Power Racquet vs Low powered Racquet Scenario .

[keepurpowderdry]

Ok So say the same skilled players with same strokes hit from the baseline with each other and the goal was to take control of the point (get the other person on the run).

Would the player with the higher powered racquet have any kind of advantage?

I am asking because The group I play with all play with high powered racquet's and we all like to hit from the baseline for practice with each other (play points).

So I was thinking of getting the Yonex Ti80 lite (I like the old school feel/low powered), but was worried about this kind of situation.

Thanks for your time,

Keep

 

[user92626]

Ok So say the same skilled players with same strokes hit from the baseline with each other and the goal was to take control of the point (get the other person on the run).

Would the player with the higher powered racquet have any kind of advantage?

I am asking because The group I play with all play with high powered racquet's and we all like to hit from the baseline for practice with each other (play points).

So I was thinking of getting the Yonex Ti80 lite (I like the old school feel/low powered), but was worried about this kind of situation.

Thanks for your time,

Keep

Given the bolded conditions.
Yes, the player with a higher powered racket will have an easier time hitting the ball deep, expensing less energy and have better manueverbility. But that is NOT to say he'll win for sure because there are other factors involved. For instance when shots become "heavy" (and it takes alot to produce a "heavy" shot with any racket) and a player has plenty of strength in the tank, the low powered racket will shine. It handles "heavy" shots a lot better, plus the shots coming off of it will also be heavy. Remember, its user swings with strength behind it. Got it?

 

[keepurpowderdry]

Given the bolded conditions.
Yes, the player with a higher powered racket will have an easier time hitting the ball deep, expensing less energy and have better manueverbility. But that is NOT to say he'll win for sure because there are other factors involved. For instance when shots become "heavy" (and it takes alot to produce a "heavy" shot with any racket) and a player has plenty of strength in the tank, the low powered racket will shine. It handles "heavy" shots a lot better, plus the shots coming off of it will also be heavy. Remember, its user swings with strength behind it. Got it?

Thanks for adding other factors ... And I like what you said about the low powered shining as the shots get faster heavier !!! Good news This is what I am looking for..

Yes the bolded conditions are the conditions all the time during the weekdays..

Any other thoughts people ??

 

[keepurpowderdry]

Given the bolded conditions.
Yes, the player with a higher powered racket will have an easier time hitting the ball deep, expensing less energy and have better manueverbility. But that is NOT to say he'll win for sure because there are other factors involved. For instance when shots become "heavy" (and it takes alot to produce a "heavy" shot with any racket) and a player has plenty of strength in the tank, the low powered racket will shine. It handles "heavy" shots a lot better, plus the shots coming off of it will also be heavy. Remember, its user swings with strength behind it. Got it?

I mean I love my yonex 001 mid but I now am looking at the Ti80 because its lighter and for head speed ..

Plus its a color change been waiting for hahaha Tired of wearing this all yellow outfit

 

[cork_screw]

Good question. I personally think a low powered racquet helps to control a ball during a very fast exchange. Against hard hitters, I do very well with a very low powered racquet as the ball tends to spray less and you don't really need to hold back or worry about hitting out of bounds as much as a high powered racquet. My case is Pure Drive Team.

On the flipside, a low powered racquet tends to be a little more of a challenge when hitting with someone like a pusher or counter puncher. I've played with 3.5's who don't generate any power at all. And when you're the one who's putting in 80% of the power in a rally and your opponent isn't pulling any weight, it takes a lot more out of you. It's also bit of a burden when you need to worry about putting power into a shot in a point and at the same time controlling it. My case in point is PS85. A racquet that has a very good mixture of both is the PB10 Mid.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

Good question. I personally think a low powered racquet helps to control a ball during a very fast exchange. Against hard hitters, I do very well with a very low powered racquet as the ball tends to spray less and you don't really need to hold back or worry about hitting out of bounds as much as a high powered racquet. My case is Pure Drive Team.

On the flipside, a low powered racquet tends to be a little more of a challenge when hitting with someone like a pusher or counter puncher. I've played with 3.5's who don't generate any power at all. And when you're the one who's putting in 80% of the power in a rally and your opponent isn't pulling any weight, it takes a lot more out of you. It's also bit of a burden when you need to worry about putting power into a shot in a point and at the same time controlling it. My case in point is PS85. A racquet that has a very good mixture of both is the PB10 Mid.

