Rate my serve.

no skillz

Rookie
Yep another rate my serve thread. I personally am pretty happy with how my serve is working out, several months ago I was not able to hit consistent serves and almost always lost my serve point due to double faults.
I would rate myself a 3.5 player but lately I have been coming close to the threshold of allowing myself to call myself a 4.0 player.

Here is just one serve. I will try to get some groundstrokes and more serves on video.

This is my second serve, I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAsZoFoWKJo

Special thanks to Drakulie for taking the video.
 

maverick1

Semi-Pro
I am assuming you can't reproduce that kind of placement consistently. If you can place it like that to either corner, it would be 7.0 second serve.

You hit it pretty solidly for a second serve. If you don't double fault much, this is a good 4.0 second serve. I know at least one decent 4.0 with a weaker second serve than this.
 

LuckyR

Legend
Nice second serve ace to the corner of the T. I see why you chose that one to post. To answer your question the motion is exactly what I would have expected by your self description. Perfectly reasonable second serve.
 

no skillz

Rookie
I cannot consistently reproduce that kind of placement, but I am usually able to place the serve around the desired area (I have recently started to work on placement). My double faults are much fewer then 6 months ago.

Any comments/suggestions on foot placement or body mechanics are welcome.
 
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maverick1

Semi-Pro
Almost everything looks pretty good as far as I can tell, except that you don't toss it as much to the left(the Ad side) as most good servers do(I have been watching quite a few clips on TennisPlayer.net).

That is probably why your serve has sidepin and not topspin. I don't know if you did that intentionally. If you can vary the angle the spin between sidespin and topspin, then it has got to be better than 4.0. If you can vary the spin without varying the toss, it would probably be 6.0.
I have no direct experience of levels than 4.0; I am making this up the best I can.
 

snoflewis

Legend
that's just one serve...we can rate that single serve, but not you as a server. btw, your opponent's reaction was incredibly slow not to mention he didnt split step, which i consider a good part of returning.
 

no skillz

Rookie
I like to vary the spin, I like to alternate between topspin,side spin and flat. For the second serve I use a grip that is slightly off continental or continental dependeing on what I want to achive, sometimes I get what I want and other times I dont. Sometimes I vary the toss, but I try to keep it neutral and always toss it in front of me. Sometimes I toss it behind me to try to get a kick serve.

I dont really have a consistent style that I use, I try different things and try to see what works best.

I literally started learning to serve like 8 months ago. I have played tennis for a while, but never took to learning a serve.
 
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onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Excellent placement! ...and it looks like it spun away from the
receiver a bit, too. I'd say 3.5 - 4.0 probably,, depending on how
often you can place it that accurately. Not a lot of pace, but I'd take
placement over pace any day (as long as it's not super slow). It looks
like the second bounce was pretty far from the back fence.
 

Kid Carlos

Semi-Pro
I agree with snoflewis although the serve was good the returner did not look like he's a great returner, as well that looks like a slice serve so the variety would need to be there as well, how is your kick serve?
 
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AJK1

Hall of Fame
You haven't been coached have you. You can always tell someone who has developed their own way by the awkwardness of their strokes. Drakulie is the same. You may do alright now, but you'll never improve unless you get a coach to stand by you and work on a few things. If you want to improve, It's worth it.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
You haven't been coached have you. You can always tell someone who has developed their own way by the awkwardness of their strokes. Drakulie is the same. You may do alright now, but you'll never improve unless you get a coach to stand by you and work on a few things. If you want to improve, It's worth it.

What is "awkward" about his serve? Considering he started to develop a serve less than 8 months ago, his serve is extremely good, and there is absolutely nothing awkward about it at this stage, especially when you consider the short amount of time he has been working on it.

Like usual you really don't have much to say, and your comment here insunuating his serve would not be "awkward" if he had a coach, demonstrates how clueless you really are.

Judging from your comment here, you must think Mcenroe, Rafter, Ivanisavec, Sampras, Roddick, all have "awkward serves", therefore were probably not "coached". LOL

By the way, since you obviously don't know---------- The serve is the hardest stoke in tennis to LEARN, and takes YEARS AND YEARS to obtain--even with a coach.

Noskillz is doing fine, even with your "input" (cough).

