Pro's Using Midsize Frames
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fRa
Rookie
I actually thought 90 and 95 were mid-sized racquets ; didn't know there were mid-plus racquets.
pennc94
Professional
We used to consider 80s mid, 90s midplus, and 100s oversize.
Now it appears that definition has changed.
The definition continues to evolve. Prince started calling the 95in O3 tour a mid but that designation is still rare. Bartelby's definition still holds true for the majority of the tennis community.
Jules
Rookie
AFAIK (from these boards, no secret insider knowledge) these are the current top 100 mid users:
4. Roger Federer - Wilson k six.one tour (blx PJ, special layup??)
46. Robin Haase - Head PT10 (Youtek PJ)
75. Grigor Dimitrov - Wilson k six.one tour (stock or close to, blx PJ)
Also IIRC Rainer Schüttler plays with a PT10 16x19.
4. Roger Federer - Wilson k six.one tour (blx PJ, special layup??)
46. Robin Haase - Head PT10 (Youtek PJ)
75. Grigor Dimitrov - Wilson k six.one tour (stock or close to, blx PJ)
Also IIRC Rainer Schüttler plays with a PT10 16x19.
ben123
Professional
(considering 95sq and below a mid)
mahut?
berrer? souza? darcis? cipolla? nieminen? berlocq? kamke? llodra? kohlschreiber? bellucci? anderson? dolgopolov? monfils? tipsarevic?
stepanek is also rly close with 96sq
im not saying they all use mids. but we dont rly know it if we dont measure their racquets.
but i bet there are more than 3 mid users in the top 100.
Sandwichman
Rookie
^^^^^
+1
I remember going to Bollitierri's and a Prince rep calling the Rebel a midsize and the EXO3 Tour's the new midplus, and I cringed a little inside and tightly grabbed my YT prestige mids.
Nalbandian uses a mid, right?
+1
I remember going to Bollitierri's and a Prince rep calling the Rebel a midsize and the EXO3 Tour's the new midplus, and I cringed a little inside and tightly grabbed my YT prestige mids.
Nalbandian uses a mid, right?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I disagree. I don't even consider a 93 to be a Mid. I think a 93 is a Mid Plus.
I think of 90 and under to be "Mid". Especially considering "Standard" is 65 sq. in.
Sandwichman
Rookie
You're right, I was thinking of hewitt
Seth
Legend
With the trend being players moving toward 98-100 sq. in. frames, I don't think re-categorizing "midsize" to include up to 95 sq. in. is out of the question.
Not that I expect 93 and below zealots to jump on board. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj3VphK9AMk
Not that I expect 93 and below zealots to jump on board. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj3VphK9AMk
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Jules
Rookie
I thought is was confirmed that Hewitt really changed to the vcore 95? Whatever it is, this does not look like 93 to me...
brooker
Rookie
Doubles
Legend
He uses a PT10, which is a Prestige Classic 600. So yes, he does use a mid...
Fuji
Legend
I thought is was confirmed that Hewitt really changed to the vcore 95? Whatever it is, this does not look like 93 to me...
As far as my memory is, Hewitt actually uses all the rackets put out by Yonex for a while before switching back to his SD Tour 90 with the paint job. He's done this with almost every line to my knowledge, but normally he goes back to his old sticks around FO.
I could totally be mistaken, but this is just from what I remember seeing on TV/reading on here.
-Fuji
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
As far as my memory is, Hewitt actually uses all the rackets put out by Yonex for a while before switching back to his SD Tour 90 with the paint job. He's done this with almost every line to my knowledge, but normally he goes back to his old sticks around FO.
I could totally be mistaken, but this is just from what I remember seeing on TV/reading on here.
-Fuji
Hewitt really played with the RDiS 100 Mid (93sqin) until he switched to the Vcore 95. He has finally moved on from the Super RD Tour 90.
Oh and the he always was with the Super RD Tour 90 until the RQiS 1 Tour and then switched back to the SRD Tour 90 with RDS 001 Mid paint job.
