Pro's Pro Strings!?

4-string

Professional
No. Seriously, ball-to-string friction is one of the most overrated characteristics out there. The strings will grab the ball either way.

Ball-to-string friction might very well be overrated, I'm no expert. If I understand you correctly you think that string snap back is what creates spin in this case? Or is it something else? Snap back is controversial around here as well as far as I can tell.

Re Ichiban Spin - strung up a racket with it the other night, 1.21. What a pain to string, so much kinking and twisting.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Ball-to-string friction might very well be overrated, I'm no expert. If I understand you correctly you think that string snap back is what creates spin in this case? Or is it something else? Snap back is controversial around here as well as far as I can tell.

Re Ichiban Spin - strung up a racket with it the other night, 1.21. What a pain to string, so much kinking and twisting.
The most "friction" is produced by easy string movement, because the strings moving out of place and decelerating the ball apply a force on the ball for a longer period of time and can grab the decelerated ball better (it is easier to grab a slower ball than a very fast one). Even a decrease in ball to string friction (which is doubtful to begin with) would have less of an effect than a increase in string to string friction from a state in which the strings are not moving effectively. Ball to string friction is helpful in making it easier to displace the string, but TW's numbers do not show a clear correlation between slick coatings, shape, texture, etc. with ball to string friction either.
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
The most "friction" is produced by easy string movement, because the strings moving out of place and decelerating the ball apply a force on the ball for a longer period of time and can grab the decelerated ball better (it is easier to grab a slower ball than a very fast one). Even a decrease in ball to string friction (which is doubtful to begin with) would have less of an effect than a increase in string to string friction from a state in which the strings are not moving effectively. Ball to string friction is helpful in making it easier to displace the string, but TW's numbers do not show a clear correlation between slick coatings, shape, texture, etc. with ball to string friction either.

Is this why gut/poly produces so much spin? The gut is easy to displace and is very elastic so the snapback is still there and the poly acts as a smooth surface for the gut to move?
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
Ball-to-string friction might very well be overrated, I'm no expert. If I understand you correctly you think that string snap back is what creates spin in this case? Or is it something else? Snap back is controversial around here as well as far as I can tell.

Re Ichiban Spin - strung up a racket with it the other night, 1.21. What a pain to string, so much kinking and twisting.
Give us a review for Ichiban Spin and compare it to PHT if you have used it.
 

YarikA99

Rookie
Stratagem 8 has a soft feel and is fairly powerful for a poly, offering very good spin. It is for those who want a lively poly for topspin.
Black Out feels stiffer, has better control and a more direct response (is better for touch shots). It also is slightly less lively, so it offers slightly less spin IMO.
I am not sure about Black Force in thicker gauges unfortunately…

Hope that helps.

What about Black Force 1.14, how does that compare to Strategem 8 and Black Out?
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Has anyone tried the Power synthetic as a cross? I'm reluctant to buy a reel, even though it's very cheap, because the regular synthetic (prestretched) is a piece of ....
It's almost the same as HiTech Multifiber, except for the smell intensity.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
I was going to order a couple of reels and so far i have chosen Spinox 16l and Devil Spin. I am looking for another poly that behaves like rpm blast and I can't quite decide between Strategem 8, Black Force or maybe Black Out, but i am leaning more towards strategem 8. If anyone has tried these strings can they compare them to see which is better.

Hexaspin 1.25 is probably better than RPM Blast and definitely more comfortable, Strategem 1.25 starts deflecting after 5 hours, 1.30 holds much longer.
 

Slitch

Rookie
WD-40 is legal. On clay the wd40 gets absorbed to fast. I can make the strings unpredictabl

Has anyone seen the new poly string Interceptor? Could it be a Yonex copy?
 

Keoni068

Rookie
Might you, or anyone, have a recommendation for which string plays most similar to Tour Bite 18? I love the string, but if I can find something cheaper that plays similar I'd be all for it. I love that the 18g is comfortable, low power, with high spin potential all with great tension stability. Might Black Force come close? Devil Spin? Stratagem 8? Or am I not even close?