Very well said ! Because the week day tennis I am talking about is with 3.5 to 4.0 hitters that don't hit hard at all. So with my yonex 001 mid I was like you said , Doing all the work and they have high power racquets and their you have it.

So do you think the yonex Ti80 Lite which is lite but low powered would fit perfectly against this situation with me playing slow paced hitters during the week ? or shout I go with a more low to medium power racquet ? if so what ones do you recommend ?

 

[TimothyO]

After a recent encounter with a dinker I'm putting my AG 100 4D back in my racquet bag for use against pusher dinkers (we suspended our match when he face planted going for a short ball as I counter-dinked him with lob/drop shot combos...his face, shoulder, leg, and hand were bloodied, bruised, and skinned).

Lower power generally means more control. And trying to smash past a pusher-dinker with power can lead to more UEs by we low level players. You need a light, lower power racquet in long, control oriented anti-pusher rallies imo. Run him around the court, especially front to back with drop shots and lobs.

I love my heavier PB10 but it's overkill against players who don't or can't hit with pace. I use it against heavy hitters but will resurrect the 100 for counter-pushing vs dinkers.

 

[fuzz nation]

If you get the feeling that these different scenarios demand different types of frames, I think you'd be smart to keep your 001 mids in your bag and add the Ti 80 - or at least get a really thorough demo session with it. If you genuinely like a couple of different racquets, it can be much less distracting when playing with what seems to be the best "tool for the job". Just don't let your gear become a significant distraction. No matter what, it still comes down to how you swing it.

A powerful racquet - one with lots of pop - can make it easier to send the ball without much effort, but can also force a player to hold back in order to keep the ball down on the court. A control racquet with less lively response can actually allow a player to have a more powerful game, especially from the baseline. That extra control can give someone more of a license to really label the ball with a full stroke and still keep it in play.

No racquet does it all, but we probably tend to settle in with frames that give us enough control, right? Too much pop and the ball goes who-knows-where, but if it's too dead for a specific player, it can make hitting from the back court seem like trying to play uphill. I love a more powerful frame with snappy response for doubles, but a softer option with more control can give me a LOT more confidence in a singles setting. That's just me.

If you haven't tried the RD Ti 80 Lite yet, definitely get a test drive with it before you buy one. Compared with the 001 mid, it's both lighter and more flexible which could make for an unstable feeling "dead fish" of a racquet compared with your mids. I got one of the RQiS 1 Tours in a trade and it was borderline useless for me until I stabilized the head with some lead tape.

 

[dgoran]

After a recent encounter with a dinker I'm putting my AG 100 4D back in my racquet bag for use against pusher dinkers (we suspended our match when he face planted going for a short ball as I counter-dinked him with lob/drop shot combos...his face, shoulder, leg, and hand were bloodied, bruised, and skinned).

Lower power generally means more control. And trying to smash past a pusher-dinker with power can lead to more UEs by we low level players. You need a light, lower power racquet in long, control oriented anti-pusher rallies imo. Run him around the court, especially front to back with drop shots and lobs.

I love my heavier PB10 but it's overkill against players who don't or can't hit with pace. I use it against heavy hitters but will resurrect the 100 for counter-pushing vs dinkers.

Exactly my findings my pt630 feels like an overkill when I find myself playing a league match agains somebody who cannot produce a heavy shot. I almost feel like my heavy stick is disadvantage against dinkers. But its god sent agains heavy to normal hitters. Problem is that there are 2% of heavy hitters in my supposedly highest league in town (A+) so it really sucks to play with my favorite racket 98% of the time.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

If you get the feeling that these different scenarios demand different types of frames, I think you'd be smart to keep your 001 mids in your bag and add the Ti 80 - or at least get a really thorough demo session with it. If you genuinely like a couple of different racquets, it can be much less distracting when playing with what seems to be the best "tool for the job". Just don't let your gear become a significant distraction. No matter what, it still comes down to how you swing it.

A powerful racquet - one with lots of pop - can make it easier to send the ball without much effort, but can also force a player to hold back in order to keep the ball down on the court. A control racquet with less lively response can actually allow a player to have a more powerful game, especially from the baseline. That extra control can give someone more of a license to really label the ball with a full stroke and still keep it in play.

