QF : Federer vs Berdych

[icedevil0289]

it's supposed to be funny. Please don't become part of the new wave of easily triggered FedFans.

insulted right now...pftt at new wave, part of the original wave tyvm

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Yeah. If both are in form, should be a good one.

Cilic did well for first 2 sets in their WtF match in 17, but dipped in the 3rd with federer raising his level , no ? ( Not really a memorable tournament for me, so slightly shaky on the details)

Yeah got breadsticked. Think both are in better form here. I'm interested to see if Edmund can push him at all.

 

[icedevil0289]

The most talented player since Fed and the 2nd favourite for the title.

So said Gilbert, McEnroe and Trollander.

who?

 

[zagor]

Fed has no respect for Berdych

Nonsense, Fed has nothing but love and respect for his pigeons. Has quite a collection but considers each one to be special in their own way.

 

[zagor]

who?

Kyrgios, lol.

Apparently, he's more talented than two 10+ slam winners. Hilarious stuff as usual from those hypejobs.

 

[BeatlesFan]

LOL. I was worried about the match. The poor start didn't help. But it's all good now.

Take solace that I have wound myself into 5,000 knots over Fed in slams, but not this one. I think he takes #20 and will savagely brush aside Chung. Hoping for a cakewalk final against Edmund!

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Cilic is weird because he was showing the same exact intensity at Wimbledon and looked primed to give Fed a serious run for his money and then just mentally collapsed. A Fed Cilic finale definitely has the juiciest storylines in my opinion.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Take solace that I have wound myself into 5,000 knots over Fed in slams, but not this one. I think he takes #20 and will savagely brush aside Chung. Hoping for a cakewalk final against Edmund!

I've got an eerie calm as well during this one. Not sure why. I'll probably get more nervous when it gets time for the actual matches though. Really though only Cilic makes me anything more than anxious. But not much more than a Berdych does. He's like a slightly more reliable Berdych.

 

[heninfan99]

Nonsense, Fed has nothing but love and respect for his pigeons. Has quite a collection but considers each one to be special in their own way.

yes, they are in love

 

[mike danny]

I wanna see him beat more ATGs in his slams wins. Another Baghdatis slam win seems to be in the bag but I'm really happy. Wimbledon, also pretty cakey but it is what it is. He needs these kind of draws.

Again, how can he do it if they don't make it to him?

And beating ATG's is an overrated stat anyway if they don't play well. Unless you believe beating a sub par Djokovic at 2013 Wimb was more difficult than beating an on-fire Roddick at 2009 Wimb. Or the most recent example, beating a sub par Nadal at 2015 FO was more difficult than beating an on-fire Wawrinka at the same event.

 

[Deleted member 733170]

Marin and Roger are very good friends.

They go on holidays to the Maldives with their families during the off season.

 

[RF-18]

Again, how can he do it if they don't make it to him?

And beating ATG's is an overrated stat anyway if they don't play well. Unless you believe beating a sub par Djokovic at 2013 Wimb was more difficult than beating an on-fire Roddick at 2009 Wimb. Or the most recent example, beating a sub par Nadal at 2015 FO was more difficult than beating an on-fire Wawrinka at the same event.

But when they do make it to him, like Djokovic did in 15 at all those big events, AO 16, Wimby 14, he can't find a way over the hurdle, he sneaked in a win here and there like AO 17, 12 Wimby but more times than not he just can't find a way, unless they are out of the tournament he has no problem to win it. That's All, I want him to show the GOAT quality that people talks about, but he hasn't showed it against ATG rivals.

Wimby 13, I'd give credit to Murray. He played great, I don't know why we should just look at djokovic. USO 13, no excuses, it's mostly you guys who wants to find an excuse to bring down Nadals win, but Djokovic didn't take his chances in that 3rd set and Nadal stormed the weather. He was the better player. If Djokovic has those opportunities in the 3rd set against any other player, he takes it. But that is what you people forget. You just look at one player. Tennis consists of two players.

 

[mike danny]

Fed has no respect for Berdych

Nonsense. They contributed together at organizing the Laver Cup last year.

 

[heninfan99]

Nonsense. They contributed together at organizing the Laver Cup last year.

Well, yeah, Tomas is gonna kiss that ass.

