On Novak Djokovic’s confounding marathon win against Roger Federer in the Wimbledon final by Brian Phillips

[ABCD]

Novak Djokovic’s Lovely, Victorious Crisis

Despite enduring many moments of trouble, including two championship points, the world no. 1 topped Roger Federer in the longest Wimbledon singles final of all time. How did he do it?

www.theringer.com

 

[yokied]

And yet the only records being broken around here are by you.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Interesting to see the editorial illustration that accompanies the story.

That smirk of immense satisfaction, having conquered Federer and the hostile Wimbledon crowd, is becoming iconic.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Garbage. Barely masked bashing of Novak's game and personality. You can't analyze him with a molded brain of Fed-fanaticism.

 

[Pantera]

Oh dear...I thought Nadal beating Federer at W 2008 had badly affected some Federer fans...this W2019 defeat to Djokovic is on a whole new level.

I do hope Federer isn't in the same place as many of his fans.

 

[True Fanerer]

Interesting to see the editorial illustration that accompanies the story.

That smirk of immense satisfaction, having conquered Federer and the hostile Wimbledon crowd, is becoming iconic.

I could've sworn it was becoming stale and boring. Time for something else even.

 

[beltsman]

Nobody cares anymore

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Interesting to see the editorial illustration that accompanies the story.

That smirk of immense satisfaction, having conquered Federer and the hostile Wimbledon crowd, is becoming iconic.

 

[NoleFam]

Interesting to see the editorial illustration that accompanies the story.

That smirk of immense satisfaction, having conquered Federer and the hostile Wimbledon crowd, is becoming iconic.

I actually read this article right after Wimbledon and didn't particularly care for it but I definitely liked that image in the header.

 

[Subway Tennis]

I actually read this article right after Wimbledon and didn't particularly care for it but I definitely liked that image in the header.

There is a real rush of mainstream media longform articles about Novak at the moment. The guy is everywhere. Some of the writing is good, some of the analysis is not so great.

 

[Subway Tennis]

I could've sworn it was becoming stale and boring. Time for something else even.

I think I have a high tolerance for repetition, because I have watched that last set and the Aftermath of the final over and over again. Not strictly for the level of tennis but how much we saw of the character of Novak and Roger towards the end of the match and immediately afterwards.

There was a lot to analyse. My respect for both players was sky-high to begin with, but it grew after that.

I did the same thing in the Nadal vs Federer SF. I've rewatched that match a lot although it was tougher there for me being a Nadal fan.

 

[True Fanerer]

I think I have a high tolerance for repetition, because I have watched that last set and the Aftermath of the final over and over again. Not strictly for the level of tennis but how much we saw of the character of Novak and Roger towards the end of the match and immediately afterwards.

There was a lot to analyse. My respect for both players was sky-high to begin with, but it grew after that.

I did the same thing in the Nadal vs Federer SF. I've rewatched that match a lot although it was tougher there for me being a Nadal fan.

It's not just the matches themselves or highlights. It's everything that goes with it. Especially the 1,000 ABCD threads about it. It's UO time imo.

 

[NoleFam]

There is a real rush of mainstream media longform articles about Novak at the moment. The guy is everywhere. Some of the writing is good, some of the analysis is not so great.

I think for me it felt like this last Slam win will be a defining moment in his career. It must have felt that way to others as well based on all the coverage he got. Of course, every Wimbledon champion gets lots of media but this has been the most coverage Djokovic has gotten regarding his legacy after any win.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I think for me it felt like this last Slam win will be a defining moment in his career. It must have felt that way to others as well based on all the coverage he got. Of course, every Wimbledon champion gets lots of media but this has been the most coverage Djokovic has gotten regarding his legacy after any win.

True. He didn't get this much even when he won four slams in a row. This win has pushed him up to another level.

 

[NoleFam]

True. He didn't get this much even when he won four slams in a row. This win has pushed him up to another level.

Yes it definitely has. Some are begrudgingly having to give him his due now. I thought some articles were very well written tbough and I loved what The Atlantic put out there.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Yes it definitely has. Some are begrudgingly having to give him his due now. I thought some articles were very well written tbough and I loved what The Atlantic put out there.

It is undeniable now.

 

[mbm0912]

beautiful

 

[ABCD]

And yet the only records being broken around here are by you.

I could've sworn it was becoming stale and boring. Time for something else even.

Nobody cares anymore

Thank you. I am glad you feel that way.

 

[uscwang]

And yet the only records being broken around here are by you.

ABCD, congrats for breaking the longest WB final record and for tying Andy Roddick for most WB final losses to one player. You might also have set a new record for beating/losing GS matches to one player after facing/holding MPs.