By the way, for 3 weeks you have been bragging about how good you are and how you are going to post a video. I along with many others are awaiting. And like I said, there is really no excuse--every cell phone has video capability and You Tube is free. I am sure you won't post anything though. You are more content bragging about your abilities and hiding behind your insults of other posters on these boards than to be shown as a fraud. And again, judging from your comments here, it is quite obvious you really don't know what you are talking about, so you can't possibly play at any type of level above a beginner.

Many people await your vids. Here is the link in case you conveniently forgot:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=80240
 

Mike Cottrill

Hall of Fame
Drake,
If I venture a guess, this is more a dig at you than No Skills. There are plenty of good things going on with his serve.
 

AJK1

Hall of Fame
It's coming, don't worry. I'm also thinking of doing a parody of some serving and stroke styles i've seen on these boards. The tray waiter, the no follow through, and maybe even the overhead put away ala Drakulie ;)
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Mike, I am sure he is digging at both, as all this guy does is go around the boards and rag on everyone who posts video, while at the same time claiming how good he is. I have even seen posts where he digs at and tries to "correct" pro players strokes, all the time not knowing the video is of a pro. LOL.

I just wanted to post above ^^^^^^^so other readers don't get mislead by his BS. Like I said, the poster has been developing a serve for less than 8 months, and it is very good. Could he improve? Absoultely! But all of that comes with time and practice. Nobody develops a "pro serve" in 8 months. Quite frankly, 99.9999999999 of the tennis playing population never comes comes close to developing a pro serve--that is why we are all recreational players--if being a pro only came down to having a "coach", we would all be on the pro tour, following AJK1 and his "pro technique". LOL

I'm still waiting for his vids, as he "promised" to have them up 2 weeks ago. Maybe when Santa arrives so will his vids. LOL

Here is the closest we have come to a vid from him. Post # 161, in the link I already provided earlier.
Gamma Bubba, you bubba!
 
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AJK1

Hall of Fame
I lead a busy lifestyle, so organising a vid is difficult, but not impossible. It'll be done.
Also, nothing i have said is BS, tell me i have lied about any of the vids i have seen. I call it how it is i'm afraid. It's just that posters around here don't like the truth, all they want to hear is how great they are, or how fast they are etc. Or what stupid rating they are based on a couple of groundies and a **** weak serve. It's just ego massaging.
And, when have i crapped on a pro's strokes?
The sooner you guys get real about your abilities the sooner you will improve.
And that's why i'm hard with my advice, i actually want you guys to be the best you can be.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I lead a busy lifestyle, so organising a vid is difficult, but not impossible. It'll be done.

I suppose everyone around here doesn't lead a busy life?? Again, your arrogance comes out. 3 weeks is more than enough time to video yourself.

Also, nothing i have said is BS, tell me i have lied about any of the vids i have seen.

Yeah you have. For starters, this thread. You stated his serve is "awkward". You simply insult, rather than stating, "try to improve on this or that". You don't give advice. Insults are neither good coaching, nor good advice. So yes, your post is BS.

I call it how it is i'm afraid.

No, you don't call it how it is. Like I said, insulting someone is neither demonstrating your knowledge, nor demonstarting your abilities to study a video. All it demonstrates is how insecure you are. There is NOTHING awkward about no skillz serve. He is not a pro, has not been playing for 10+ years, etc. He just began learning a serve 8 months ago. Quite frankly, his serve is very advanced for the short time he has been playing. So again, you obvioulsy know nothing, so you insult.


It's just that posters around here don't like the truth, all they want to hear is how great they are, or how fast they are etc.

Again, more BS. For starters many of the people who post their vids ASK for advice and ask how they could improve on their strokes. Then you come in and insult and don't offer anything of substance.

Just take this thread. The poster wanted to know what level people thought his serve was. Where is your rating??? You don't give one. You do howver take the opportunity to say he has an awkward serve.

It's just ego massaging.

The only "ego massaging" going on is yours. Since you don't really have anything constructive to say, you take the opportunity to try and make yourself feel better by insulting others, and trying to trying to mislead readers into thinking you know what you are talking about. But the truth is --YOU DON"T.

The sooner you guys get real about your abilities the sooner you will improve.

The sooner you stop insulting people and give constructive advice, the sooner people will take you seriously.