Thanks and all the best!
 
Might you, or anyone, have a recommendation for which string plays most similar to Tour Bite 18? I love the string, but if I can find something cheaper that plays similar I'd be all for it. I love that the 18g is comfortable, low power, with high spin potential all with great tension stability. Might Black Force come close? Devil Spin? Stratagem 8? Or am I not even close?

Thanks and all the best!

I've heard comparisons of Blackout to Tour Bite most frequently.

FWIW, I've been hitting Strategem 8 (1.30) in one of my frames. Few hours of heavy hitting, and it's lost quite a bit of tension, and has become trampoline-y. (Racket tune says it's at 40lbs now, got it strung at 52).

In my other frame (same model, Yonex Ezone Xi 100), I've been hitting with Kirschbaum Proline X for an equal amount of time, and it's measuring 50lbs on racket tune (also strung @ 52). Seems to keep control longer, although the "crazy spin" with both strings seems to diminish evenly (as most poly's I've played with do, after about an hour or so). Still lots of spin when I need it, but not the "forehand-jumping-up-in-opponents-face" spin I get when they're fresh :p
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
I've been hitting Strategem 8 (1.30) in one of my frames. Few hours of heavy hitting, and it's lost quite a bit of tension, and has become trampoline

Strung it as crosses to 1.35 NG. 25 kg set, 25 resultant tension, 25 in 6 hours heavy training with ball machine.
 

Keoni068

Rookie
Might you, or anyone, have a recommendation for which string plays most similar to Tour Bite 18? I love the string, but if I can find something cheaper that plays similar I'd be all for it. I love that the 18g is comfortable, low power, with high spin potential all with great tension stability. Might Black Force come close? Devil Spin? Stratagem 8? Or am I not even close?

Thanks and all the best!

Might anyone else have a thought regarding which string is comparable in comfort, power and spin to Tour Bite 18?

Thanks for your time!
 

Kenny022593

Professional
Can anyone recommend what smooth pros pros poly will offer a similar response to Hexaspin? I really like how shaped strings play and feel, but they saw through multis like nothing. I've hit the real red code and really do not like it, so I don't think I will like Red Devil.
 

veecee

Rookie
Trying to decide between Black Out, Nano Vendetta, Spinox and Plus Power. How do they compare against each other in terms of power, control and comfort?
 
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Slitch

Rookie
I ordered 2 reels from pro's pro: synthetic power white and Vendetta Orange 1.25. Very curious how these will perform in a hybrid.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Can anyone recommend what smooth pros pros poly will offer a similar response to Hexaspin? I really like how shaped strings play and feel, but they saw through multis like nothing. I've hit the real red code and really do not like it, so I don't think I will like Red Devil.
Intense Heat in open string patterns has a response similar to shaped polys IMO. It has a muted response as a string though and offers great spin (control thanks to this) and power, but not much touch.
 

Kenny022593

Professional
Intense Heat in open string patterns has a response similar to shaped polys IMO. It has a muted response as a string though and offers great spin (control thanks to this) and power, but not much touch.

I'm playing with a Tfight 305, which is 18x19. Do you think it will still be similar?
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm playing with a Tfight 305, which is 18x19. Do you think it will still be similar?
Hmmm probably not… Perhaps a thinner gauge of PP Concept? The others that may be worth a try are (Nano) Cyber Power and Nano Vendetta, though I haven't ever tried them personally.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Concept 1.20 is indeed similar to Hexaspin 1.20, Cyber Power is more like Hexaspin 1.25 but a little bit more harsh to the elbow.
 

Hui

New User
Has anyone tried Pro Lethal 5? I ' ve seen many comparisons of vendetta, hexaspin, nano vendetta ... but did not see any review of Lethal 5
 

mye0330

Rookie
Has anyone tried Pro Lethal 5? I ' ve seen many comparisons of vendetta, hexaspin, nano vendetta ... but did not see any review of Lethal 5
I am playing with a set of lethal 5 that someone gave me. plays very well. compared to the cyclone it is stiffer and little less bite, little less top spin. control is very good and durability seems to be pretty good too. after 6 hours or so the strings still feel pretty good. for the price definitely a great value.
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
Spent some time with Pro's Pro Nano Vendetta, took her out to some nice clubs, she met the parents too (dads racket). Could be the beginning of a relationship.