 

[True Fanerer]

Thank you. I am glad you feel that way.

I'm glad that you are glad.

 

[joekapa]

This is not a bad article.

I said 24 hours after the epic win, that the media are starting to turn. But not only the media. If you read the comments under the articles/videos etc, normally non-Djokovic fans were giving him kudo's they otherwise never would.

It had a Rocky vs Ivan Drago, final fight in Russia, Rocky 4 vibe to it.

And I will say it again. It seemed also to have a been a DETRIMENTAL loss to Federer and his legacy. Nobody could use the "age" excuse, for this loss.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

People need to stop obsessing over this match. I’ve seen so much garbage journalism and so many crying and gloating fans. US Open is coming.

 

[True Fanerer]

This is not a bad article.

I said 24 hours after the epic win, that the media are starting to turn. But not only the media. If you read the comments under the articles/videos etc, normally non-Djokovic fans were giving him kudo's they otherwise never would.

It had a Rocky vs Ivan Drago, final fight in Russia, Rocky 4 vibe to it.

And I will say it again. It seemed also to have a been a DETRIMENTAL loss to Federer and his legacy. Nobody could use the "age" excuse, for this loss.

Yes, will never recover from winning 20 slams.

 

[uscwang]

Novak Djokovic’s Lovely, Victorious Crisis

Despite enduring many moments of trouble, including two championship points, the world no. 1 topped Roger Federer in the longest Wimbledon singles final of all time. How did he do it?

www.theringer.com

Novak on one of his worst days beat an old on-fire Federer and ruined the day for the audience.

 

[joekapa]

Yes, will never recover from winning 20 slams.

You can latch onto that for only so long.
Questions are already arising about his competition he faced between 2004-2008. If you haven't seen the rumblings on the internet already, then I suggest you start paying attentions.

Federer's 20 are starting to seem a lot less signifcant after this loss.

 

[True Fanerer]

You can latch onto that for only so long.
Questions are already arising about his competition he faced between 2004-2008. If you haven't seen the rumblings on the internet already, then I suggest you start paying attentions.

Federer's 20 are starting to seem a lot less signifcant after this loss.

It's all recency b.s.

Like no one has ever talked about weak era.

We're in one now.

 

[True Fanerer]

 

[RelentlessAttack]

This is not a bad article.

I said 24 hours after the epic win, that the media are starting to turn. But not only the media. If you read the comments under the articles/videos etc, normally non-Djokovic fans were giving him kudo's they otherwise never would.

It had a Rocky vs Ivan Drago, final fight in Russia, Rocky 4 vibe to it.

And I will say it again. It seemed also to have a been a DETRIMENTAL loss to Federer and his legacy. Nobody could use the "age" excuse, for this loss.

People put too much weight on things that are more or less chance in sports. Make the first serve by a centimeter, narrative is different. Sports are more of a weighted random number generator than people realize

 

[ABCD]

You can latch onto that for only so long.
Questions are already arising about his competition he faced between 2004-2008. If you haven't seen the rumblings on the internet already, then I suggest you start paying attentions.

Federer's 20 are starting to seem a lot less signifcant after this loss.

Federer played better than ever. He was imperious the whole tournament. He beat an excellent Nadal. He played great in the final.

 

[joekapa]

It's all recency b.s.

Like no one has ever talked about weak era.

We're in one now.

Nope. As someone said earlier, there was absolutely no comparison in media coverage, even when Novak won 4 in a row. Zilch. It was forgotten in a couple of hours.
What he did at Wimby had a MUCH wider media impact, and it showed. Twitter alone, and I am talking about major celeb accounts was on fire.
Noticed this in 24 hours. No recency bias.
I created a thread a day after the final that say's pretty much the same thing talked about in here.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/wimbledon-2019-final-novaks-rogers-turning-point.648569/

 

[joekapa]

Federer played better than ever. He was imperious the whole tournament. He beat an excellent Nadal. He played great in the final.

But lost when it mattered.

 

[True Fanerer]

As soon as Djokovic loses again, all this will be gone.

 

[True Fanerer]

Watch.

 

[joekapa]

As soon as Djokovic loses again, all this will be gone.

My man we live in the age of the internet, and tennis is televised like never before. NOTHING will be forgotten. It will ALL be there for people to see in many years to come.

 

[True Fanerer]

My man we live in the age of the internet, and tennis is televised like never before. NOTHING will be forgotten. It will ALL be there for people to see in many years to come.

Lol ok

 

[MichaelNadal]

Im just here for the wings

 

[Subway Tennis]

Yes it definitely has. Some are begrudgingly having to give him his due now. I thought some articles were very well written tbough and I loved what The Atlantic put out there.