I was thinking dunlop 200 lite to ? You have any ideas for me to demo ?

No racquet does it all, but we probably tend to settle in with frames that give us enough control, right? Too much pop and the ball goes who-knows-where, but if it's too dead for a specific player, it can make hitting from the back court seem like trying to play uphill. I love a more powerful frame with snappy response for doubles, but a softer option with more control can give me a LOT more confidence in a singles setting. That's just me.

If you haven't tried the RD Ti 80 Lite yet, definitely get a test drive with it before you buy one. Compared with the 001 mid, it's both lighter and more flexible which could make for an unstable feeling "dead fish" of a racquet compared with your mids. I got one of the RQiS 1 Tours in a trade and it was borderline useless for me until I stabilized the head with some lead tape.

When you say you like a more powerful racquet with a snappy response would that fit the rdis 200 mid plus? Just checking to see how far my knowledge has gotten by reading here on tw. Thanks for your input..

So you thing the Ti80 lite could be a dead fish ? I didn't check again but aren't you a yonex user or advocat

Do you have any racquets you think I could demo that may be close to the Ti80 maybe the rdis 200 lite ?

 

[bad_call]

Exactly my findings my pt630 feels like an overkill when I find myself playing a league match agains somebody who cannot produce a heavy shot. I almost feel like my heavy stick is disadvantage against dinkers. But its god sent agains heavy to normal hitters. Problem is that there are 2% of heavy hitters in my supposedly highest league in town (A+) so it really sucks to play with my favorite racket 98% of the time.

funny post here... :lol:

 

[thebeast73]

depending on if your using a granny racket or just something like an apd, you might find more power because you can swing out more and not cannon it out. Also it probably won't be as noticeable as you think.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

depending on if your using a granny racket or just something like an apd, you might find more power because you can swing out more and not cannon it out. Also it probably won't be as noticeable as you think.

So a low to medium powered racquet might have the best of both worlds ? (swing all out and flatten it out for cannon shot)?

 

[keepurpowderdry]

funny post here... :lol:

elaborate please I'm looking for information.

Thanks

 

[fuzz nation]

Exactly my findings my pt630 feels like an overkill when I find myself playing a league match agains somebody who cannot produce a heavy shot. I almost feel like my heavy stick is disadvantage against dinkers. But its god sent agains heavy to normal hitters. Problem is that there are 2% of heavy hitters in my supposedly highest league in town (A+) so it really sucks to play with my favorite racket 98% of the time.

Very similar experience here. I have a pair of LM Prestige mids which are absolute wrecking balls for me, but I can only play full speed with them, and only when I'm in good form (these are 13.4 oz. racquets). If I fill in let's say for my Dad's doubles group and have to play at no more than 3/4 speed, I can't hit with nearly the touch and control that I can with some lighter frames.

On the other hand, one of my big hitting pals and I like to work out on the practice courts with a combo of grind sessions and some sets, too. If I need to trade blows in a wide open setting like that, it's much easier to hit with both authority and consistency with those "tree trunks". My pal has been on the receiving end of my shots and has told me how much better I hit against him with those frames.

 

[OldButGame]

Exactly my findings my pt630 feels like an overkill when I find myself playing a league match agains somebody who cannot produce a heavy shot. I almost feel like my heavy stick is disadvantage against dinkers. But its god sent agains heavy to normal hitters. Problem is that there are 2% of heavy hitters in my supposedly highest league in town (A+) so it really sucks to play with my favorite racket 98% of the time.

Very similar experience here. I have a pair of LM Prestige mids which are absolute wrecking balls for me, but I can only play full speed with them, and only when I'm in good form (these are 13.4 oz. racquets). If I fill in let's say for my Dad's doubles group and have to play at no more than 3/4 speed, I can't hit with nearly the touch and control that I can with some lighter frames.

On the other hand, one of my big hitting pals and I like to work out on the practice courts with a combo of grind sessions and some sets, too. If I need to trade blows in a wide open setting like that, it's much easier to hit with both authority and consistency with those "tree trunks". My pal has been on the receiving end of my shots and has told me how much better I hit against him with those frames.

