Rafael Nadal is 19-10 vs Fedovic at Slams
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King No1e
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Third Serve
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1-2 if we count the real SLAM
SaintPetros
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and 2003-3 against Fed at slams
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Robert Baratheon
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Oh pee applied Kermit law to
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Nah he is right, Djokovic beat Nadal six times at Slams.
However, the recent corrupted roofgate and seeding at Wimbledon don't count. So Ned is actually 19-8 against Fedovic.
Standaa
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
If we remove the matches at the French Open, here's what we have in H2H in all other slams:
4-3 Nadal over Federer
5-3 Djokovic over Nadal
4-3 Nadal over Federer
5-3 Djokovic over Nadal
Standaa
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Robert Baratheon
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Yugram
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And why in the world should we remove RG? Just because it suits your agenda?
StrongRule
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What do you expect from her? This is a person who can go in a moment from "Djokovic is done and will never win another masters" to "Djokovic will win the next 4 slams" and vice versa.
Anyway, do you expect something from Nadal in WTF?
Sport
G.O.A.T.
No serious Nadal fan does.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
It's annoying that he suddenly has ANOTHER injury. Also annoying that he got this strong group.
Lleytonstation
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I would say if he comes in healthy he would have a chance. However, he might have to face Fed then Djoker or vice versus to win it. Tough ask.
Lleytonstation
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As a Fed fan I see Rafa dominated clay against Fed and Djoker caught Fed when he was old.
But as a tennis fan... it is what it is.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Plus the most dangerous ones outside of them: Med and Tsits. Really tough. He hasn't lost before the SF in any big tournament this year though so he ain't going down without a fight. Might surprise us all.
Yugram
Legend
Nope. He’ll beat Zverev on Monday and then probably withdraw. Seen this in 2017. You?
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Roger: Wimbleon 2006, 2007 and 2019, AO 2017
Rafa: Wimbledon 2009, AO 2009, 2012, 2014
Thanks for the correction, @StANDAA
Apun94
Hall of Fame
It's so strange to me that in the last 15 years that they have been playing each other, Fedal have only met 7 times in slams outside the French.
And the same goes for Djokodal. Just times outside the French?
WE NEED MORE SLAM Fedalovic meetings!
Apun94
Hall of Fame
I think Nadal is going to give it his all for just one tournament, to get the Year End#1. Dont tell me that it doesnt mean that much to Rafa.
Plus the injury is not in his knees or hands where it's almost impossible to continue if it gets worse. The only thing that is going to be affected is his serve, which if he doesnt put that much on it (and Nadal depends a lot on serve spin and placement, more than speed), he is still good enough to atleast reach the semis
StrongRule
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I don't see him beating Zverev. This is a truly terrible matchup for him on hardcourt. Their hardcourt matches couldn't be any closer, and Zverev also improved since AO 2017.
StrongRule
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Serve is very important indoors.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Zverev has really improved? Not based on anything that has happened this year. He's the least of your worries. Med and Tsits will be tougher.
Apun94
Hall of Fame
I agree but for Nadal, the more realistic goal is to reach the YE#1, than winning the whole thing. He can still rely on his superior movement and ground game to reach the SF atleast. So, I dont see him withdrawing from WTFs. Injured or not, he's going to give his all.
ForehandRF
Legend
Outstanding detractor-like logic.Applause for this nonsense argument.
weakera
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BringBackSV
Hall of Fame
Why would we do something that nonsensical?
Even if you wanted to acknowledge the clay skew, where do you get off ignoring every single meeting on clay?
weakera
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King No1e
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BringBackSV
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If we eliminate Wimbledon with Fed:
Rafa is 9-1 against Roger at the remaining slams
If we eliminate AO with Novak:
Rafa is 9-4 against Novak at the remaining slams.
Rafa is 9-1 against Roger at the remaining slams
If we eliminate AO with Novak:
Rafa is 9-4 against Novak at the remaining slams.