 

[mike danny]

But when they do make it to him, like Djokovic did in 15 at all those big events, AO 16, Wimby 14, he can't find a way over the hurdle, he sneaked in a win here and there like AO 17, 12 Wimby but more times than not he just can't find a way, unless they are out of the tournament he has no problem to win it. That's All, I want him to show the GOAT quality that people talks about, but he hasn't showed it against ATG rivals.

Wimby 13, I'd give credit to Murray. He played great, I don't know why we should just look at djokovic. USO 13, no excuses, it's mostly you guys who wants to find an excuse to bring down Nadals win, but Djokovic didn't take his chances in that 3rd set and Nadal stormed the weather. He was the better player. If Djokovic has those opportunities in the 3rd set against any other player, he takes it. But that is what you people forget. You just look at one player. Tennis consists of two players.

Funny, how he collapsed against Nishikori too at the USO and also Wawrinka at the FO after not taking his chances.

Don't act like only Nadal can beat him when Djokovic is not converting on his chances. The USO 2013 talk was just in response to people saying that Nadal had it much harder than Federer, when it's not even true.

And big deal, he lost some close matches against ATG players while past his prime. It's better than to not get over the hump against lesser players like Murray, Wawrinka and Nishikori.

And just so you know, it is easy if you are Djokovic and at your peak to get over the hump against an older ATG not in his prime anymore than the other way around.

It shows that if they are not playing well, they can't make it to Federer, while Federer even when not playing well can make it to them.

 

[mike danny]

But when they do make it to him, like Djokovic did in 15 at all those big events, AO 16, Wimby 14, he can't find a way over the hurdle, he sneaked in a win here and there like AO 17, 12 Wimby but more times than not he just can't find a way, unless they are out of the tournament he has no problem to win it. That's All, I want him to show the GOAT quality that people talks about, but he hasn't showed it against ATG rivals.

Wimby 13, I'd give credit to Murray. He played great, I don't know why we should just look at djokovic. USO 13, no excuses, it's mostly you guys who wants to find an excuse to bring down Nadals win, but Djokovic didn't take his chances in that 3rd set and Nadal stormed the weather. He was the better player. If Djokovic has those opportunities in the 3rd set against any other player, he takes it. But that is what you people forget. You just look at one player. Tennis consists of two players.

Number of slams won against ATG: Federer 8 or 9 and Djokovic also 9.

 

[federrero]

Healthy Federer 2018 vs Federer 2017 with back problems produces more winners !!!

Stats done with http://www.thirty-all.com/

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Does anyone think fed's having back issues? I was shocked at the DFs and his average first speed.

 

[tennis_pro]

Does anyone think fed's having back issues? I was shocked at the DFs and his average first speed.

How many did he hit in sets 2 and 3?

 

[acintya]

how the **** can this topic have alredy 32 pages?

 

[marc45]

poor Berdych...got up, watched every point of the first set on my recording..saw another Berdych choke and fast forwarded my way through the rest...I don't know how he doesn't break a lot of equipment and anything else in his way after these moments

 

[marc45]

Jon Wertheim‏Verified account @jon_wertheim 4h4 hours ago
Federer reached Slam semi # 42..."I got a bit lucky and a bit angry."

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Vintage Fed! No one else stands a chance!

 

[fedtennisphan]

Well, yeah, Tomas is gonna kiss that ass.

Just like Federer kicked Gasquet’s @SS.

 

[JoshuaPim]

how the **** can this topic have alredy 32 pages?

Because some people understand that reaching a Slam semi at 36 is pretty historic?

 

[fedtennisphan]

Because some people understand that reaching a Slam semi at 36 is pretty historic?

Ha! Ha! Pretty historic indeed. May Federer continue to make history.

 

[heninfan99]

Just like Federer kicked Gasquet’s @SS.

2nd set was close if you watched it but yeah Gasquet loses a lot to Federer. Have any other great insights?

 

[Steve0904]

Cilic looked good for the 1st 2 sets vs Pospisil, handled Sousa easily, looked good in parts vs PCB. (dunno about the Harrison match)
But he's had his share of UEs.

No UE bigger than that one at 5-5 in the TB, even though he advanced, so clearly he hasn't been perfect. His mentality (especially if he plays Federer) will be tested big time.

 

[Pheasant]

I had previously voted for Federer in 4 sets. I figured that Birdman would steal a set early, then get beat. I guess that Fed had other plans after going down 3-0.