Simlar findings here too,...I like the heavy sticks for the heavy balls that You force errors on them,...and even more for the stability against big servers. I at the same time , like Fuzz, I find the light sticks better for the touch game, and if my intention is to make the guy run his *** off. For these reasons I'll usually bring some completely different sticks to a match,...to adapt to the given situation. I've gotten so familiar with all my sticks that I'm getting to be able to move among them w/o a huge 'adaptation' phase.
(Fuzz,..The comment about playin with Your dads league keeps me optimistic about many tennis years still ahead of me!!!)

 

[fuzz nation]

When you say you like a more powerful racquet with a snappy response would that fit the rdis 200 mid plus? Just checking to see how far my knowledge has gotten by reading here on tw. Thanks for your input..

So you thing the Ti80 lite could be a dead fish ? I didn't check again but aren't you a yonex user or advocat

Do you have any racquets you think I could demo that may be close to the Ti80 maybe the rdis 200 lite ?

For clarification, my more powerful, snappy racquet that I prefer for serve and volley action as well as heavy doubles is my 12.8 oz. ProStaff 6.1 Classic. I can also use those for singles, but I've found more control around the baseline with frames having similar weight and balance, but more flex. They give me less pop (snappy response), but more control for full swings.

While a very hefty racquet with a lot of flex allows me to hit hard with a lot of control, it's much easier for me to play at slower speeds with a mildly lighter frame. The lightest racquets I use are probably around 12.5 oz. with a lot of HL balance, so even the RQiS 1 Tour is too light and soft for me in its stock layout. I can knock around with it if I'm teaching or coaching, but it's too light and unresponsive (for me) when hitting full speed.

If you're looking for a more mellow alternative to your 001 mid, then something a little lighter, a little softer, or both ought to give you that. It looks to me that both the RD Ti 80 and the RDiS 200 in the Lite models would certainly be a step down from your 001 mid in terms of the pop that you'd probably see in your shots.

I think that your original post gave me the impression that you were looking for something that either could give you easier power or more control when hitting wide open, but your follow-ups look as though you want an alternative for lighter play. If so, you could even add the RQiS 1 Tour to your list I think. If you want something that's a bit less of a bludgeon out there, you may only need to go a few tenths of an ounce lighter to find something more civilized - the regular RDiS 200 may also work just fine (that Lite version looks reeeeeeally light!).

 

[keepurpowderdry]

For clarification, my more powerful, snappy racquet that I prefer for serve and volley action as well as heavy doubles is my 12.8 oz. ProStaff 6.1 Classic. I can also use those for singles, but I've found more control around the baseline with frames having similar weight and balance, but more flex. They give me less pop (snappy response), but more control for full swings.

While a very hefty racquet with a lot of flex allows me to hit hard with a lot of control, it's much easier for me to play at slower speeds with a mildly lighter frame. The lightest racquets I use are probably around 12.5 oz. with a lot of HL balance, so even the RQiS 1 Tour is too light and soft for me in its stock layout. I can knock around with it if I'm teaching or coaching, but it's too light and unresponsive (for me) when hitting full speed.

If you're looking for a more mellow alternative to your 001 mid, then something a little lighter, a little softer, or both ought to give you that. It looks to me that both the RD Ti 80 and the RDiS 200 in the Lite models would certainly be a step down from your 001 mid in terms of the pop that you'd probably see in your shots.

I think that your original post gave me the impression that you were looking for something that either could give you easier power or more control when hitting wide open, but your follow-ups look as though you want an alternative for lighter play. If so, you could even add the RQiS 1 Tour to your list I think. If you want something that's a bit less of a bludgeon out there, you may only need to go a few tenths of an ounce lighter to find something more civilized - the regular RDiS 200 may also work just fine (that Lite version looks reeeeeeally light!).

Yeah I want a lighter stick for doubles against slower paced 3.5 /4.0 but I'm questionable on the ones that say low to moderate power like the prince warrior os . You see I have an eastern forehand am a very strong but I seem to think because I have an eastern forehand and that mixed in that I hit with windshield wiper swing I think it's to heavy for doubles for me. Kinda like what the other posters are saying.

The prince warrior os sounds good except that last time I tried to play with an over size racquet it felt very awkward and my eastern forehand sailed long all the time. I am learning the semi western forehand so so maybe like you said a little bit lighter than my yonex will be good . So maybe yes the yonex rdis 200 or lite 200 , Oh boy I am tired now hahahaha... I promise if you help me and I find the racquet that I will die or gets to heavy again lol,,, I will still be on this site giving back to you all

 

[bad_call]

elaborate please I'm looking for information.