StrongRule
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Based on Zverev's results in the second half of 2018 nobody would ever expect him to win WTF. But he did, beating Federer and Djokovic. (and Djokovic actually had his cleanest run to WTF final, he faced like 2 break points during the tournament)
This is a player who can surprise with some good play at any moment. He is DEFINITELY a big threat to Nadal on these courts. As for threats in the group, I put him at the first place. Medvedev is a close second-easier matchup, but in great form this year and has a very strong mentality. Tsitsipas takes the last place, I will be very disappointed if Nadal can't beat him. (if he can't then he has nothing to do at this tournament anyway)
StrongRule
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A semifinal will not give him the YE#1 though. So is there a reason to give it all? Last year he didn't give it all, he just withdrew from Paris and WTF. I don't see why this year should be different. He missed the YE#1. If he wanted to get it he needed to play better during the clay season. He has only himself to blame for being so terrible in Monte Carlo and Madrid.
If we remove Djokovic Mickey Mouse competition since 2015, how many slams? 7?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
He just means that they overplayed at RG.
RG --> 13 matches
WI --> 7 matches
AO --> 6 matches
UO --> 3 matches
Apun94
Hall of Fame
I dont get why you have to be so negative about Rafa all the time. My initial point was that he isnt withdrawing from this tournament no matter what, simply because of the YE#1. Thats it. No way
Eren
Professional
Both Fred and Djoke suffered a lot at RG. I wonder what would have happened if Federer and Djokovic both were clowns at RG like Sampras. Nadal would never have gotten this big of an advantage. Those clay meetings translated to wins on other surfaces as well, at least that is what I believe.
Obviously, Djokovic has dealt better with those blows than Federer, but even Djokovic was dead after RG'13 and choked USO'13 (imo a win caused by the devastating loss at RG'13).
StrongRule
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But he did it last year. So why wouldn't he do it now? Nadal doesn't care too much about it, otherwise he would have played Shanghai. To be honest, I feel like Nadal lost interest in tennis. Hope I'm wrong, but this is how it looks like.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
As a Nadal fan, I see Nadal also defeated young Federer at Wimbledon 2008 and the Australian Open 2009, and has always led the H2H over Federer in outdoor hard, even in 2004-2007.
As a Djokovic fan, I think Federer was still at his peak till 2017, given his fantastic 2017, if not till 2019 given his excellent RG and WB performances.
As a Federer fan, I see Nadal only has 2 legit victories against non-old Federer in real Slams. All other matches of Federer against Djokodal are not valid, as Federer was old.
As a Sampras fan, I am so happy that Federer is being surpassed as my boy was.
As a Laver fan, I think Nadal and Djokovic cannot match Federer, because Federer has a classic gamestyle, his game is artistic, not merely effective.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Which is like saying that "Federer overplayed when he was old".
So all matches of Djokovic against Federer are not overplaying but RG matches of Djokovic against Nadal are "overplaying"? You only count matches when it favors your boy? I think it is better to consider all H2H matches equally worth of consideration, rather than cherry-picking which ones are "overplaying" and which ones are not.
Eren
Professional
Since 2014, Djokovic's wins are overplayed and severely overrated by his own fans. Some of them even created a new myth, the 'age is meaningless' myth. Players get better and better nowadays. It's a shame most football players quit at 33 or go to America/Asia instead of staying in Europe because they're supposedly peaking. As people say, 33 is the new 27 and in the future 40 is the new 27 and 27 will be the new 14 and 17 will be the new 0.
Third Serve
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If you wish upon a star...
Sport
G.O.A.T.
A choke or merely Nadal played better that day? I don't think he was close enough to win the match to say he choked. He had his chances in the 3th set, but he only won 1 set. The most you can say is that he choked the 3th set (or maybe Nadal was just clutch).
To say that Djokovic choked the USO 2013 final is like saying that Nadal choked the AO 2012 final or the WB 2018 semifinal. Just because our favorite player lost a disputed match it does not follow that he "choked" (unless he has multiple match points with his serve).
Eren
Professional
Well, my favourite player is Federer so I don't give a damn about Djokovic. For me he choked since he was 1-1 in sets and a break up and completely collapsed and did not show any figthing spirit after it. That's the thing if you're neutral between two players. You can see reality. Since my fav player is used to choking, I can see chokes from a million miles away and UO'13 was a choke.
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