Sunny014
Legend
New board started on that date. Talk Tennis pre-dates this one
When did Talk Tennis start and what its its history? Could you please brief me on it ?
New board started on that date. Talk Tennis pre-dates this one
Actually this is right answer, nobody will remember Rafa legacy without his titlesI get the sentiment, but without his titles no one would even know who he is, let alone have a legacy to remember.
We heard that a lot back in April, May and June this year. We also hear continually that “Rafa will be winning RG into his 40’s.”OF course, he is going to add a 14th RG.
If Rafa can win 4-5 more Roland Garros then he will go down in history as the GOAT, no amount of slams won by Roger or Novak will be enough to beat that.
Dominating a surface for 4 generations is what he needs to aim now, but honestly not even he can do that, he is finished.
Gen 1 - Fed's
Gen 2 - Novak's
Gen 3 - Thiem's
Gen 4 - Tsitsipas's
He is now at Gen 4 but a guy from Gen 2 beat him convincingly, Thiem must also be planning an onslaught next year, this means Rafa's time is over or very close to ending.
I think there is good chance Nadal will win 2 more French opens. He is far from done on clay. Even 70% Nadal would beat anyone at French except good in form Thiem or Djokovic.
2 won't do, needs 3 or 4 minimum .... I think 4
He ate the prime of Fed, Novak and Thiem on clay, now he will have to do that to Tsitsipas.
If by the time Stefanos is 28 and has 0 Frenchs or 1 french at max while Nadal added 4 in that time period (2022-2026) then that would mean he subdued a 4th generation.
Hard to see him winning 4 more. His numbers have dropped significantly this year. Could be clear case of physical decline. But Nadal has surprised us before. After 2015-16 Slump - he came back with one strongest ever performance on clay in 2017. If Nadal still has something like that in him then anything in possible.
He needs to conjure 1 final blast of a 4-5 years run of dominance.
Thats it, he will surged ahead of anyone who played tennis.
All of Roger's wimbledons, Novak's AOs, Laver's CYGS etc etc will look second grade to Rafa's that achievement.
Of course for this he will have to be dominant till 40 years of age but that is what is required .... 2 full decades+ of dominating a surface .... unthinkable
Will be hearing about it again next year and he'll probably win RG again, then Roger wins Wimbledon in crutches, but of course, Novak would've already collected his AO. The only title Rafa would love to add to his collection is that elusive Tour Finals trophy before retirement.We heard that a lot back in April, May and June this year. We also hear continually that “Rafa will be winning RG into his 40’s.”
Cement?If Rafa can win more RG he will cement his legacy as the clay GOAT. Nothing more.
Peak Dominance
Fed > Djokovic > Rafa
Recordwise
Novak > Fed > Rafa
Moneywise/Brand Ambassador
Fed >>> Novak = Rafa
As an Athlete
Rafa > Novak > Federer
As a role Model
Rafa > Roger
Popularitywise
Fed > Rafa
So Overall Legacywise ..... Fed > Rafa
He will not going to 4 RG, one or two at max, right now apart from Med, Clay has more competition outside of Hc .I feel Nadal needs to work on his serve now @D.Nalby12 if he wants to aim a 4th wave
Apart from that he needs to get extra fit as well during the clay season, he might have to skip all the other slams in the year or play them as "timepaas"
I would like Rafa somewhat more if I never came by this forumI like Nadal a lot (personally) but he has a ridiculous fanbase on here which has started to affect my view of him lol. I think that is a sign of too much TTW.
Of course he doesn't want his titles remembered. They were gained by gaming the system.
I honestly don't see the difference legacy wise of what he's already done and what you're proposing. He's already done the impossible 5 times over on clayHe needs to conjure 1 final blast of a 4-5 years run of dominance.
Thats it, he will surged ahead of anyone who played tennis.
All of Roger's wimbledons, Novak's AOs, Laver's CYGS etc etc will look second grade to Rafa's that achievement.
Of course for this he will have to be dominant till 40 years of age but that is what is required .... 2 full decades+ of dominating a surface .... unthinkable
Stop tarnishing the reputation of Rafa. What has he done to deserve this?Nobody had any evidence of Lance cheating but people knew something just wasn't right; so to with the rest of the peleton which made Lance even more suspect. The constant running down of balls point after point is highly suggestive, for one.
I say style of playBut his legacy comes from his titles
Ask Djoker last SundayTitles and numbers don't matter.
Before I joined this forum, I was a Roger fan who also respected Rafa and Novak. It’s the toxicity and unpleasantness of the fans on this forum that made me change my mind too. However, I always try to remind myself that players are not responsible for the behaviour of their fans. I can dislike the fans but should not dislike the player. Anyhow, I’m relatively new around here, but I have learned that all fan bases have been taking turns in obnoxiousness, and it seems now it’s Novak’s fans time, but I remember not long ago when Rafa fans were even worse. I hear that Roger fans used to be unbearable in the past, but that was years before I started visiting TTW.I like Nadal a lot (personally) but he has a ridiculous fanbase on here which has started to affect my view of him lol. I think that is a sign of too much TTW.
What about this:What about him admitting in his book that Toni was coaching him in the USO 2010 final, telling him where to serve? Postive or negative in your view?
I don't remember him actually admitting that in the book. And regardless, as a person and as a competitor he's one of the best role models in the game .What about him admitting in his book that Toni was coaching him in the USO 2010 final, telling him where to serve? Postive or negative in your view?
I would like Rafa somewhat more if I never came by this forum
I honestly don't see the difference legacy wise of what he's already done and what you're proposing. He's already done the impossible 5 times over on clay
"Role model" it's not the job of the parents ?
