Playing angry

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
If I play happy I see points just wizzing by and games and sets. If I get angry they wiz by slower and games are won sometimes. Why is that?

And while I have some good reservoirs of anger I find that it takes soooo much energy to sustain. So its a short term solution. Any ideas on how to win happy or to sustain the intensity when angry?

I can never explain things right but I think my game needs a certain amount of aggression that anger helps with.
 

NuBas

Legend
Maybe you don't care enough about each point. You should find median between being nonchalant and being super intense.
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
I don’t think anger is the right emotion to describe your tennis. Maybe it’s fighting spirit, being competitive might be the better description. There’s nothing wrong with being fired up for a match. It keeps you focused and hungry for the win. Yes that is draining, but the more competitive a match is the more energy you use for it. You should be physically and a bit emotionally drained after a match, it means you gave your all.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I don’t think anger is the right emotion to describe your tennis. Maybe it’s fighting spirit, being competitive might be the better description. There’s nothing wrong with being fired up for a match. It keeps you focused and hungry for the win. Yes that is draining, but the more competitive a match is the more energy you use for it. You should be physically and a bit emotionally drained after a match, it means you gave your all.
Maybe thats a better way. Though it seems like a beserker rage is what is called for.

So how does one accomplish that? Its hard to explain but if there isnt some sort of anger or hatred I find it hard to get into it. Here is an example I think. I recall this vividly. I was losing badly. I switched racquets and got very angry. And except for the hooking on the 1st return I won every point just swinging. my goal was just to hit the ball hard:

 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
I have a whole reservoir that needs tapping into. How, haven't figured it out yet. I think I'm just going to start remembering patterns and implement a few basic plays and try to perfect this and just keep working on consistency. Tonight I mainly focused on a contact point a "foot" out in front and had a lot of success, like Tomaz said, "one thing at a time"
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
Maybe thats a better way. Though it seems like a beserker rage is what is called for.

So how does one accomplish that? Its hard to explain but if there isnt some sort of anger or hatred I find it hard to get into it. Here is an example I think. I recall this vividly. I was losing badly. I switched racquets and got very angry. And except for the hooking on the 1st return I won every point just swinging. my goal was just to hit the ball hard:

You were killing those returns, which frame? I think you gotta play your game.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I have a whole reservoir that needs tapping into. How, haven't figured it out yet. I think I'm just going to start remembering patterns and implement a few basic plays and try to perfect this and just keep working on consistency. Tonight I mainly focused on a contact point a "foot" out in front and had a lot of success, like Tomaz said, "one thing at a time"
dude you are way better than me. The moment I start thinking about contact points the wheels come off. One of the things Yandell did on my forehand is NOT talk about contact points....

And you have playS! I can only really think of one. Kick out wide on the ad court and volley into the open court. Thats pretty much it. Which ones do you do?
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
You were killing those returns, which frame? I think you gotta play your game.
Well he was hitting powder puffs! Its the one I use now just heavier. its the wilson BLX Two....a granny stick with a bunch of lead.

I think you are right but the energy that takes. Maybe I can focus on just being angry on contact and not all the time? Or maybe take a break in between points?
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
So how does one accomplish that?


I know you asked for help, but that my friend may have to come from inside. Knowing yourself (Temet Nosce) and what makes you tick is powerful weapon in itself. What gets me hyped may calm you down and vice versa. You seem to be taking the whole experience as a negative, when in fact it could be fueling your passion to win. As long as you’re not being a jerk towards your opponents, making bad calls or just overall bad sportsmanship, I think you should keep doing what you’re doing.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
Well he was hitting powder puffs! Its the one I use now just heavier. its the wilson BLX Two....a granny stick with a bunch of lead.

I think you are right but the energy that takes. Maybe I can focus on just being angry on contact and not all the time? Or maybe take a break in between points?
Time division multiplexing the anger at contact. Your a genius.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
dude you are way better than me. The moment I start thinking about contact points the wheels come off. One of the things Yandell did on my forehand is NOT talk about contact points....