Thanks

not to be rude or the such, thinking "back in the day" when i had but one JK Pro Staff woodie and faced all sorts in competitive play. learned how to play the junk ballers, drop shotters, big hitters, etc with the same racquet. options were limited.

currently there appear to be more options than ever and that may be a distraction.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

not to be rude or the such, thinking "back in the day" when i had but one JK Pro Staff woodie and faced all sorts in competitive play. learned how to play the junk ballers, drop shotters, big hitters, etc with the same racquet. options were limited.

currently there appear to be more options than ever and that may be a distraction.

Yeah back in the days (1986) I was a small kid that used a dunlop black max over 12.0 ounces and I never remembered my racquet being over weighted because my mom gave her last bit of cash to buy me that racquet and I knew it was one of the more expensive ones so I was happy as hell

Weird thing is I am 5 times stronger than I was back then and I am complaining about my yonex 001 mid being to heavy against the doubles I play where they hit slow all the time. I feel the same way that I am doing all the work and wish I had a lighter racquet . I have a big flat serve and I like to hit my ground strokes with a above average amount of spin but I use a eastern forehand and I think I feel like the eastern forehand seems to make me work harder to produce the wind shield wiper swing .. Let me know what you think about that. So I am looking at the prince warrior os and the yonex Ti80 lite and maybe the regular rdis 200.. I am currently learning to hit more of a semi western forehand..

Thanks for your time.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

After a recent encounter with a dinker I'm putting my AG 100 4D back in my racquet bag for use against pusher dinkers (we suspended our match when he face planted going for a short ball as I counter-dinked him with lob/drop shot combos...his face, shoulder, leg, and hand were bloodied, bruised, and skinned).

Lower power generally means more control. And trying to smash past a pusher-dinker with power can lead to more UEs by we low level players. You need a light, lower power racquet in long, control oriented anti-pusher rallies imo. Run him around the court, especially front to back with drop shots and lobs.

I love my heavier PB10 but it's overkill against players who don't or can't hit with pace. I use it against heavy hitters but will resurrect the 100 for counter-pushing vs dinkers.

Thanks for your experience . I think this is very true.. I am looking at the prince warrior os , the Ti80 lite and maybe the heavier rdis 200 . I have an eastern forehand and I seem to think that because i use a windshield wiper swing path that the eastern forehand is making me work way to hard with my yonex 001 mid.. OK thanks for your time ..

 

[bad_call]

Yeah back in the days (1986) I was a small kid that used a dunlop black max over 12.0 ounces and I never remembered my racquet being over weighted because my mom gave her last bit of cash to buy me that racquet and I knew it was one of the more expensive ones so I was happy as hell

Weird thing is I am 5 times stronger than I was back then and I am complaining about my yonex 001 mid being to heavy against the doubles I play where they hit slow all the time. I feel the same way that I am doing all the work and wish I had a lighter racquet . I have a big flat serve and I like to hit my ground strokes with a above average amount of spin but I use a eastern forehand and I think I feel like the eastern forehand seems to make me work harder to produce the wind shield wiper swing .. Let me know what you think about that. So I am looking at the prince warrior os and the yonex Ti80 lite and maybe the regular rdis 200.. I am currently learning to hit more of a semi western forehand..

Thanks for your time.

i still use an eastern fh and 1hbh. hit moderate topspin with the fh (thanks to the larger head size and poly strings) but flatten it out when the opportunity arises. low powered strings at lower tension work well for holding the ball a bit longer and thus my preferred game style. be comfortable and confident with whatever fh grip you choose. you'll enjoy the game more.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

i still use an eastern fh and 1hbh. hit moderate topspin with the fh (thanks to the larger head size and poly strings) but flatten it out when the opportunity arises. low powered strings at lower tension work well for holding the ball a bit longer and thus my preferred game style. be comfortable and confident with whatever fh grip you choose. you'll enjoy the game more.

Thanks,

I tried the ashaway crossfire 18 gauge at 42 47 and I felt that, "holding the ball longer feeling" and I liked it allot. Now hope that set up will be a good in say the prince warrior os or the dunlop 300 bio , or I might try the heavier yonex rdis 200 only if I decide to abandon my 1 handed back hand and go back to my 2 handed back hand..