Since Wimbledon, I have noticed some mainstream sportswriters recalibrating, and writing about Novak potentially being the best of this era. These are mainstream columnists previously in lock-step with the Federer narrative. There has been a noticeable shift.

They have had a good amount of prep time for these longform discussions. A lot of these stories were possibly locked and loaded before the French Open, where Novak was on the precipice of doing something unprecedented.

 

[True Fanerer]

Strange that in a recent poll with over 28,000 participants, Fed was voted GOAT at an overwhelming 84%

 

[joekapa]

Strange that in a recent poll with over 28,000 participants, Fed was voted GOAT at an overwhelming 84%

Those same people think Michael Jackson is a musical genius.

 

[Da Big Dawg 69]

this was a satisfying win if there ever was one, even moreso than the aussie beatdown of nadal earlier this year.

this win did a couple of things. it brought back haunting memories of federer's past chokes against novak. seeing flashbacks of the 2011 was damn near tear inducing.

it reinforced Novak's H2H finals dominance against Roger...on his favorite surface!!!

it reinforced the notion that the supposed GOAT's best day still isn't enough against a subpar day for someone so inferior to him.

also, it brought back and strengthened every insecurity for fedfan, especially desperateaddict.

 

[Da Big Dawg 69]

Strange that in a recent poll with over 28,000 participants, Fed was voted GOAT at an overwhelming 84%

nobody ever argued that federer had the popularity advantage.

 

[True Fanerer]

Those same people think Michael Jackson is a musical genius.

When your guy makes it to double digit %, holla back.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Im just here for the wings

I'm really hoping Nadal makes a big statement at USO. His level looked very high against Pella.

 

[NoleFam]

Since Wimbledon, I have noticed some mainstream sportswriters recalibrating, and writing about Novak potentially being the best of this era. These are mainstream columnists previously in lock-step with the Federer narrative. There has been a noticeable shift.

They have had a good amount of prep time for these longform discussions. A lot of these stories were possibly locked and loaded before the French Open, where Novak was on the precipice of doing something unprecedented.

Good point. Maybe they already had some of these written in case he pulled it off at the French and just reworded a few things and printed them. The closer he gets to the Slam count they have no choice but to recalibrate considering how things have played out. To me, I always felt a lot of the Federer narrative was premature anyway.

 

[joekapa]

this was a satisfying win if there ever was one, even moreso than the aussie beatdown of nadal earlier this year.

this win did a couple of things. it brought back haunting memories of federer's past chokes against novak. seeing flashbacks of the 2011 was damn near tear inducing.

it reinforced Novak's H2H finals dominance against Roger...on his favorite surface!!!

it reinforced the notion that the supposed GOAT's best day still isn't enough against a subpar day for someone so inferior to him.

also, it brought back and strengthened every insecurity for fedfan, especially desperateaddict.

Exactly.
Also, how can you be "King of Grass", when his biggest rival (by matches played against each other), has beaten you 3 times in Wimby Finals ? That argument is also being made.

Federer's legacy was tainted a LOT after this match in more ways than one.

 

[joekapa]

When your guy makes it to double digit %, holla back.

When your guy beats my guy at Wimby, and has a +ive H2H against him, please get back to me.
Until then, his wins against Phillipousis and crippled Hewitt, Agassi, and of course the worst number 1 of all time (by his own accord, Roddick) will give you so many great memories.

 

[True Fanerer]

When your guy beats my guy at Wimby, and has a +ive H2H against him, please get back to me.
Until then, his wins against Phillipousis and crippled Hewitt, Agassi, and of course the worst number 1 of all time (by his own accord, Roddick) will give you so many great memories.

I have 22 memories I can think of right now.

 

[Third Serve]

It's funny how Fed fans get mocked continuously on this forum for being obsessive and stuff like that but nobody bats an eye when ABCD comes out with these agenda-driven threads. We're just playing defense right now.

 

[Da Big Dawg 69]

Exactly.
Also, how can you be "King of Grass", when his biggest rival (by matches played against each other), has beaten you 3 times in Wimby Finals ? That argument is also being made.

Federer's legacy was tainted a LOT after this match in more ways than one.

i wouldn't say tainted at all, federer's legacy is what it is.

but novak's legacy of beating fed in the highest stages of tennis will be what it is as well, fedfan will have to live with that, no matter how much they want to forget it or how much they still think an inferior player novak is to roger.

the proof is in the pudding.

 

[vex]

Exactly.
Also, how can you be "King of Grass", when his biggest rival (by matches played against each other), has beaten you 3 times in Wimby Finals ? That argument is also being made.

Federer's legacy was tainted a LOT after this match in more ways than one.

This is ridiculous imo. The dude is 37/38. None of the losses have meaning.