taurussable
Professional
many players learn the serve this way.
many players learn the serve this way.
many players learn the serve this way.
Introducing the Conti grip at an early stage to beginners is not viable. Most will struggle with it and get discouraged. It is one of the hardest things to pick up in tennis.
Beginners typically use the forehand grip for at least a year before transitioning.
Stand them at the net and have them hit with some side spin into the service box. They take a step back when they get one in. It isn't that long before they get to the base line.
I think the easiest method to teach the serve is to begin with the slice serve. That will automatically make the student use the correct grip. And then all other serves can develop from there.
Introducing the Conti grip at an early stage to beginners is not viable. Most will struggle with it and get discouraged. It is one of the hardest things to pick up in tennis.
Beginners typically use the forehand grip for at least a year before transitioning.
many players learn the serve this way.
Introducing the Conti grip at an early stage to beginners is not viable. Most will struggle with it and get discouraged. It is one of the hardest things to pick up in tennis.
Beginners typically use the forehand grip for at least a year before transitioning.
Introducing the Conti grip at an early stage to beginners is not viable. Most will struggle with it and get discouraged. It is one of the hardest things to pick up in tennis.
Beginners typically use the forehand grip for at least a year before transitioning.
i agree habits die hard. I see plenty female 4.0s with a waiter serve. they can serve pretty flat and hard with not much margin for error but they so used to it and no motivation to change.
You mean by being the only guy taking lesson with all the women? Is he really there to learn the serve?
Maybe that's a chick and not a dude? Ya never know... Lol
What's the 1 guy there doing with both arms up?
This made me laugh... really hard. Thank you
Interesting observations on learned motor skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=461&v=MFzDaBzBlL0
What's the 1 guy there doing with both arms up?
This made me laugh... really hard. Thank you
i agree habits die hard. I see plenty female 4.0s with a waiter serve. they can serve pretty flat and hard with not much margin for error but they're so used to it and no motivation to change.
Prob someone from TTw told him to keep his left hand up as long as possible.
many players learn the serve this way.
There is a company which sells a grip which reinforces the Continental. As far as I could tell, it has a small rod perpendicular to the plane of the bevel and you have to pass it between the fore and middle fingers when gripping the racket. I saw the ad in Tennis Industry magazine.
Lots of people using forehand grip. It's more effective for lots of people who do not play that often or that well.. Even in league play up to 4.0 you see it on both sides - (more so with women).
its actually a more 'logical' way to do it..
With a forehand serve your racquet is moving roughly in the direction you want the ball to go. With the forehand serve your racquet head strings will face where you want the ball to go for the whole serve. With the forehand serve you can generally serve with a lower toss - so timing is easier.. With the forehand serve your students can go and start point play on the first day..
People say 'just throw the racquet' and while this is true - and the correct way to learn a 'real' serve..
1) You have to have the strings contact the ball at the correct time while facing in the correct direction..Timing issues like a hitch can cause all kinds of weird issues with your serve - making it even worse then a forehand serve. Even people with decent throwing form will suffer from issues like high elbow or low elbow..
2) You have to understand and believe in the idea that the strings will eventually square up and hit the ball - even though you start your swing on edge.
3) You have to get used to the idea that for the spin serves your racquet will move in a very different direction then the ball will go - and you have to believe when you do this it will go in.
Lots of people stick with the forehand serve - and some men can even hit 80-90mph serves with it.. If you are teaching pro it might not seem reasonable to believe that you can teach everyone a correct serve in some intro group lesson..
Lots of people stick with the forehand serve - and some men can even hit 80-90mph serves with it..
I love it when a frying-pan guy hits hard flat serves while his opponent uses conti grip and correct technique and serves slow and ineffective ones! Technique does not matter till you are at the level from which it matters, that is just the harsh truth of life.
Went back and read the other thread and enjoyed it. I continue to find nothing with which to disagree with "Coaching Mastery" about.Earlier thread on the "Frying Pan Serve"
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=509394
Terms used to describe this type of serve - Waiter's Tray, Frying Pan, Housewife's Serve?, ..... any others?
If anyone finds information on the positions of the USPTA or USTA on this issue of two serving techniques, please post.
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Wrist Snap
The term wrist snap is undefined for tennis usage as far as I can tell - making perpetual disagreements likely.
Would you say that a 'wrist snap' is a part of the Waiter's Tray serve? Might some of the wide-spread Waiter's Tray techniques, hardly defined, have a forceful wrist snap while the high level serve does not. ? Might this account for some of the continuing disagreements over whether there's a 'wrist snap' in the serve?
My personal usage is that a wrist snap includes considerable forearm muscle forces to flex the wrist. Some Waiter's Tray techniques might include forceful forearm muscle activity to flex the wrist, wrist snap. If the wrist flexes due mostly to other body motions, without much forearm muscle forces, I would not call that a wrist snap. (An added complication, muscle forces from elastic muscles forces, using the stretch shortening cycle, might not feel forceful.)