Fuji
Legend
Thank you very much for the knowledge VS!
I've always been curious myself, and those were only my very crude observations.
-Fuji
He does,
I own one of his PT10's (PC 600), and it is listed as an 93i, but it's smaller then a wilson tour 90. Proberbly 89.5 or so.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
looks at least 93 to me...
That is a Prestige Classic 600 which is 89.5sq.in. Also the YT Prestige Mid is the same head size.
wings56
Hall of Fame
and how is it that you know this?
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Or feel the wrath of god if you do. :shock:vs knows all. most forum members know not to question
looks at least 93 to me...
look at your post count....then look at his....all of his 6000 some odd posts are pearls of wisdom....do not question. And head prestige mids are not 93inch, it is known the way the measured the racquets is different from other companies and measures out to 89.5
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Isn't there a thread somewhere with the real head size of frames? And the PC600 is listed as 88 sq in?
I own some PC600 and blx90. The PC600 is definitely smaller than a Tour 90.
I own some PC600 and blx90. The PC600 is definitely smaller than a Tour 90.
Now I understand really good how VS feels somethimes.
I said: I own one of his sticks. It's smaller then a Tour 90.
Two posts later: On a pic it defenitly looks 93 or bigger.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=399920&page=2
I said: I own one of his sticks. It's smaller then a Tour 90.
Two posts later: On a pic it defenitly looks 93 or bigger.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=399920&page=2
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drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=295535
The link above is a thread by jack&coke. Some great info with detailed photos and computer software analysisof the various head sizes. And yes, the PC600 is smaller than the blx 90.
The head size has not change since it's predecessor was introduced in the '80s. It was original listed and printed on the frame as 89.5".
-SF
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Thanks for fielding that one. You are the man.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Head doesn't measure the head size at all. The "93 sq. in." marketed for the PC600 (and later iterations) is NOT a measurement. It's a direct conversion of 600 sq. cm. to square inches. 600 sq. cm. = 93 sq. in.
But the head does not measure to be 600 sq. cm. It actually measures to be 578 sq. cm., which equals 89.5 sq. in. But purely for marketing purposes, they didn't want to name the racquet "PC578" so they rounded it up so it has the nice sounding and easy to remember name of "PC600".
There you have the whole story.
racquetfreak
Semi-Pro
i don't believe a PC 600 or the current prestige 93/600s would be considered mid-plus. mid size cutoff is <95. 95 and greater is mid-plus. i think the precedent was set by the prostaff 6.0 95 which was designated mid-plus.
in the mid/late 80s some of the 89.5 si Head racquets were labeled mid-plus. however, that was a period of transition from standard wood frames and 81 si graphites which are no longer used to modern rackets with the ps85 being the smallest headsize surviving into the 1990 and the new millenium.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I don't either because the PC600 (and all the subsequent generations) are all 89.5 sq. in. That makes them under 90 sq. in. so they are Mids by my definition. A true 93 sq. in. frame, like the Wilson Blade Tour is a Mid-Plus in my book.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And Prince calls a 95 a "Mid". They know a lot more about tennis racquets, don't they? What a joke!
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
It's well known. I'm surprised that you don't know.
But here's a link: http://www.princetennis.com/tennis/files/product.aspx?cid=399&ProductId=1915
"EXO3 REBEL 95
A true midsize frame with only one thing on its mind…control. "
racquetfreak
Semi-Pro
several companies produce 93/600 headsize rackets. they consistently describe them as midsize as does, as pointed out above, TW. Prince has described several of their 95s as midsize but that is not consistent with the practice of other racket manufacturers.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
It's NOT a Midsize frame. That's the point! It doesn't matter what the racquet manufacturers or TW calls them. It is what it is. If TW or Prince called a 100 sq. in. frame a Midsize, that doesn't make it a Midsize.
And, yes, it is well known that Prince calls 95 sq. in. frames Midsize".
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And they would be wrong. Just like Prince is wrong for calling their 95 sq. in. frames - "Midsize".