Just post your vids already, we are going on over 3 weeks already Chachi.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
And that's why i'm hard with my advice, i actually want you guys to be the best you can be.

Here is a list of your most recent "advice". Not one piece of knowledge provided to improve anyones game. Not ONE.

This one is from a thread where the poster asked for advice on what he could do to improve.
Oh my god, not another one.........

Here is your comment from a thread where the poster was curious to know how fast a 4.0 typically serves:

Rediculous question, rediculous answers.

Here is your comment from a thread where the poster wanted to know what type of games people could recommend for little kids:

Yell at them, whoever cries last wins.

Here is your comment from a thread where the poster asked what level people though his serve was:

Trying to NTRP rate someone's serve from side on is just moronic. If you want a rating out of ten i'd give a 3 for effort. Form is ordinary. You haven't been coached obviously.

Here is your comment on a thread where the poster asked what level everyone though they were. By the way, the guy in the vid is ranked like # 6 in Canada:

They may hit the ball well, but they have no idea how to hit winners, which is a worry.

Here is your comment on a thread where the poster was just sharing his vid with the rest of us:

Terrible, predictable tennis. You guys need to up the ante, and get those feet moving.

Here is your comment on a thread where the 2 players are playing in an open tournament. Oddly enough you weren’t satisfied in the previous thread either where the two players had a 42 shot rally. HMMM???

Typical of Junior Tennis, they can barely have a rally more than 5 strokes long.

Here is your comment in a thread where the poster wanted to share some vids with the rest of us.

Why is it that Asians always look awkward and goofy playing tennis?

Here is a thread where the poster asked on advice to improve his game:

Yeah, fist pumps need to be longer in duration, and the racquet spins between shots need to be a little faster, but otherwise, well done!;)


MAN, I NEVER REALIZED WHAT A GREAT "COACH" YOU ARE, AND HOW LUCKY WE ALL ARE TO HAVE YOU PROVIDING "TIPS" ON HOW TO IMPROVE.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
wow drakulie that must have taken like forever but i think that was well worth it to get ur point across about this guy =D

Actually it took about 10 minutes. Wasn't too hard, as every one of his posts in the tennis tips section is the same crap, so it wasn't like I had to search very hard to find them.

What is ironic is what he says in this thread, "that's why i'm hard with my advice, i actually want you guys to be the best you can be."

How could calling someone a "goofy asian" be considered "advice"??
 

MasturB

Legend
Looks like somebody got owned.
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no skillz

Rookie
It seems quiet easy to critique someone, and ever easier to say something with out proof.

AJK1 likes men in a prison sort of way. There I said it, and if I said it, it must be true. Now if I provided examples of ways/reasons AJK1 loves men, such as his constant need to put down other people stems from the constant rejection from women in his life which ultimetly causes him to seek attention of male companions. No offense but you are just an awkward person.

I understand one can say something is bad, but it is a personal opinion and not fact.

Now you have stated that your life is very busy, yet you are willing to compile a video of strokes that are intended to further put down members and their strokes. Why not make a video of your best hits so everyone can judge you, and then actually see if your opinions have any validity to them.

I wait patiently for your video.

I am sorry to flame you but I think you are a ******. Who the hell are you to tell a person they suck, and leave it at that. You are not a pro, you are a ****. You can tell me I have a crappy serve and I will not be offended as long as you say something that will help me improve. Saying I am aswkaward just gets me mad.
 
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predrag

Professional
It seems quiet easy to critique someone, and ever easier to say something with out proof.
[snip]



Well, you asked for an oppinion.

Your serve is not 6.0 like some people here lead you to believe.

It is 4.0 hard hit serve.

YOur grip is wrong. I think it is a version of the continental grip, just little
too much hammer grip.
Continental grip should have a index finger extended.
Second, your elbow should be starting upwards.
Like a throwing football. Think of dragging your buttcap into the ball.
Also, right shoulder should go over your left, like a cartwheel.


Regards, Predrag
 
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no skillz

Rookie
Well, you asked for an oppinion.

Your serve is not 6.0 like some people here lead you to believe.

It is 4.0 hard hit serve.

YOur grip is wrong. I think it is a version of the continental grip, just little
too much hammer grip.
Continental grip should have a index finger extended.
Second, your elbow should be starting upwards.
Like a throwing football. Think of dragging your buttcap into the ball.
Also, right shoulder should go over your left, like a cartwheel.