And you have playS! I can only really think of one. Kick out wide on the ad court and volley into the open court. Thats pretty much it. Which ones do you do?
Those are the only plays so far can't move on till I have success with high %. Then maybe can try some short slices and figure out an answer. Believe me your way ahead of me. I'm just starting out on it. Need to get my slice serve back first now that I know how to use it. Hit a bunch of t aces tonight, people set up so far over inviting it.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Those are the only plays so far can't move on till I have success with high %. Then maybe can try some short slices and figure out an answer. Believe me your way ahead of me. I'm just starting out on it. Need to get my slice serve back first now that I know how to use it. Hit a bunch of t aces tonight, people set up so far over inviting it.
Great point. I need to work on my slice too. Its got potential but I rarely hit it and when I need it well its not home.

J011y had a thread where he talked about hitting a slice from a kickserve toss. I have gotten some points with that as it looks like I am going to hit out wide especially on the ad and it goes down the t. In theory I should have the same toss for all serves but man I can't seem to do that.
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
Great point. I need to work on my slice too. Its got potential but I rarely hit it and when I need it well its not home.

J011y had a thread where he talked about hitting a slice from a kickserve toss. I have gotten some points with that as it looks like I am going to hit out wide especially on the ad and it goes down the t. In theory I should have the same toss for all serves but man I can't seem to do that.
I changed everything up trying to understand what i'm doing after watching video of myself. Need to get things tightened up and repeatable. I used to toss out in front to the right and uncoil ccw to hit slice but thats gone. Don't remember maybe I stood like Mcenroe, platform just did whatever undefined . I think i'm going to start with one toss and try to hit the ball from different angles and spins and go from there.
 

StringSnapper

Hall of Fame
Imo you should try to execute a game plan.

If you dont execute it, you should be angry with yourself. Show you care. Get riled up. Do what you intended to do. If youre executing said game plan (and you've done a proper analysis that that game plan is the best against said opponent given both your abilities) AND youre still losing, well that opponent is just too good. You shouldnt be mad. Eyes wide open for that match, learn what future you has to do to beat them
 

Keendog

Professional
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heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
If I play happy I see points just wizzing by and games and sets. If I get angry they wiz by slower and games are won sometimes. Why is that?

And while I have some good reservoirs of anger I find that it takes soooo much energy to sustain. So its a short term solution. Any ideas on how to win happy or to sustain the intensity when angry?

I can never explain things right but I think my game needs a certain amount of aggression that anger helps with.

Well Connors played with anger but I think intensity might be a better word for the rest of us. If you're in a mellow mood you have to juice up the intensity to stay alert and ready to attack.

Just pretend your opponent stole your heaviest racquet with the kevlar strings and it's time for payback. :cool:
You can also hop around like a boxer before the point starts to ramp up intensity but this is very tiring.
 
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Deleted member 23235

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Maybe thats a better way. Though it seems like a beserker rage is what is called for.

So how does one accomplish that? Its hard to explain but if there isnt some sort of anger or hatred I find it hard to get into it. Here is an example I think. I recall this vividly. I was losing badly. I switched racquets and got very angry. And except for the hooking on the 1st return I won every point just swinging. my goal was just to hit the ball hard:

maybe that was your mechanism staying in the moment.
ie. you ignored everything else and focused on crushing the ball (vs. thinking about the score, the weather, etc...) - which is what you should be doing anyway.
the difference between intensity and anger, is anger prevents you from thinking... (eg. you might try to crush a ball that normally you'd know should not).
but it's also important to be "intense" even on delicate shots like droppers, etc...
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
If I play happy I see points just wizzing by and games and sets. If I get angry they wiz by slower and games are won sometimes. Why is that?

And while I have some good reservoirs of anger I find that it takes soooo much energy to sustain. So its a short term solution. Any ideas on how to win happy or to sustain the intensity when angry?

I can never explain things right but I think my game needs a certain amount of aggression that anger helps with.