I want to simplify tennis and get on to getting better at constructing points and refining my technique ! lol

 

[keepurpowderdry]

If you get the feeling that these different scenarios demand different types of frames, I think you'd be smart to keep your 001 mids in your bag and add the Ti 80 - or at least get a really thorough demo session with it. If you genuinely like a couple of different racquets, it can be much less distracting when playing with what seems to be the best "tool for the job". Just don't let your gear become a significant distraction. No matter what, it still comes down to how you swing it.

A powerful racquet - one with lots of pop - can make it easier to send the ball without much effort, but can also force a player to hold back in order to keep the ball down on the court. A control racquet with less lively response can actually allow a player to have a more powerful game, especially from the baseline. That extra control can give someone more of a license to really label the ball with a full stroke and still keep it in play.

No racquet does it all, but we probably tend to settle in with frames that give us enough control, right? Too much pop and the ball goes who-knows-where, but if it's too dead for a specific player, it can make hitting from the back court seem like trying to play uphill. I love a more powerful frame with snappy response for doubles, but a softer option with more control can give me a LOT more confidence in a singles setting. That's just me.

If you haven't tried the RD Ti 80 Lite yet, definitely get a test drive with it before you buy one. Compared with the 001 mid, it's both lighter and more flexible which could make for an unstable feeling "dead fish" of a racquet compared with your mids. I got one of the RQiS 1 Tours in a trade and it was borderline useless for me until I stabilized the head with some lead tape.

Thanks man , I am going to demo the TI80 lite and the prince tt warrior os !

Going to be very interesting because the Ti80 is the light/ low powered like you said and then the warrior is light with power stiffer like the way you mentioned you like for doubles.. can't wait.. I will let you know what i think if your interested

Forgot to mention , I see a 12.2 ounce frame is your lightest you use. Puzzles me because I am very upper body strong and at the same time I use the right technique (using core and legs to generate the momentum to swing , not just arms) and my core and lower body is not that strong but not weak either. I still get tired with my 12.0 racquet (at least I think my 001 mid is 12.0 strung?) Anyway I have a 1 handed back hand with a 2 handed return of serve back hand so the 12 ounces may well get me tired from my 1 hander who knows.. It's funny when I was 13 years old I used a dunlop black max witch was heavier than my 001 mid hahaha..

 

[nickarnold2000]

Interesting posts because I don't know of anyone in my group of singles players(approximately 10-12 guys ranging from 4.5 - 5.5) who switch from light to heavy rackets(or back again) depending on whether they're playing pushers or doubles.
They all just go out there and play and use the same sticks for everything(generally stock).
I also seem to have the heaviest frames of anyone!

 

[keepurpowderdry]

Interesting posts because I don't know of anyone in my group of singles players(approximately 10-12 guys ranging from 4.5 - 5.5) who switch from light to heavy rackets(or back again) depending on whether they're playing pushers or doubles.
They all just go out there and play and use the same sticks for everything(generally stock).
I also seem to have the heaviest frames of anyone!

Well for your group being 4.5 to 5.5 I am sure they are hitting with more pace than say 3.5 pace hitters . Thats pretty much what some of the people on here are talking about in a doubles situation against a no pace hitter. So they seem to play against that no pace hitter better with a lighter racquet.

Your 4.5 to 5.5 would diffidently be efficient to stay with my/their players racquet all the time just like you and your group.

 

[olliess]

Well for your group being 4.5 to 5.5 I am sure they are hitting with more pace than say 3.5 pace hitters . Thats pretty much what some of the people on here are talking about in a doubles situation against a no pace hitter. So they seem to play against that no pace hitter better with a lighter racquet.

This is sounding a little like those "we hate 65-year-old pushers" threads. If you find it difficult or tiring to hit with placement and consistency against no pace using your regular racquet, then how is that going to help you against a heavy hitter who gives you much less time to set up?

 

[keepurpowderdry]

This is sounding a little like those "we hate 65-year-old pushers" threads. If you find it difficult or tiring to hit with placement and consistency against no pace using your regular racquet, then how is that going to help you against a heavy hitter who gives you much less time to set up?

