Ntrp 3.0 -> 4.0 using just a ball machine

[FRV]

Can it be done?

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

Anything's possible. I'd lean towards "highly unlikely" because even though the strokes might be sound, there's been no match experience & toughness developed to go along with them. How will this person deal with a pusher? A junkballer? A wildly inconsistent basher?

 

[Chadalina]

Impossible, you have to play people with ntrp ratings to move up.

 

[sureshs]

ShUT uP

 

[FiReFTW]

You can build x level strokes by not playing matches.
But you cant build an x level player by not playing matches, doesnt matter what level ur strokes are.

 

[ptuanminh]

Match toughness and match experience can be developed by playing match.
I hit with a ball machine probably a few times. Its a little bit predictable isn't it? You won't learn to watch your opponent hand and move accordingly.

 

[Kobble]

I think 3.0 to 3.5, yes. Not sure about beyond that. Depends how good the ball machine is and how good the strokes are.

 

[blai212]

you’d need to know how to use the ball machine effectively but nothing can simulate match experience...


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[dgold44]

Can it be done?

No

Only spending thousands on cash with a high level pro will only get you past 3.0-3.5

 

[dgold44]

Now for 5.0-6.0 you need big cash but you need high level hand eye coordination which cash can’t buy

 

[Chadalina]

No

Only spending thousands on cash with a high level pro will only get you past 3.0-3.5

A smaller waist line and overall better health as well. Thats why i dont bang on guys trying to get better at tennis, pick up alot of good things along the way

 

[Dragy]

If you consider ball machine and no a single ball touch apart from it - no. If you compare just matchplay to same amount of matchplay and ball machine - definitely a good assist. Up to lower 4.0 could work with nothing but this for a young fit body. Any higher, or being a middleaged, you need some basis of techniques, as self-developed strokes wouldn't do the job for you most likely. Therefore, basic coaching and keeping good understanding of what you've been coached, self-awareness and practical "anchors" to dial back your techniques if struggling, then lots of balls, both ball machine and life rallies, and match experience - altogether with like 1 match, 2 practice outings per week would be a decent starting point. Remember the serve as a separate, yet crucial element.

 

[heninfan99]

You can get 4.0 skills but you have to video yourself and be your own coach, be disciplined and train with a specific goal(s) each hitting session. You'll adjust to 4.0 play fairly quickly once you have the skills if you have a serve.

 

[heninfan99]

No

Only spending thousands on cash with a high level pro will only get you past 3.0-3.5

hahaha

 

[Mongolmike]

You cannot beat a ball machine. You can only not feed it. Feed it and it will survive off your sweat on the court.

To OP: ball machine > 3.0-4.0 player

 

[undecided]

No, it will not work. A ball machine will NEVER be able to send over the kind of junk balls that real 3.5s send.

 

[ChaelAZ]

You can build x level strokes by not playing matches.
But you cant build an x level player by not playing matches, doesnt matter what level ur strokes are.

Match toughness and match experience can be developed by playing match.
I hit with a ball machine probably a few times. Its a little bit predictable isn't it? You won't learn to watch your opponent hand and move accordingly.

These. ball machine can help improve strokes, but not ratings.

I have great strokes and hit with some high level folks, but having not played many matches until the end of last year and some the start of this year, there is no way to improve actual ratings. I can play high 3.5 or low 4.0, but hitting I can hang much higher. Matches and results are what make ratings.

 

[ptuanminh]

NTRP rating definition actually has nothing to do with results, but everything with strokes.

 

[ByeByePoly]

No ... in fact if you use it to learn your bucket list 2hbh ... you may go from 3.0 to 2.0.

 

[Cobaine]

I vote yes. Ball machines are invaluable, especially at a lower level. You can set it to give you any kind of ball you want to train (flat, hard, sitters, junk, volleys, lobs, etc).

All of that will make up for the lack of actual match play.

 

[norcal]

NTRP rating rough description actually has nothing to do with results, but actual NTRP rating has everything to do with results and nothing to do with strokes.

fixed.

I have never hit with a ball machine but I wish I had one tomorrow cause I can't find anyone to hit with!

 

[tlm]

Can it be done?

No you have to play matches.

 

[2ndServe]

of course it can be done. 4.0 isn't exactly hard to get to or great tennis. You can get fitness stamina, hone strokes, movement footwork, practice your volleys and lobs too. More important you need to practice your serve and possibly the return against the machine. Absolutely it can be done.

 

[TennisDawg]

of course it can be done. 4.0 isn't exactly hard to get to or great tennis. You can get fitness stamina, hone strokes, movement footwork, practice your volleys and lobs too. More important you need to practice your serve and possibly the return against the machine. Absolutely it can be done.

I agree with your post but how do you practice a serve with a ball machine. I have a totally different approach to ball machines, I use a Ball machine to work on cardio conditioning while also grooving groundstrokes. I find 1 to 2 hours on a ball machine is a great workout.

 

[2ndServe]

I agree with your post but how do you practice a serve with a ball machine. I have a totally different approach to ball machines, I use a Ball machine to work on cardio conditioning while also grooving groundstrokes. I find 1 to 2 hours on a ball machine is a great workout.

If you look up in this forum someone made a platform. I mean you can even crank your machine up to max speed, max topspin with a high trajectory and it'll be like a kick serve.

 

[user92626]

Don't know,

but for sure

Ntrp 5.0 -> 4.0 using just a ball machine

 

[TennisDawg]

If you look up in this forum someone made a platform. I mean you can even crank your machine up to max speed, max topspin with a high trajectory and it'll be like a kick serve.

If you look up in this forum someone made a platform. I mean you can even crank your machine up to max speed, max topspin with a high trajectory and it'll be like a kick serve.

You must be talking about return of serve, not the serve, I must have
misunderstood.

 

[Harry_Wild]

If you can beat NK in an ATP tour 1000 or GS match, you are way beyond the NTRP of 7.0 or UTR of 16! Just so you have something to shoot for! NK only try in these tournaments unless his opponent is one of the big “3”, Rafa, RF or Djokovic.

 

[bitcoinoperated]

Can a ball machine help you serve?