I am still amazed that Federer just made the semis for the 14th time in the last 15 AO tourneys. That level of consistency is mind-blowing. We have guys like Zverev trying to get into their first semi of their career. 14 semis in 15 tourneys is outrageous. That stat seems impossible for the men's game.

Hopefully, Federer can close this deal. I'm not worried about Chung. But with these youngsters, you never really know. Hopefully, Federer has some more magic left to get by this motivated speed burner. This is a perfect storm for a dinosaur. I think Fed's new nickname is Dino. This could be Dino's last golden opportunity. We've seen what age and injuries are doing to Stan, Djokovic, and Murray. You have to wonder how competitive those 3 legends will be at age 34. Now imagine being 36 1/2? Fed's run is amazing.

We need to enjoy this while it lasts. Because we may never see an old guy perform at high level for such a long period of time.

 

[Mr Feeny]

Now you're laughing... A few minutes ago you were super angry

Awww look at this Fed hater mad that Federer won!

 

[acintya]

Because some people understand that reaching a Slam semi at 36 is pretty historic?

its prehistoryc - lets just forget Federosaurus... it seems he brings the ice age in the draws - again he can be lucky that all good players are frozen and out of Ao. Except Chung and Cilic.

 

[Charleneriva]

Don't diss the pink...even Vegeta had a pink shirt.

Haha. And apron:

Funny I just bought a Vegeta figurine for my nephew.

But actually I wasn't "dissing" pink, Himan. Only that dorkerer.

 

[Steve0904]

And Fed has to have a bad ground game.

The win over Fed at the USO is increasingly looking like a once off

Agree. Not to say Cilic can't win, but there are a few crucial differences between now and then. Federer is just flat out playing way better now than he did back then. He struggled that whole American summer, didn't look in great form at the USO and struggled mightily to get by Monfils, resulting in a clear sluggishness 2 days later against Cilic.

To be fair, Cilic was ripping it that day, and I don't think he's ever replicated that form again, but with Federer playing better now that's exactly why I don't think we'll see it again. Federer also loves this "new" AO court. Just my 2 cents.

 

[icedevil0289]

Funny, how he collapsed against Nishikori too at the USO and also Wawrinka at the FO after not taking his chances.

Don't act like only Nadal can beat him when Djokovic is not converting on his chances. The USO 2013 talk was just in response to people saying that Nadal had it much harder than Federer, when it's not even true.

And big deal, he lost some close matches against ATG players while past his prime. It's better than to not get over the hump against lesser players like Murray, Wawrinka and Nishikori.

And just so you know, it is easy if you are Djokovic and at your peak to get over the hump against an older ATG not in his prime anymore than the other way around.

It shows that if they are not playing well, they can't make it to Federer, while Federer even when not playing well can make it to them.

That person,is a lost cause but tbh what defines an atg? Fed beat Sampras, though he didn't go on to win the title, but Sampras would most certainly be considered an atg or one of the greatest. Iirc fed beat agassi as well to win 1 or 2 slams, is he not considered an atg? People cannot say old man agassi and then claim that 36 fed plays better than 27 year old. People also forget that feds generation was not Novak Murray etc. He was above his,generation and still managed to stay competitive in the next two and somehow that is being used against him

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

fed>berdy in straights.....gee, who didn't see this one coming...

"Here Tomas, this is how it's done.."​

"Thank you Rog...."​

 

[mike danny]

That person,is a lost cause but tbh what defines an atg? Fed beat Sampras, though he didn't go on to win the title, but Sampras would most certainly be considered an atg or one of the greatest. Iirc fed beat agassi as well to win 1 or 2 slams, is he not considered an atg? People cannot say old man agassi and then claim that 36 fed plays better than 27 year old. People also forget that feds generation was not Novak Murray etc. He was above his,generation and still managed to stay competitive in the next two and somehow that is being used against him

Instead of trashing Fed, that person should be thankful Fed decided to stick around after 2012 to inflate Djokovic's number of ATG wins, otherwise Djokovic would have won his last 7 slams without facing a single ATG

 

[Comb Over Champion]

Nonsense, Fed has nothing but love and respect for his pigeons. Has quite a collection but considers each one to be special in their own way.

He is like a shepherd with is flock. On a good day he remembers all their names, and when things get lonely he knows he can rely on one of them to provide sexy gratification (like last night.)