It's not about being happy or angry.
When you are feeling happy, you are not focussing on your task. When you are angry, you are focussing on a particular thing but with a lot of tension - shallow breathing, muscle tightness etc. Neither good nor sustainable.
(Being happy is thinking about something good in the past or future, anger is thinking about something bad in the past or future - essentially you are not focused on what's important now when you are happy or angry).


What's needed then? Relaxed state of mind with a focus on one or two things that needs to be right now.
It's about learning to focus. We find it mentally draining to focus for a long time.
It can be learnt through practice and repetitions. How do we get started - decide on what you want to do and then ensure you are physically relaxed - deep or normal breathing, tension free muscles from head to toe. You will be on your way to a normal existence on the tennis court.

Example,
When returning, plan how you will hit and recover if the ball is to your bh and when it's to your fh.
When serving, plan what to hit and where to anticipate return. And now start normal breathing and ensure your muscles are not tight.
You will move better, hit shots well and so on. Repeat the same thing for each and every shot. Plan how to hit and where to recover. You have only two things to plan for, where do I return fh or bh.

Now, how do you or hard do you hit? Simple formula - the best shot you can no matter what the game situation is. You want to play your game and not dictated by what the opponent does or the score is. Always hit the best shot available to you based on where the ball is. Should we feel bad if we miss? While it's natural to feel disappointed, but we should expect to miss often, so dont feel about it. Plan how the next best shot should be. More spin, more elevation etc. Quickly change "how did I miss it" to "hit with more spin, get under the ball more, move the feet, stay low".
 
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Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Maybe thats a better way. Though it seems like a beserker rage is what is called for.

So how does one accomplish that? Its hard to explain but if there isnt some sort of anger or hatred I find it hard to get into it. Here is an example I think. I recall this vividly. I was losing badly. I switched racquets and got very angry. And except for the hooking on the 1st return I won every point just swinging. my goal was just to hit the ball hard:

Man, you're destroying that guys serve. He should start placing it more, this whole "hitting it straight at you" isn't working. Good job Shroud.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
If I play happy I see points just wizzing by and games and sets. If I get angry they wiz by slower and games are won sometimes. Why is that?

And while I have some good reservoirs of anger I find that it takes soooo much energy to sustain. So its a short term solution. Any ideas on how to win happy or to sustain the intensity when angry?

I can never explain things right but I think my game needs a certain amount of aggression that anger helps with.

Ok so this is just about you understanding yourself more than anything. Some people can get angry and their game goes to crap. Others it picks them up and gets them back into a match. Sometimes it can wind up doing both in a match. For me I can use my anger to get me picked back up and into a match. I might find myself too relaxed, too calm and just not doing what I need. I'll get angry with myself, remind myself what to do and start doing it. Generally this is bad for the opponent. It might be a slow process to get back depending on how poorly I was playing, but generally it works, but only for a short time. If I spend an entire match angry it's bad. But if I can use that burst of anger for maybe 10 - 15 minutes to get back into a set, even if I lose it, just so I know I'm improving and ready to take the next set then it's good. You have to learn to work with your emotions on the court. The more aware you are of yourself and what you can handle the better you can use your anger to come back. Give it time and you'll figure it out.
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
Don't need to play angry. Just rise up and play with that steely shroud determination, and choke the life out of your angry opponent slowly but surely:

Shroud
 

NuBas

Legend
Maybe thats a better way. Though it seems like a beserker rage is what is called for.

So how does one accomplish that? Its hard to explain but if there isnt some sort of anger or hatred I find it hard to get into it. Here is an example I think. I recall this vividly. I was losing badly. I switched racquets and got very angry. And except for the hooking on the 1st return I won every point just swinging. my goal was just to hit the ball hard:

I think if you really wanna examine why your performance enhances when you're angry, you should think about what it does to you. Being angry probably heightens your senses and focus so for that moment of intensity, you are more tuned in, more focused. You should find that sense of alertness but get rid of the frustration part.