I find it tiring to try and put away shots against slow paced shots.

As for you saying, "how is that going to help you against a heavy hitter who gives you much less time to set up?"

Well i only play heavy hitters in singles on other days with other people so I have more time than I would in doubles..

Hate is a strong word that I make a point not to use or feel. I am not speaking for everyone on this post .. Any thoughts posters ?

 

[skraggle]

Thanks man , I am going to demo the TI80 lite and the prince tt warrior os !

Going to be very interesting because the Ti80 is the light/ low powered like you said and then the warrior is light with power stiffer like the way you mentioned you like for doubles.. can't wait.. I will let you know what i think if your interested

Forgot to mention , I see a 12.2 ounce frame is your lightest you use. Puzzles me because I am very upper body strong and at the same time I use the right technique (using core and legs to generate the momentum to swing , not just arms) and my core and lower body is not that strong but not weak either. I still get tired with my 12.0 racquet (at least I think my 001 mid is 12.0 strung?) Anyway I have a 1 handed back hand with a 2 handed return of serve back hand so the 12 ounces may well get me tired from my 1 hander who knows.. It's funny when I was 13 years old I used a dunlop black max witch was heavier than my 001 mid hahaha..

The TT Warrior OS is a terrific frame, and works best for me strung tight. This further reduces the already small amount of power and lets you really feel the flex of the frame and hit out without the ball flying on you.

Spin is easy to produce and you can get the ball to drop deep with consistency if your strokes are solid and repeatable. It is also oddly proficient at net, something you might not expect from a slightly longer and lighter OS stick.

 

[olliess]

I find it tiring to try and put away shots against slow paced shots.

My point is that, if it's tiring to generate some pace when you have time to prep, then it won't get any easier when you're rushed. A heavy player's racquet often has more real power than a lighter "power" racquet -- provided you have plenty of time to get it in motion. But if you often feel that you need to get "out of control" to generate sufficient pace, then maybe the racquet just requires too much time and effort for your strokes.

On the other hand, not every putaway against a sitter needs to be a 100 mph winner!

Hate is a strong word that I make a point not to use or feel. I am not speaking for everyone on this post .. Any thoughts posters ?

It's just a joking reference to a recent thread title...

 

[keepurpowderdry]

My point is that, if it's tiring to generate some pace when you have time to prep is tiring, then it won't get any easier when you're rushed. A heavy player's racquet often has more real power than a lighter "power" racquet -- provided you have plenty of time to get it in motion. But if you often feel that you need to get "out of control" to generate sufficient pace, then maybe the racquet just requires too much time and effort for your strokes.

On the other hand, not every putaway against a sitter needs to be a 100 mph winner!


It's just a joking reference to a recent thread title...

lol ,, I thought you where going to say , "I'm just kidding" lol

 

[keepurpowderdry]

My point is that, if it's tiring to generate some pace when you have time to prep, then it won't get any easier when you're rushed. A heavy player's racquet often has more real power than a lighter "power" racquet -- provided you have plenty of time to get it in motion. But if you often feel that you need to get "out of control" to generate sufficient pace, then maybe the racquet just requires too much time and effort for your strokes.

On the other hand, not every putaway against a sitter needs to be a 100 mph winner!


It's just a joking reference to a recent thread title...

I don't have time to prep in doubles . I do have time to prep in singles. yes your right my players racquet for doubles requires to much time and effort for my strokes especially because I have a eastern forehand with a modern windshield wiper stroke.. Thats why I am demoing the tt warrior os and the Ti80 lite..

 

[thug the bunny]

For me I have no issue using a low powered control stick against pushers and dinkers. I can't wait to get the right sitter and pull my Bab PSL way back, turn the shoulders, and POW! Or, you can just take each lollipop ball and use a nice smooth stroke to run the poor slob side to side until you decide to end his misery. True, if you're playing a 3 set match, you will need better conditioning and arm strength than if you used a light power stick, but even at 50 I don't find that a problem (yet!)

 

[nickarnold2000]

Well for your group being 4.5 to 5.5 I am sure they are hitting with more pace than say 3.5 pace hitters . Thats pretty much what some of the people on here are talking about in a doubles situation against a no pace hitter. So they seem to play against that no pace hitter better with a lighter racquet.