Regards, Predrag


I did not expect to have a 6.0 serve.
Thank you very much for giving me constructive criticism, that is what I truly wanted. You gave examples of the faults in my technique, I like that. I will try to work on these points in the future.
 

predrag

Professional
I did not expect to have a 6.0 serve.
Thank you very much for giving me constructive criticism, that is what I truly wanted. You gave examples of the faults in my technique, I like that. I will try to work on these points in the future.

Well, since you like that here is some more:
Try wielding your racket when holding it by two fingers only.
It should be one uninterrupted motion. Start with racquet pointing down,
pull it back, and then up (racquet now pointing to the sky), let it drop behind
your back, lift your elbow, and then pull buttcap upwards.
That is basically what your serving motion should be.

Regards, Predrag
 

skuludo

Professional
I am pretty sure you failed the racket drop phase like many others I have seen here. Myself included. All but one serve did I get the racket parallel to my body.

When you are in the racket drop position the racket should be in line with your back. These two lines should be paralell.


Back | Racket
| |


The reason for getting your racket in line is to allow you to have more swing distance is what I've read so far from free resources of the hitechtennis site.



Rating: A usable serve even with the flaws in it. If you need a rating the speed of the serve should speak for itself. Draks gun should be there. I'm sure you've tested your serve using his probly.

Martina Hingis's serve 1st serve is in 80s-99mph. Her second serves average in the 70s.

Michael Chang also hits his second serves in the 70s too.
 
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no skillz

Rookie
Thanks to both of you for your input, I will try to improve my serve.

The fastest I have served using Draks gun was about 90 mph.

The racquet parallel to the body makes sense, I see how that would provide more power. In order to use this technique I will have to adjust my over all timing.
 

predrag

Professional
Thanks to both of you for your input, I will try to improve my serve.

The fastest I have served using Draks gun was about 90 mph.

The racquet parallel to the body makes sense, I see how that would provide more power. In order to use this technique I will have to adjust my over all timing.

That is quite hard serve. If you improved technique, used a bit more body and legs you could probably add another 20mph

Regards, Predrag
 

skuludo

Professional
TennisMastery hit 92mph on his knees.

There has got to be some trick to doing that.
Maybe a more violent pronation. This would mean your forarm needs to accelerate hard.


Agassi with good back hits between 80s and 90s second serve.+

Safin averaged in one match 105MPH with second serves.
 
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AngeloDS

Hall of Fame
It's a pretty good serve; the only thing I wouldn't really do any drastic changes to the motion. Minor tweaking here and there as you get stronger and understand your serve motion more.

I'd just work on hitting spots on the ball and a bit of drilling. Drilling like trying to get 10 / 10 serves into a hula hoop placed on the court. Actively trying to hit those spots; I know a lot of people who just go brain dead and go with the serve [not even thinking about placement or anything, just going up to serve].
 

skuludo

Professional
You need your second serve speed to be at your first serve speed.

And your first serve speed to be higher to fit in with the normal service speed of professional tennis.

Those minor tweakings are actualy major tweakings.



The closer you reach the norm the closer you are to have a good serve provided you reach the bounce heights of certain speeds. 90mph serve that bounces 6 feet or higher.

That is the evaluation you should use to rate your serve.
 
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no skillz

Rookie
I have been playing tennis for years, since I was 8 but I have never learned a serve. Recently I started to learn to serve, just about the time I joined this website. I am pretty happy with where I am with my serve today, I would lose entire sets with double faults. And looked goofy doing it. Now I am able to hit a few really sweet serves once in a while and get majority of my serves in. I understand my serve is no where near perfect but I am working hard on it.

I must say thanks to all that have given me feedback that I could use to advance my game. Thanks ya'll.
 

Trinity TC

Semi-Pro
I like the nice easy motion that you've got. That's the kind of stuff that you can't teach. You will probably be quite a bit better after another year and another 5,000 serves. Just let it happen and don't get injured.8)
 

skuludo

Professional
Re read my previous post. I just edited it.

I think the easy motion can be taught.
But no skills needs to hit harder and I think he knows what it takes to generate a 90mph serve.
 
