serena may not be a better player than federer but i think she is arguably mentally tougher than him
And she doesn't play false bromance games with the person she loses to in order to stroke her ego
serena may not be a better player than federer but i think she is arguably mentally tougher than him
serena may not be a better player than federer but i think she is arguably mentally tougher than him
Easier to be mentally tough when you don’t have to play BO5.serena may not be a better player than federer but i think she is arguably mentally tougher than him
One could make the argument that if the best female player was so much ahead of rest the WTA field (for example she would have 50 singles slams and the next best player would have 24) than she can be considered better in her field than the best male player (who would have say 20 majors) thus she'd be the greatest.You have to separate genders.
What Serena has done is magnificent, but only within the WTA field. ATP and WTA are so different that you can't say Serena is the greatest among both genders.
So yes, it is PR.
I’m sure there are male players that are lighter than Williams and better Tennis players. What does “pound-for-pound” even mean in this context?I think he said overall because he sincerely believes that pound for pound she is the best there has ever been, just like a middleweight can be considered better than a heavyweight even though he would obviously get 'clobbered' 1:1.
See, we can all guess why he said "overall" and claim it as "the truth".
Considering separation by tours, Esther Vergeer would be, by far, the greatest Tennis player ever.So basically Federer just blew up this whole absolute argument that many dudes on this site like to make, mostly his fans, and just flat out said that S. Williams could be considered the greatest. So now everyone thinks it must be PR, he doesn't really mean it and go back to their absolute arguments. Federer is simply smarter than you and he can actually separate the two without feeling like he's slighted in the least because at the end of the day he knows he would destroy Serena Williams on a tennis court. He still can separate what she achieved, according to her gender, and place that in perspective and how amazing it is in itself. Federer's fans could learn a lot from him.
It's also not that clear to be that Serena should be ahead of Graf or Court.One could make the argument that if the best female player was so much ahead of rest the WTA field (for example she would have 50 singles slams and the next best player would have 24) than she can be considered better in her field than the best male player (who would have say 20 majors) thus she'd be the greatest.
But it's a bit complicated when the GS formats between the two tours are different -- bo3 and bo5. Maybe Fed would have more majors than Serena had he played in a bo3 format (or not) or then again maybe Serena would have won more in a bo5 format.
Not that it really matters but let's match up Serena and Federer's records.
Slams: Serena 23, Federer 20.
Olympics: 1, 0
Year end events: 6, 6
Masters/Premier etc: 23, 27
Total titles: 72, 97
Weeks at #1: 319, 309
Consecutive weeks #1: 186, 237
Consistency/ top level: Neither have won the CYGS. Serena has twice won a non-calendar GS. But she has been very inconsistent over her career. She never made all 4 finals in one year, Federer has done so 3 times, and has those stretches of consecutive SFs and QFs etc.
So: if you go by slams alone then 23>20 and that's that. But there's a lot to point to Federer's record as well.
This is fact.Everybody knows this except the insecure 3.0 men on this forum. Real men readily admit that Serena is the GOAT.
Agreed. Serena is an amazing player. Not in Karsten Braasch‘s league, regrettably, but still amazing.Yeah Federer is a good player, no denying that. Maybe not in Serena's or Nadal's league, but quite all right.
iswydtAgreed. Serena is an amazing player. Not in Karsten Braasch‘s league, regrettably, but still amazing.
Not unlike how you’re the actual Tennis GOAT considering your... excess.When Federer says he came from a different background than Serena, what he really means is that he was a spoiled brat from an affluent family who had everything handed to him, while Serena faced immense social and economic hurdles in her journey to the top. That alone is enough for Federer to admit that she is the GOAT among players of all genders.
Attribution? Or are you as usual claiming Serena said something you want us to believe she said?Fed and Laver tell everyone how much better others are than them, serena claims she is the goat (male or female). Which is more classy?
Show me that amazing compilation, for any female player, especially in the modern era, of incredible tweeners, running overheads, semi volleys, besides the net shots and then we will talk.
So Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the undisputed great boxers of all time, would have won exactly 0 titles in the heavyweight divisionIt’s funny how the best Tennis player of all time would win exactly 0 titles on the ATP tour.
So basically Federer just blew up this whole absolute argument that many dudes on this site like to make, mostly his fans, and just flat out said that S. Williams could be considered the greatest. So now everyone thinks it must be PR, he doesn't really mean it and go back to their absolute arguments. Federer is simply smarter than you and he can actually separate the two without feeling like he's slighted in the least because at the end of the day he knows he would destroy Serena Williams on a tennis court. He still can separate what she achieved, according to her gender, and place that in perspective and how amazing it is in itself. Federer's fans could learn a lot from him.
So Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the undisputed great boxers of all time, would have won exactly 0 titles in the heavyweight division
Which is exactly why Sugar Ray Leonard was never the best boxer in the world.So Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the undisputed great boxers of all time, would have won exactly 0 titles in the heavyweight division
Oh jeezus! It never ends!Feminism has gone too far.
Of course you have absolutely no proof that that is why he was not the best boxer in the world... but clearly you have a penchant for the specious argument, so I'll leave you to itWhich is exactly why Sugar Ray Leonard was never the best boxer in the world.
Are you saying he was the best boxer in the world?Of course you have absolutely no proof that that is why he was not the best boxer in the world...
Has anybody ever called Cecilia Braekhus the best boxer of all time? Why do you think that is?but clearly you have a penchant for the specious argument
Are you saying he was the best boxer in the world?
I’m trying really hard to see the point you’re trying to make, but I can’t find it. Perhaps you just misread my post? I didn’t point to Williams winning 0 titles on the ATP tour. I said she would not win a single title on the ATP tour, even if she played on it.I'm saying - and I thought quite clearly and succinctly, that there is no proof whatsover that his not competing in the heavyweight class, and therefore obviously winning no titles in that division is what makes anyone not consider him the best boxer in the world.
So you say! Do forgive me if your opinion carries little weight for me. Correction, no weight at allI’m trying really hard to see the point you’re trying to make, but I can’t find it. Suffice it to say that Williams was never even among the 100 best players in the world, which is why she can’t be the best player of all time.
Except the article also says 'best', and no woman is anywhere near the 'best overall player' exactly because she will be bested by hundreds of male pros.
Anyway, leave to the kiss-ups to proclaim Williams Jr as the indisputed goat.
I don’t care if my opinion carries no weight for you. I doubt even you are stupid enough to actually think Serena Williams would even be a contender for Grand Slams on the men’s tour, which is all that needs to be said.So you say! Do forgive me if your opinion carries little weight for me. Correction, no weight at all
Which is exactly why Sugar Ray Leonard was never the best boxer in the world.
Well she's not playing on the Men's Tour.. that's why one tour is called the Men's and the other the Women's... duh! So since no woman can win or be a contender for a GS on the Men's tour, why don't we just scrap the Women's tour... roflI don’t care if my opinion carries no weight for you. I doubt even you are stupid enough to actually think Serena Williams would even be a contender for Grand Slams on the men’s tour, which is all that needs to be said.
Esther Vergeer says hi.She dominated her category like no other. Hands down she is the GOAT for me too.
Yeh, seems that the lower weight divisions need to check out some "doctors/drugs" and "get their weight up" to compete in the heavyweight division to have any chance at being the best at what they do.That's not how the word 'best' is generally used in sports with weight classes.
People who follow olympic weightlifting would not call some fat 130kg guy who can clean and jerk 2kg heavier than Halil Mutlu a 'better' weightlifter when Halil is clean-and-jerking three times his own bodyweight and the 130kg is not close to doubling his own BW.
People who follow boxing don't claim that the 50th ranked heavyweight is in any meaningful sense a better boxer than Floyd Mayweather either.
It doesn’t matter how the word is used. It matters what the word means.That's not how the word 'best' is generally used in sports with weight classes.
Remember Serena used to beat Andy Roddick easily before puberty kicked in
We have the women’s tour because the men’s tour would murder the women’s tour if they played on the same tour. Still can’t pick the clue, can you?Well she's not playing on the Men's Tour.. that's why one tour is called the Men's and the other the Women's... duh! So since no woman can win or be a contender for a GS on the Men's tour, why don't we just scrap the Women's tour... rofl
There are no weight classes in Tennis. Enough with the false equivalence. Make the analogy between Williams and female boxers, if you have to. Not with middleweight male boxers.Yeh, seems that the lower weight divisions need to check out some "doctors/drugs" and "get their weight up" to compete in the heavyweight division to have any chance at being the best at what they do.
Esther Vergeer says hi.
Federer is a better Tennis player than Williams, because he’d perform better than her in any tournament you put them both in.
If we’re dividing by categorthat?
That’s a cheap response, so I’ll give you a cheap retort as well:Get back to me when the slam draw is 128 and the rankings exceed 1000.
It's also not that clear to be that Serena should be ahead of Graf or Court.
”Greatest” and “best” are two different words, with two different meanings. Shocking, I know.Lost count of how many historians rank Sugar Ray Robinson as the goat. Tell me more about his heavyweight exploits.
Sorry Rog, Mrs. Margaret Court has more Majors, the Grand Slam, and retired years earlier than Serena.
Very disrespectful to the women Court competed against.During a time when only a few women from a few countries competed.