An extreme example might be players who during warm-up and already starting to first bump or getting intense, that's them getting ready to focus on each point. I think rec players also should work on that aspect in addition to strokes and whatnot, work on the concentration. That definitely helped me to win more games against opponents I hadn't beaten before was just to focus more on each point.

I think the moment you shared on video was your intent was better, your intention was to strike the ball hard so there you go, you simplified your technique into one thing to focus on and you accomplished it. Prior to being angry, you probably were not focused on a single thing, some call it being in the zone. Tap into that zone, you cannot tap into it if you are thinking million things at once.

Its not the anger emotion but the focused feeling you're searching for. When you were angry your focus increased and you were determined to do one thing only (beat your friend up) or beat up the ball.
So next time you play a match, try being single focused on one thing intently and see how it goes.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
If I play happy I see points just wizzing by and games and sets. If I get angry they wiz by slower and games are won sometimes. Why is that?

And while I have some good reservoirs of anger I find that it takes soooo much energy to sustain. So its a short term solution. Any ideas on how to win happy or to sustain the intensity when angry?

I can never explain things right but I think my game needs a certain amount of aggression that anger helps with.
I play better when Angry. and think I am playing for the NCAA title. and JP Mac played well when he was angry, that is what he said, the reason for Temper tentrums.


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Rattler

Hall of Fame
Maybe thats a better way. Though it seems like a beserker rage is what is called for.

So how does one accomplish that? Its hard to explain but if there isnt some sort of anger or hatred I find it hard to get into it. Here is an example I think. I recall this vividly. I was losing badly. I switched racquets and got very angry. And except for the hooking on the 1st return I won every point just swinging. my goal was just to hit the ball hard:



Hahaha. Sometimes going with the ‘Id’ is the key.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@Shroud ... I don't play tennis angry unless when I yell at myself "you suck" is considered angry.

I do vote angry. :mad: Cr@p ... now this thread/post made me angry.
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
I think Sampras did it best in the first half of his career. Like a silent assassin
and JP Mac played well when he was angry, that is what he said, the reason for Temper tentrums.


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I think he lie

I remember him throwing tantrums only when he was the behind or the tide was turning against him...very strategic.
When he played great and was crushing unchallenged he was fairly well behaved.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
If I play happy I see points just wizzing by and games and sets. If I get angry they wiz by slower and games are won sometimes. Why is that?

And while I have some good reservoirs of anger I find that it takes soooo much energy to sustain. So its a short term solution. Any ideas on how to win happy or to sustain the intensity when angry?

I can never explain things right but I think my game needs a certain amount of aggression that anger helps with.

That explains why you are a top pro
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
I was pondering this thread and maybe the best thing to do is to develop an extreme hatred of the ball.
That works well in practice but now we need some control of it to keep it in the lines. So now your "disciplining" the ball, trying to make it your decipal but you want to caste it off less it keep coming back following you around.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
That works well in practice but now we need some control of it to keep it in the lines. So now your "disciplining" the ball, trying to make it your decipal but you want to caste it off less it keep coming back following you around.
I have taught you all you need to know so its time to leave....and I get pissed when it keeps coming back. Nice dude that can work.

Dunlops are dumb as rocks.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Happy feet? More swaying and dancing between points? Ready steps (prior to your split steps), butt kicks, vigorous twisting (upper body, lower body or both)? Incessant shadow swinging (à la Marion Bartoli) ...

Channeling Johnny Mac? Is playing "angry" (with intensity) your way of getting your juices/adrenaline (& testosterone) flowing? Maybe more movement between (and during) points will achieve the same thing without the anger. Perhaps a relaxed intensity is what you are really after. One thing that really helped me prior to competing or playing tennis (or badminton) was 10-20 minutes of cardio (including some intervals). Helped to get me in the Zone (a flow state) or achieve a Runner's High more quickly. Got my adrenaline, endorphins and/or endocannabinoids flowing -- without the anger.
 
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