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AJK1

Hall of Fame
NoSkillz, (not a good choice of username) As much as you dislike my so called arrogance, I did give you the best advice out of all these posts, get a coach. If you have been playing since you were 8 and you've never learned to serve, then what does that tell you. As much as we'd all like to, you can only learn so much from others and websites etc. (It's cheaper). I apologise if you don't like my tone, but that's what you need. A coach would have picked up on things like your grip, stance, knee bend, take back, follow through placement, spin etc. I couldn't serve very well when i switched from squash to tennis, so i enlisted a coach to help me work on it, and after much frustration and sweat and umpteen buckets of balls, i've developed a good if not, great serve. I haven't hit a double fault in matches for over a year now, and my serving wins me a lot of free points. Get a coach, it will be money well spent.
 

AngeloDS

Hall of Fame
Serve speed doesn't matter really; until you start getting into higher levels is where you need a decent serve speeds.

For me it goes: variety, placement and then speed. After you get all the different motions, you can start refining them to hit specific spots. Then from there speed will come naturally.

Speed will come naturally just from excellent timing; but it's a good idea to make sure your body is able to handle the stress by going to the gym and doing light lifting to strengthen the shoulders and what-not [I see too many people throwing out their shoulders trying to serve faster than their body can handle].
 

skuludo

Professional
Serve speed comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7AYfdTi6AM

The service speed is what is needed for higher levels. It is the best way to gauge the quality of the serve along with placement.



AJK1 what do you think of Jeff at www.hitechtennis.com and his distance education video analysis coaching?

Good or bad? What is the verdict?


I picked up his grip, stance, knee bend, take back, follow through placement, spin, etc.
Grip looks to be fine. The swing appears to have the pronation based on my own swing if it is correct. (I have not recorded my new serve since I think I can still get more out of it. Just need to hit the ball when it is dry and not wet to find out it's flight pattern and real speed with out the drag.)
- Tackback looks standard. Racket drop phase = failed.
- Follow through seems to curl back upwards instead of just letting the arm comptly drop down.
- Spin is not relevant information. I guess he just felt like hitting the down the middle slider. It served its purpose as a down the middle slider.
- The tossing arm appears to not go all the way up. Kind of hard to tell from the back angle. I would need to look at a couple of serves and a side view and front view to tell.
- Knee bend phase seems neutral. I believe the purpose of the knee bend is suppose to create somthing called "hip stretch" that is rumored to allow a person to store some extra energy on to the serve. Maybe it works like the baseball pitch.

I need more serves to see if some stuff occured as a fluke or not.
 
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AJK1

Hall of Fame
Actually, out of all the web based instructional sites i've looked at, the hightech one is one of the better ones. I like the way it's presented, and anyone who uses the info provided should get a lot out of it.
 

skuludo

Professional
If a coach serves as a purpose of a 2 way communication, then is it possible to do this online AJK1?

Student provides visuals to coach.
Coach analysises and gives feedback.
Student provides new visuals to coach based on coaches advice.
Coach analysises again and provides more feedback along with examples to demonstrate if necessary.
Process keeps repeating until a desired outcome is achieved.


Is that not the process of teaching?
I am sure the new sony camera that can film at 240 frames per second can see more than the human eye.
By using this camcorder and providing a coach this information the coach should be able to pick up everything.

I think www.hitechtennis.com serves as a tool for the steps I outlined near the begining of this message. This being the method that saves money, but may take a fair amount of time. The reason for "a fair amount of time" is that the student will not get a feedback within 1 minute.


It is still possible to hire another person using the 240 frames per second video to look at the serve. I really think there is no difference in this situation whether the serve is looked at in person or through video data and have a coach look at it.


The hightech site doesn't just offer information. You can have the information personaly tailored to what you are doing as that person has written up articles for specific individual strokes of subscribers upon submission of a video. Maybe even all of the subscribers.
This is all good provided that his information is real.
 
