Rusedski: Nole's anger makes him a champion

[Tiger8]

Lmao. I call shenanigans on that.

It's true, English literal translations make terms sound harsher than its meant to be, some don't even make sense. I gave an example on another post, Serbians say "konju jedan", which literal translation to English is "you horse". It's just tough to understand tbe cultural differences and how it impacts the language, distorts it in a way.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Lmao. I call shenanigans on that.

Actually, he is right. If you translate a lot of these expressions to English, they sound pretty vulgar and sometimes like complete nonsense.
But, when they swear, people (in Serbia) don't literally mean what they say, it's just the way of expressing the anger and nothing more. It's just like when Murray says "f@ck", he is not referring to a sexual act, he's simply expressing the anger.
Although the Serbian swearword vocabulary is much richer than the British, but that's another story

 

[Deleted member 512391]

It's true, English literal translations make terms sound harsher than its meant to be, some don't even make sense. I gave an example on another post, Serbians say "konju jedan", which literal translation to English is "you horse". It's just tough to understand tbe cultural differences and how it impacts the language, distorts it in a way.

I didn't see you've already provided an explanation, a good one.

 

[SpinToWin]

Actually, he is right. If you translate a lot of these expressions to English, they sound pretty vulgar and sometimes like complete nonsense.
But, when they swear, people (in Serbia) don't literally mean what they say, it's just the way of expressing the anger and nothing more. It's just like when Murray says "f@ck", he is not referring to a sexual act, he's simply expressing the anger.
Although the Serbian swearword vocabulary is much richer than the British, but that's another story

It's similar to greek… We have a lot of sayings and expressions in greek which make zero sense or are very misleading when directly translated into english.

Having said that, I see a clear disconnect between what Djokovic wants (despite what people may say, I find it to be pretty clear that he wants to be loved by the crowd badly) and how he acts. He of all people should know that he is on a court whose every inch is filmed and that whatever he does on court will be there for the world to see. Knowing that he should show some restraint out there (stuff like this happens relatively frequently with him unfortunately). If he doesn't want to be liked he can do whatever he wants, but if he wants to be liked and sometimes even does cringe-worthy stuff to achieve this, he shouldn't be acting like this on court and then making the audience responsible for liking him less than others. Djokovic does not have less fans only because he came after Fedal, but because he is less charismatic.

Also, regarding the PC debate, what load of bull. I don't mind "bad" language, but Djokovic's reactions rarely are justified. When "language" is used and in what context is important, just saying that people are too politically correct and sensitive is a stupid excuse. It's like saying that a player calling himself "a stupid f***" ironically in response to a poor play of his is the same as calling a person in the audience that. Newsflash, it isn't. Now stop using the "too much political correctness/sensitive people" straw man argument.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

It's similar to greek… We have a lot of sayings and expressions in greek which make zero sense or are very misleading when directly translated into english.

Having said that, I see a clear disconnect between what Djokovic wants (despite what people may say, I find it to be pretty clear that he wants to be loved by the crowd badly) and how he acts. He of all people should know that he is on a court whose every inch is filmed and that whatever he does on court will be there for the world to see. Knowing that he should show some restraint out there (stuff like this happens relatively frequently with him unfortunately). If he doesn't want to be liked he can do whatever he wants, but if he wants to be liked and sometimes even does cringe-worthy stuff to achieve this, he shouldn't be acting like this on court and then making the audience responsible for liking him less than others. Djokovic does not have less fans only because he came after Fedal, but because he is less charismatic.

Also, regarding the PC debate, what load of bull. I don't mind "bad" language, but Djokovic's reactions rarely are justified. When "language" is used and in what context is important, just saying that people are too politically correct and sensitive is a stupid excuse. It's like saying that a player calling himself "a stupid f***" ironically in response to a poor play of his is the same as calling a person in the audience that. Newsflash, it isn't. Now stop using the "too much political correctness/sensitive people" straw man argument.

Honestly, I don't know what you are talking about and why you responded to my comment with such a content.

My post was not about Djokovic's behavior, it was about the Serbian language, the swearwords as part of it and that their meaning shouldn't be interpreted literally, because it could make wrong impression.

If you want to discuss about Djokovic's intentions and how he wants to be loved by the crowd, please find someone else, I'm totally not interested.

 

[SpinToWin]

Honestly, I don't know what you are talking about and why you responded to my comment with such a content.

My post was not about Djokovic's behavior, it was about the Serbian language, the swearwords as part of it and that their meaning shouldn't be interpreted literally, because it could make wrong impression.