It is quite muted, strung it a bit higher around 45/47lbs. The control is amazing. It is lower powered, nice to serve with. I will have to try the 1.30 mm silver version, but this string is not even similar to any of the strings it has been compared to.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
Can anyone recommend what smooth pros pros poly will offer a similar response to Hexaspin? I really like how shaped strings play and feel, but they saw through multis like nothing. I've hit the real red code and really do not like it, so I don't think I will like Red Devil.

are you looking for:
power/comfort (pros.pro red devil) $
or
power/control (tecnf red code) $$$$$
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
I ordered 2 reels from pro's pro: synthetic power white and Vendetta Orange 1.25. Very curious how these will perform in a hybrid.

i was looking for white strings, i see natural color only, how did you get pros.pros.synt.power WHITE?? are you in europe, or us??
 

Kenny022593

Professional
are you looking for:
power/comfort (pros.pro red devil) $
or
power/control (tecnf red code) $$$$$

I'm looking for affordability. I mentioned my opinion on red code because I know people equate it to red devil. I switched to Hexaspin from Gamma Moto because of price. I think I can get a reel of Moto for around $120, but at $40 it's a no brainer. It's not exactly the same, but it's textured and has a response that I like. Granted, I've really enjoyed every hexa/heptagon string I've hit that wasn't twisted.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
Thank you, Kenny. I'm hitting around with blackout in a full bed. performs well but i do not like the feel/feedback
 

Kenny022593

Professional
Thank you, Kenny. I'm hitting around with blackout in a full bed. performs well but i do not like the feel/feedback
In terms of feel/feedback of the 3 strings that I mentioned, IsoSpeed is the 'crispest.' Everyone's definition of that is different when it comes to strings I've found, but with Ichiban and Hexaspin they lose tension so fast it feels like you're hitting stiff strings strung very low. You get the trampoline effect, but there is still that stiff boardy feeling.

With the IsoSpeed, it doesn't lose tension as fast, but it does go dead pretty quickly. In the 5-8 hours that it isn't dead it plays very precise and is very arm friendly. It's still a poly, though. So it's not going to give you the feel a synthetic or multi would. You're still going to get less dwell time and the whole poly shebang.

Recently I've been stretching the amount of time I keep Hexaspin in my racquet. It doesn't play bad towards the end, but in a full bed the ball begins to sail around the 4th-5th time I take it out. With that said, you can still take some pretty big cuts at the ball. I've been hitting it in a hybrid with Tecnifibre Multifeel with some good results. If I'm just rallying then the hybrid breaks around the 4 hour mark, but I think it helps out with control and tension maintenance. I think with the multi, the launch angle off the racquet stays lower than if it was a full bed. With IsoSpeed the launch angle would stay the same throughout the time it was playable. IsoSpeed baseline is just one of those strings that has a "magic window," like RPM and Lux strings. For me that was about 4 hours.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
In terms of feel/feedback of the 3 strings that I mentioned, IsoSpeed is the 'crispest.' Everyone's definition of that is different when it comes to strings I've found, but with Ichiban and Hexaspin they lose tension so fast it feels like you're hitting stiff strings strung very low. You get the trampoline effect, but there is still that stiff boardy feeling.

With the IsoSpeed, it doesn't lose tension as fast, but it does go dead pretty quickly. In the 5-8 hours that it isn't dead it plays very precise and is very arm friendly. It's still a poly, though. So it's not going to give you the feel a synthetic or multi would. You're still going to get less dwell time and the whole poly shebang.