Your 4.5 to 5.5 would diffidently be efficient to stay with my/their players racquet all the time just like you and your group.

It is true that I don't play the pusher -dinker type players in singles as much as I used to(once in a while early in a tournament) but I occasionally have to play doubles with lower level partners(due to court space) and I don't need to change to a low powered stick to deal with their slower shots(and I use a leaded up tweener).
IMO, you should be able to handle all sorts of different speed shots and players with the same racket specs.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

For me I have no issue using a low powered control stick against pushers and dinkers. I can't wait to get the right sitter and pull my Bab PSL way back, turn the shoulders, and POW! Or, you can just take each lollipop ball and use a nice smooth stroke to run the poor slob side to side until you decide to end his misery. True, if you're playing a 3 set match, you will need better conditioning and arm strength than if you used a light power stick, but even at 50 I don't find that a problem (yet!)

what about doubles though ? You can't run people side to side in that situation. So no pace for me in doubles is a problem.

 

[keepurpowderdry]

It is true that I don't play the pusher -dinker type players in singles as much as I used to(once in a while early in a tournament) but I occasionally have to play doubles with lower level partners(due to court space) and I don't need to change to a low powered stick to deal with their slower shots(and I use a leaded up tweener).
IMO, you should be able to handle all sorts of different speed shots and players with the same racket specs.

I agree. I guess what I am thinking is I hear how people say for example The TT warrior over size is fun to play with .. I now realize what that means. So I think for doubles play that is slower paced , would be much more enjoyable (fun) to play with a lighter tweener racquet for me.

I have to admit thought , I am the type of person that loves hitting more than winning

 

[fuzz nation]

Thanks man , I am going to demo the TI80 lite and the prince tt warrior os !

Going to be very interesting because the Ti80 is the light/ low powered like you said and then the warrior is light with power stiffer like the way you mentioned you like for doubles.. can't wait.. I will let you know what i think if your interested

Forgot to mention , I see a 12.2 ounce frame is your lightest you use. Puzzles me because I am very upper body strong and at the same time I use the right technique (using core and legs to generate the momentum to swing , not just arms) and my core and lower body is not that strong but not weak either. I still get tired with my 12.0 racquet (at least I think my 001 mid is 12.0 strung?) Anyway I have a 1 handed back hand with a 2 handed return of serve back hand so the 12 ounces may well get me tired from my 1 hander who knows.. It's funny when I was 13 years old I used a dunlop black max witch was heavier than my 001 mid hahaha..

Cool - I use a one-hander to rally, along with a two-handed topspin return of serve, too. Yes, I'm quite interested to hear how the demos work out for you. Tell me more about how you get fatigued with your 001 mid, too.

When I play doubles, I'm doing a lot more blocking of the ball instead of taking big cuts at it. Proper technique and a stable racquet see me through in that sort of setting. I've owned lighter gear including the LM Radical mp, but even with lead on the hoop, I couldn't manage a doubles game with enough authority on my shots. My ProStaff 6.1 Classics (12.8 oz.) remain my all-time favorites for that sort of work.

I guess it's generally the case that I need racquets that are heavy and stable enough for me. My tastes can vary though, from one day to the next. My very heaviest frames might seem best for hard hitting singles on one day, but something slightly lighter may seem more manageable for another. My quickness in a doubles setting is usually about sound footwork and a fast shoulder turn, since I usually only need to get the racquet behind the ball. I don't need to swing as much as with a singles format.

That blah-blah-blah about me is to hopefully give you an idea of where I'm coming from in the gear experience. Maybe it's the case that you can enjoy something lighter that's still heavy enough for you, right?

 

[fuzz nation]

In response to ^^^ :

It was at that point that the entire TT community paused, looked around at one another, and with eerie unison everyone asked, "Who let this guy into the party?"

 

[rudester]

IMHO the heaviest racquet one can handle is best, learn to use it and don't switch racquets around. Little is mentioned here about good technique and especially footwork. I think that if one learns to "let the racquet do the work" with good preparation and footwork, the result is a heavier ball with less effort than flailing with a frame that is too light. Many really good players have switched to lighter frames due to the years or injury catching up with their footwork. The lighter frames allow them to hit more quality shots while reaching, and with more time compression. To clarify i am equating lighter racquets to more power, and heavier racquets less power in general.

 

[thug the bunny]

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