because she was hitting the ball better. Next step is to have her try and put it in place for Kswiss.

Yeah I am thinking of trying to move up naturally in Ultimate, and then dropping some mixed doubles and playing up in T2 to do the exact same thing. I have found some good outlets to play some people who will help up my game from this thread too. Can't wait to get started.

 

[Dave_D]

Hey Blake, I live in Suwanee and work in Norcross. I play 4.0- right now for UT singles out of Suwanee, and I played on a 3.5 Low USTA team this past winter. I just participated in a USTA tournament this weekend at the Racquet Club of the South. There is another USTA tournament coming up in May in Duluth that you could enter.

If you want to play as a benchmark, I'd be happy to get together and hit around with you.

 

[BlakeAF]

Hey Blake, I live in Suwanee and work in Norcross. I play 4.0- right now for UT singles out of Suwanee, and I played on a 3.5 Low USTA team this past winter. I just participated in a USTA tournament this weekend at the Racquet Club of the South. There is another USTA tournament coming up in May in Duluth that you could enter.

If you want to play as a benchmark, I'd be happy to get together and hit around with you.

Awesome, just sent you an email through your website. Would love to hit sometime and pick your brain on USTA stuff.

 

[Dave_D]

Hey Blake, I responded to your e-mail yesterday but I have had some issues with that account, so not sure if you got it or not. Just let me know if you didn't.

 

[Fuji]

Just go play in 5.0, you'll know what true pain feels like! LOL!

Seriously though, 4.0 sounds like it would be fun for you. Benchmark players are pretty much gatekeepers of their level and are great to play against. I've played against a ton of benchmark 4.5 players and I've always been competitive with them. If you have a close to 0.500 win rate, it means you are at the right level.

-Fuji

 

[BlakeAF]

Thanks all, I have talked with some of you guys and haven't been able to get out and hit yet. We had our daughter about 16 days ago and since I have withdrawn from my singles league. My 100% record is already tanking with my forfeits haha. It is kind of a good feeling.

I am still playing doubles with family and close friends and my alta team. I just couldn't justify playing with strangers randomly over hanging out with my family and helping my wife. Doubles has been solid. My mother in law and I swept our division at 3.5- and are playoff bound. I just won my first match in alta 6-0, 6-0. First ever double bagel which was awesome.

I did get to play against a 4.0 guy. He has only won a couple matches this season, but I beat him pretty easily. I don't think he was a good benchmark, but because of this when I go back to singles in Summer or after I will go in at 4.0 and see how it goes. I should still be improving then so I am ready. Thanks again for all the feedback~

 

[813wilson]

Blake,

you played a USTA 4.0 Benchmark? The benchmark means the player has advanced to sectional, at least, USTA play.

My experience with Ultimate Tennis, as it is with others I know who play USTA and Ultimate is this.....

In general, the Ultimate Tennis rating is about one full point higher than USTA ratings. Maybe this is an anomaly in the Tampa area(K Swiss started in this area) but several of my tennis friends found the same result. I play 4.0 USTA and did a short stint at 4.5. When playing KSwiss, my final season was at 5.5 level. Several of my current USTA league friends are still playing Ultimate: 3 of them are 4.5's and play 5.5 Ultimate and quite a large number of 4.0's play at the 5.0 Ultimate level.

For what it's worth - I stopped playing that league about three full years ago.

 

[shazbot]

If you belong to a club, ask one of the club pro's to give your e-mail to one of the good 4.0's at the club.

I had this happen a few weeks ago. A guy joined the club and was doing really well, pretty much crushing all 3.0's and beating some of the lower 3.5's and he thought he should be higher up in the ladder. So the club pro set us up a friendly match to play.

Anyways I played him and beat him 6-1, 6-0. Moral of the story, not sure, but that was my story.

 

[anubis]

OP: you can either go the normal progression and let your wins dictate your advances through the ranking system (which can be tedious), or you can appeal your rating and bump yourself up.

Beating one 4.0 isn't a large enough sample size to warrant the thought that you can crush the 4.0 league, but if you're really looking for competition, I suggest participating in a local ladder system.

Keep moving up the ladder, taking note of the NTRP ratings of your opponents. You'll know when you hit that "wall" of a player, where you go through a series of opponents that are somewhere between 4 and 5, and you get crushed. If it happens to be a 5.0, then then you're likely to get the competition you hunger for in either 4.5 or 5.0, depending on how much of a masochist you are


But however you do it, you need to take the pulse of your area. You need to play as many people as you can and figure out where your level of competition lies.

This will take more work, but will be faster in the long run and get you in the league where you belong.

 

[BlakeAF]

If you belong to a club, ask one of the club pro's to give your e-mail to one of the good 4.0's at the club.

I had this happen a few weeks ago. A guy joined the club and was doing really well, pretty much crushing all 3.0's and beating some of the lower 3.5's and he thought he should be higher up in the ladder. So the club pro set us up a friendly match to play.

Anyways I played him and beat him 6-1, 6-0. Moral of the story, not sure, but that was my story.

LOL best story ever. Yeah I think I just need to play more 4.0's and see. I think 4.0 will be a good place to jump back into. If I only lose 1 of 7 matches I will move to 4.5. I just want to be where I am losing over .500 but still playing well and stay there until I can win over .750.

Thanks again all of you!

 

[jph424]

I play 4.5- K-swiss, live in Midtown, and would be up for hitting sometime if you want.