Recently I've been stretching the amount of time I keep Hexaspin in my racquet. It doesn't play bad towards the end, but in a full bed the ball begins to sail around the 4th-5th time I take it out. With that said, you can still take some pretty big cuts at the ball. I've been hitting it in a hybrid with Tecnifibre Multifeel with some good results. If I'm just rallying then the hybrid breaks around the 4 hour mark, but I think it helps out with control and tension maintenance. I think with the multi, the launch angle off the racquet stays lower than if it was a full bed. With IsoSpeed the launch angle would stay the same throughout the time it was playable. IsoSpeed baseline is just one of those strings that has a "magic window," like RPM and Lux strings. For me that was about 4 hours.

Thanks again

I know that poly will not feel close to a syn/multi but I have played with some nice feeling polys that have their own crispness and feel (for a poly). Blackout is a disappointment for me. I was looking for a budget shaped poly to put in the inventory for customers that didn't want to spend on Cyclone and above prices. I think I read somewhere that it was comparable to Cyclone. It is not. Cyclone IMO feels much better and performs just as good as compared to Blackout.

Will consider a couple other polys that PP has to offer though. Just not sure which ATM
 

Kenny022593

Professional
Thanks again

I know that poly will not feel close to a syn/multi but I have played with some nice feeling polys that have their own crispness and feel (for a poly). Blackout is a disappointment for me. I was looking for a budget shaped poly to put in the inventory for customers that didn't want to spend on Cyclone and above prices. I think I read somewhere that it was comparable to Cyclone. It is not. Cyclone IMO feels much better and performs just as good as compared to Blackout.

Will consider a couple other polys that PP has to offer though. Just not sure which ATM

Even though this is the pro's pros thread, I would say check out Genesis Hexonic. It's the softest shaped poly that I've played with and to be honest, I couldn't give you a reason for why I stopped playing with it. It does everything very well and has nice touch and feel which is something a lot of people say shaped polys aren't good for. It's a better version of MSV focus hex that comes in fewer colors.

I believe when I was playing with it I got it for $60 a reel, but I think the price has gone up.
 

Karstic

Rookie
I tried the 1.25mm white nano, and it is really dead and muted. Did not go well in my 90 :(. Is the silver 1.30 different?
Haven't tried the white, as the only one available here is silver. What tensions do you string at, and how aggressively do you swing? This string seems to prefer a firm hand, as does the 90 itself. But then, I'm sure you know that already.
 
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Aretium

Hall of Fame
Haven't tried the white, as the only one available here is silver. What tensions do you string at, and how aggressively do you swing? This string seems to prefer a firm hand, as does the 90 itself. But then, I'm sure you know that already.
around 40-44 lbs. I swing fast. Lower than that and the string launches a bit.
 

Kenny022593

Professional
So I jumped on Vendetta over everything else for no other reason than the army green color. It offers better feel for volleys than the hexaspin I was playing with, but it is way more powerful. Strung it in the Tfight 305 ATP at 56/57 with Tecnifibre MultiFeel in the crosses. Does anyone with experience with vendetta have tension recommendations? I could string it up a whole bunch of times, but I only have two racquets at the moment and want to try and nail it with the least amount of tries.
 

Muppet

Legend
Any string that is lively, crisp and slick? For a lower powered/dense frame?
If you want to try a synth gut, BTT has Babolat N.Vy black for $3.99. But you can only get two sets at a time. The black is nicely lively, crisp, and a little dead feeling. And it has a very slick coating. You said any string, so I thought I'd offer it up even though you seem to be looking for a poly.
 

Muppet

Legend
So I jumped on Vendetta over everything else for no other reason than the army green color. It offers better feel for volleys than the hexaspin I was playing with, but it is way more powerful. Strung it in the Tfight 305 ATP at 56/57 with Tecnifibre MultiFeel in the crosses. Does anyone with experience with vendetta have tension recommendations? I could string it up a whole bunch of times, but I only have two racquets at the moment and want to try and nail it with the least amount of tries.
What are the gauges of the Vendetta and Multifeel? But even with recommendations, you may have to string it several times before nailing it.
 
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