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AJK1

Hall of Fame
Web based film analysis is a great idea. The hightechtennis ones i looked at of users submitting their videos was excellent. The feedback they provide is great. Where i play, the coach videos the student hitting certain strokes, then replays it back to the student, and shows the student whats right/wrong etc. It gives you instant feedback and is a real eye opener for the student to see themselves in action. But, ultimately, having a coach with you is the perfect scenario, but cost is always a factor. The web based methods are great, as long as the student can actually grasp what is happening and transfer it to their game. Remember, it's "Perfect" practice that makes perfect. Getting rid of bad habits early in your tennis life is the key. Because it is way harder to change some bad habit you've been doing for a long time. Also, repetition is the key to playing better tennis, the more you do something, the more you will develop muscle memory, and the better you will play. A great way to do this is to put targets (plastic bottles etc.) at desired locations all over the court, and then try to hit them as much as you can. (Groundstrokes and serves). It's not as easy as you think, but it is a great way to train your mind and body to hit the ball to these locations.
 

AJK1

Hall of Fame
And by the way, Drakulie's research of me was a great read, hopefully he's putting his talents to good use. One thing i must say though, i had a look at Drakulie's past threads/posts, and it seems i'm not the only one who has criticised/commented unfavourably on his so called tennis talent. And Drakulie was quick to attack those posters for disagreeing with his opinion of himself. In one post he actually describes his serve as textbook! Far from it my friend. He suffers from delusions of grandeur i feel. He has a high opinion of himself, which is fine i suppose, but he needs a reality check. I also think it's a little weird that he idolises Sampras so much that he uses the same stick, shoes, socks, string tension etc. (why not gut?) as the great man, and tries to copy his service motion. (in a dorky kinda way) Lol. In the holidays i will be playing with my son a lot, so i'll try and post a video of us, it's the time of year for a good laugh. Cheers :D
 
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bribeiro

Banned
And by the way, Drakulie's research of me was a great read, hopefully he's putting his talents to good use. One thing i must say though, i had a look at Drakulie's past threads/posts, and it seems i'm not the only one who has criticised/commented unfavourably on his so called tennis talent. And Drakulie was quick to attack those posters for disagreeing with his opinion of himself. In one post he actually describes his serve as textbook! Far from it my friend. He suffers from delusions of grandeur i feel. He has a high opinion of himself, which is fine i suppose, but he needs a reality check. I also think it's a little weird that he idolises Sampras so much that he uses the same stick, shoes, socks, string tension etc. (why not gut?) as the great man, and tries to copy his service motion. (in a dorky kinda way) Lol. In the holidays i will be playing with my son a lot, so i'll try and post a video of us, it's the time of year for a good laugh. Cheers :D

Happy holidays!
 

shindemac

Hall of Fame
Noskills, your serve is good from what I can remember. Youtube is crashing my browser a lot so I haven't really looked at it to see what you are doing right or wrong. I could tell you've been playing longer than the "8 months" you've mentioned. You wanted to know your rating, and I can only say that most 4.0s and above can start placing their serves. Until you start doing that, it will be a barrier to your serve rating. You don't need to serve with precision, but you should be able to aim for the 3 main spots:forehand, body, and backhand.
 

no skillz

Rookie
I have started to learn to serve about 8 months ago. I have been playing tennis from the age of 8.

AJK1, I must say that I am sorry for my previous attack of you. But once you started to provide reasoning and some personal experience to your comments, they become more meaningful and your arrogance is replaced by what appears to be extensive knowledge. Thank you very much for your comments.

I have had a coach but being a college student I cannot easily afford the 65 dollar an hour that a coach charges. I watch videos and practice against a wall and serve. I definatly see what I am doing wrong. I have also tried to use the racquet drop phase and I see how it gives me an advantage.

My coach did not ever video tape me and play it back and show me my faults, so when I will go back to getting coached I will find a new coach.

Right now I am just playing the game and trying to improve by myself, hopefully I will not mess my strokes up to the point of disrepair.

Thanks to everyone who has commented.
 

maverick1

Semi-Pro
You need your second serve speed to be at your first serve speed.

And your first serve speed to be higher to fit in with the normal service speed of professional tennis.

NoSkillz's second serve needs to be 90 mph? Sampras' averaged only about 85 mph.
 

Mike Cottrill

Hall of Fame
AJK1 said:
;Remember, it's "Perfect" practice that makes perfect. Getting rid of bad habits early in your tennis life is the key. Because it is way harder to change some bad habit you've been doing for a long time.

Finally something to take to the bank
 

AJK1

Hall of Fame
No worries noskillz, i had bad attitude and i apologise. I will endeavour to provide more appropriate and in depth comments in the future.
Merry Christmas! :D
 
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