All of the above is like trying to squeeze water out of stone.So we're going to ignore the fact for 80% of his career he took full advantage of the time between serves and routinely took between 30 and 40seconds before the rule was enforced (likely because of him) and the fact he made an injury excuse almost every time he lost an important match? Or how some years he pulled out of events claiming an injury he wants to let heal yet is always miraculously healed intime for the clay season? How about the fact that for almost his entire career he has whined about making changes to the tour that directly benefit him. Hell i could go on with specific incidents like the Rosol shoulder bump or getting umpires banned from his matches but i think i've made my point.
To be perfectly frank i think it is embarrasing that Rafa thinks of himself as a good EG to upcoming players or anyone for that matter when he has a history of doing things only that directly benefit him and making excuses when it doesn't work out.
Yes, the role model of how to persevere against all odds. How to never give up on a dream, a role model of hard work, looking to the every detail. An example how to win against the world and own weaknesses.Who on earth could possibly argue that Djokovic is a good role model, let alone a better role model than Nadal or Federer?
Possibly doped. That's what. Am I saying "definitively"? No. But I do highly suspect he does and not only him, btw. I highly suspect Djokovic does. I don't believe Federer did because I believe how he wins, well won for now I guess, is explainable, although I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out otherwise. I think a great example to illustrate just how abnormal Nadal/Nole endurance is would be to compare their matches when they played against Murray. Murray, I don't believe, dopes. When you watch his matches, you can see he gets tired. It's a stark contrast when he played Nole or Rafa that those two were run side to side as much as they made Murray run and you can see the toll it took on Murray yet not on them. One of the key strategies in tennis is wearing down your opponent. There are many players like Murray who devote a lot to their fitness yet still display normal human cycles of energy/tiring, as shown by Murray, Courier, Agassi and so on.Stop tarnishing the reputation of Rafa. What has he done to deserve this?
You are making a massive accusation though? Unfairly too. No evidence has ever leaked out that he has. It is baseless. Anybody can go around throwing that crap out there. Reckless and blinded.So, if you don't personally believe Rafa dopes, hey fine. However, don't act as if those who do aren't being reasonable in their suspicion.
All of the above is trying to squeeze water out of stone.
Yeah, he sure never made anyone wait on him...I agree. His on-court composure is terrific (...)
If there's one player entitled to criticize other player's on-court behavior, it's Rafa.
Losing breeds humility which breeds compassion. Taking Ls is the one thing that every fanbase can relate on, and it balances them out.Before I joined this forum, I was a Roger fan who also respected Rafa and Novak. It’s the toxicity and unpleasantness of the fans on this forum that made me change my mind too. However, I always try to remind myself that players are not responsible for the behaviour of their fans. I can dislike the fans but should not dislike the player. Anyhow, I’m relatively new around here, but I have learned that all fan bases have been taking turns in obnoxiousness, and it seems now it’s Novak’s fans time, but I remember not long ago when Rafa fans were even worse. I hear that Roger fans used to be unbearable in the past, but that was years before I started visiting TTW.
Having a suspicion and making an accusation is not the samething, at all.You are making a massive accusation though? Unfairly too. No evidence has ever leaked out that he has. It is baseless. Anybody can go around throwing that crap out there. Reckless and blinded.
So you are saying you dont think he did dope? Correct?Having a suspicion and making an accusation is not the samething, at all.
What about this:
Novak Djokovic denies being coached during matches by Boris Becker
Djokovic: ‘We can’t pretend coaching’s not happening in tennis’
When asked on Sunday what he thought of reports that Becker admitted in a recent interview to doing just that, Djokovic, the reigning Wimbledon men’s singles champion, said: “I don’t think that we’re cheating. I don’t think that’s how you can call it.
“I mean, there are special ways of, I would say, communication, as he mentioned: the way you look at each other, the way you ‘feel’ your box, and the box ‘feels’ what you’re going through on the court. I think that’s something that just gives you that reassurance, gives you that confidence.
When asked on Sunday what he thought of reports that Becker admitted in a recent interview to doing just that, Djokovic, the reigning Wimbledon men’s singles champion, said: “I don’t think that we’re cheating. I don’t think that’s how you can call it.
“I mean, there are special ways of, I would say, communication, as he mentioned: the way you look at each other, the way you ‘feel’ your box, and the box ‘feels’ what you’re going through on the court. I think that’s something that just gives you that reassurance, gives you that confidence.
“It’s not necessary that he tells me where to serve or to which side of the opponent’s court I have to play, because that doesn’t happen. But it’s more of a, you know, encouragement, and more of a support and reassurance, as I said, that’s basically present in those moments.”
Pressed further on whether or not this constituted “a signal”, Djokovic smiled nervously, and replied: “Well, I think with all the cameras pointed out to him and to the box, I think you would already notice if he would just kind of go kick serve, slice, to do the backhand or forehand.
“But again, we can’t pretend like that’s not happening in tennis. Of course, there’s situations when it happens, and not just with the top players, with everybody. This is a very competitive sport. You’re alone on the court. Of course, there’s certain rules.
“But also there are times when the team of the player communicates with the player when he gets to go and take the towel in the corner, which is closer to the box, or, you know, different ways.
“I think it’s all fine as long as it’s not regular. I think it just depends. Also that’s up to the chair umpire or supervisor to decide if somebody’s breaking the rules or not. As long as it’s something that you can tolerate, let’s say, within the ways of communication, I think it’s fine.”
Novak Djokovic denies being coached during matches by Boris Becker
The world No1 Novak Djokovic has fended off questions about the extent of friendship with Roger Federerwww.theguardian.com