 

[icedevil0289]

That person should be thankful Fed decided to stick around after 2012 to inflate Djokovic's number of ATG wins, otherwise Djokovic would have won his last 7 slams without facing a single ATG

I mean it is really interesting what fed's legacy would have been regarded if he hung it up in 2012 like most expected him to. at the very least he finally got a chance to make a dent to that h2h against nadal.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

Instead of trashing Fed, that person should be thankful Fed decided to stick around after 2012 to inflate Djokovic's number of ATG wins, otherwise Djokovic would have won his last 7 slams without facing a single ATG

Now you understand Nadal's pain.

 

[Mainad]

poor Berdych...got up, watched every point of the first set on my recording..saw another Berdych choke and fast forwarded my way through the rest...I don't know how he doesn't break a lot of equipment and anything else in his way after these moments

After passing up his chances to take the 1st set it quickly and unsurprisingly became 1 way traffic. He knows it too:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/berdych-reaction-australian-open-2018-wednesday

 

[mike danny]

I mean it is really interesting what fed's legacy would have been regarded if he hung it up in 2012 like most expected him to. at the very least he finally got a chance to make a dent to that h2h against nadal.

Fed did well that he decided to play. Defeated Nadal again in a slam final and won 5 in a row against him for the first time. Not to mention a record 8th Wimb title and still has a chance to win slam number 20.

 

[fedtennisphan]

Fed did well that he decided to play. Defeated Nadal again in a slam final and won 5 in a row against him for the first time. Not to mention a record 8th Wimb title and still has a chance to win slam number 20.

Plus Federer retiring after 2012 was just wishing thinking. I am glad Federer stuck around even after 2013 and 2016.

 

[underground]

Saw a tweet that since 2-4 in the first set Fed went 55-18 in W-UE

I mean it is really interesting what fed's legacy would have been regarded if he hung it up in 2012 like most expected him to. at the very least he finally got a chance to make a dent to that h2h against nadal.

The H2H difference in 2012 was actually the same as it is now. But of course given recency bias and all that, what happened in 2017 obviously favours Fed a lot.

 

[icedevil0289]

Saw a tweet that since 2-4 in the first set Fed went 55-18 in W-UE



The H2H difference in 2012 was actually the same as it is now. But of course given recency bias and all that, what happened in 2017 obviously favours Fed a lot.

true, I think it was 2013 that really killed that h2h because they kept meeting and iirc it was not a good look given the back issues. they also met a few times in 2014 and I don't think fed won any of those meetings. I'd say the one thing 2017 has is that slam win. 2012 has fed winning over nadal iirc at IW, and other tournaments but it would take 10 years for fed to win another slam again from the last time he won, iirc 2007 which is very interesting.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Ha! Ha! Pretty historic indeed. May Federer continue to make history.

He will win at least 2 slams again this year!

 

[WhiskeyEE]

I thought Federer played very well for the parts I saw (mid-way through first set to beginning of 3rd).

He was hitting with excellent power on both sides, even from defensive positions and that prevented Berdych was dictating hardly any points. And he seemed to be doing everything else well.

That one game he won to love with a drop shot on game point. Ridiculous.

I can't see Federer losing in this kind of form.

 

[Comb Over Champion]

He will win at least 2 slams again this year!

Make that 3, and if Nadal is injured come May, Fed will make a surprise appearance at the French as well.

Tis a strong era, this.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Does anyone think fed's having back issues? I was shocked at the DFs and his average first speed.

Is this an old post from Montreal or the USO last year?

No, Fed has no back issues, his serve has been stellar the whole tournament.

 

[tenisdecente]

Good win by Fed, but honestly I did not observe his performance as so good some people state here. What I saw was a Berdych imploding and making his classic act of mug. Federer played well after that awful start, but Berd helped a bit.

Now, for now I dont see Chung as a menace, in an hypotetical final though Cilic may be really dangerous

 

[MisterP]

Good win by Fed, but honestly I did not observe his performance as so good some people state here. What I saw was a Berdych imploding and making his classic act of mug. Federer played well after that awful start, but Berd helped a bit.

Now, for now I dont see Chung as a menace, in an hypotetical final though Cilic may be really dangerous

Fed has gears and plays about as well as he needs to. Yesterday's match I don't think he got out of third gear. And he's running an 8 speed ZF transmission mated to a 600hp V10. Chung will push him harder. But not enough I think to win. Cilic could go down to Edmund, IMO.