If you want to discuss about Djokovic's intentions and how he wants to be loved by the crowd, please find someone else, I'm totally not interested.

Sorry if I was unclear about my intent. The first part was a response to your post (the part about the greek language). The rest was a response to the general discussion in this thread

 

[Rozroz]

it's all really blown out of proportions.
Djokovic grew up in a tough country at tough times, no?
so obviously he must have some residues that effected his personality.
as Boris says, "he's a very sensitive boy".
if it comes out as these issues on court and the problem with the crowd,
then it's really no big deal.
as long as he concentrates on his new family, and the fact he's regarded as almost a king in Serbia, he's all good.
who cares what this tennis crowd feels?
they just wanna see a good tennis fight, is all.

 

[Gonzalito17]

Some players need to VENT. Well said by Greg R.

 

[Tabash]

Oh please... Novak is so textbook its not funny... Acts the fool with tassels on tots, or stupid afro on head while doing a dance, or post final at the usopen 2011 wearing a fire dept hat. The fdr hat took the cake, given no other discussions, as opposed to Nadal that mentioned 9-11 each match. Novak always looks to Fedal as to how to act, and generally fails to match them.

He is super gracious in loss, which he succeeds both his superiours in, but he is an inferior player otherwise, and that is what it is.

You've made your opinions clear.

 

[Inanimate_object]

Yes. It is not like these type of occurrences happen infrequently with Djokovic. He does these things in almost every match. If he starts missing shots and losing, he throws temper tantrums breaking rackets and swearing in Serbian to the spectators. It is completely obnoxious and classless IMO. I am not really sure why some people are trying to defend this type of behavior when it happens time and time again. It is a pattern just as Nadal's time-wasting is a pattern.

I love how offended people like you are getting. You need a grip on reality found outside the elite prim establishment of tennis. Truth is Djokovic didn't attack you personally or anyone for that matter, he was vocally venting frustration about himself. He didn't get violent with anyone, he didn't cause anyone psychological distress. His behaviour is no better or worse than anyone's - and certainly within the realm of acceptability for a competitive athlete with enormous pressure and a chip on his shoulder.

I get the feeling you are not as offended as you make, and are looking for an excuse to put down Djokovic. Either that or you are too soft. You want to see obnoxious? Look at Connors, McEnroe and young Agassi. Djokovic is human like them all - not a robotic zombie designed to be Iceman.

 

[vernonbc]

The excuses are getting more pitiful by the day. :roll:

He's already getting a fair number of code violations for his behaviour. If he was spewing his obscenities in English, he'd be getting point penalties and then game penalties and I'd love to hear what excuses you'd make for him for that.

 

[Carsomyr]

Yes, I can understand why he feels he should be appreciated/loved more especially after all his great achievements in recent years but at the end of the day he isn't(at least not on the same level as Fedal anyway) and that's just the way it is. Life is unfair and sadly we don't always get what we want but Djokovic should've realised this by now and instead of constantly fighting a losing battle he should just continue doing what he does best and block out all the negativity. I'm sure once he retires he'll be far more respected than he is now but until that happens, suck it up and get on with it!

I can only think about what it must be like for Djokovic. I don't pity him, per se, but really - it is the fans who obsess about historical hierarchies and things. When players get to be as good as Fedalovic, when the titles start blending together, the one thing I can imagine being most important is reception.

Federer (and to a slightly lesser extent, Nadal) is a goddamn international rock star wherever he goes. Having that kind of adoration is what keeps them going. It just must be frustrating for Djokovic to have a comparatively lukewarm reception compared to them, given all he's achieved, and all his current form promises to achieve.

He could win the CYGS, have GOAT praise lavished on him by reactionary analysts and pundits, and still not be as popular as Fedal. I think he knows this, and it annoys him to a level we can't understand.

 

[veroniquem]

The anger shows he cares, which is 1 sine qua non condition to big time winning. When one starts caring less, it is not a good sign. We've seen that happen more than once over the years.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Sorry if I was unclear about my intent. The first part was a response to your post (the part about the greek language). The rest was a response to the general discussion in this thread

I see, sorry, I overreacted...

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Smashovic needed to smash a few more rackets in the FO final.

 

[bullfan]

"If he lets it fester inside of him and doesn’t release the frustration then he can’t play that great tennis. He uses that anger, gets rid of it, then moves on."

http://www1.skysports.com/tennis/ne...anger-makes-him-a-champion-says-greg-rusedski

I guess Novak forgot to get angry enough during the FO final again! Woops, he has tried getting angry and not getting angry, and he loses at the FO either way.