Sara Errani ban increased

Mack-2

Professional
I’m not sure, but what she can do is use those 10 months off to work on her serve. Worst serve in the WTA at the moment. She’ll win a good bit more matches if she can fix that.

Unfortunate news though. I know I may be alone on this but I actually enjoyed her run to the Roland Garros finals in 2012.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
While I understand the reason for the ban, the fact that this article contains the phrase "An independent tribunal, appointed by the ITF, said there was no evidence it would enhance the performance of an elite tennis player" raises my eyebrows a little bit. If there is no evidence this drug can actually help a tennis player do better...why is it on the ban list? Sure in increases lean body mass BUT if there is no evidence it would actually do anything to benefit a Tennis player on court, it seems a little bit ridiculous for it to be on the list.
 

reaper

Legend
While I understand the reason for the ban, the fact that this article contains the phrase "An independent tribunal, appointed by the ITF, said there was no evidence it would enhance the performance of an elite tennis player" raises my eyebrows a little bit. If there is no evidence this drug can actually help a tennis player do better...why is it on the ban list? Sure in increases lean body mass BUT if there is no evidence it would actually do anything to benefit a Tennis player on court, it seems a little bit ridiculous for it to be on the list.

The list used by the International doping agency isn't drawn up for tennis. Presumably once something is on the schedule, it's banned for all sports?
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
The list used by the International doping agency isn't drawn up for tennis. Presumably once something is on the schedule, it's banned for all sports?

I agree. But this is why we have an appeals process. If the drug is on the list for all sports and she tests, it gets flagged and triggers the investigation. However if during the appeal it comes out the drug would have no benefit for a professional tennis player, it should be overturned. It makes me wonder if there is more to this than just this one drug because honestly this just seems weird to me
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I've seen breast cancer patients on letrozole and I can't imagine someone would take that stuff intentionally. It's like putting yourself into premature menopause if you are a woman. Hot flashes, mental fog, muscle aches, insomnia. Given it doesn't increase power, flexibility or fitness, I'm not sure why a tennis player would risk a ban for such a substance. It's like meldonium. The effects are minimal but the punishment severe, so why do it?
 
I've seen breast cancer patients on letrozole and I can't imagine someone would take that stuff intentionally. It's like putting yourself into premature menopause if you are a woman. Hot flashes, mental fog, muscle aches, insomnia. Given it doesn't increase power, flexibility or fitness, I'm not sure why a tennis player would risk a ban for such a substance. It's like meldonium. The effects are minimal but the punishment severe, so why do it?

What are the side effects of Meldonium?

:eek:
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
I've seen breast cancer patients on letrozole and I can't imagine someone would take that stuff intentionally. It's like putting yourself into premature menopause if you are a woman. Hot flashes, mental fog, muscle aches, insomnia. Given it doesn't increase power, flexibility or fitness, I'm not sure why a tennis player would risk a ban for such a substance. It's like meldonium. The effects are minimal but the punishment severe, so why do it?

The effects of Meldonium are not "minimal" lol. When I was on it I recovered faster than I thought humanly possible. Don't undersell how HUGE an advantage the Russians had (particularly in endurance sports like tennis) when they were all juicing for years and years and years before anyone caught on.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
They should ban her for an eternity for that horrible and weak tennis style she plays. I have no idea how she made it into the top ten at one point. I watched her in the final she played against Sharapova at the FO in 2012 and that was enough, for good!
 
All too often we hear of bans being reduced on appeal. Is the first time a ban has been increased on appeal? Wonder why are they so keen to go after Errani ?

Probably feel stupid after Maria got over a year for something she wouldn't have been banned for if she had lied.
 
While I understand the reason for the ban, the fact that this article contains the phrase "An independent tribunal, appointed by the ITF, said there was no evidence it would enhance the performance of an elite tennis player" raises my eyebrows a little bit. If there is no evidence this drug can actually help a tennis player do better...why is it on the ban list? Sure in increases lean body mass BUT if there is no evidence it would actually do anything to benefit a Tennis player on court, it seems a little bit ridiculous for it to be on the list.

There is no evidence Meldonium would benefit Sharapova-however it is irrelevant as everybody knows what is on the list & it is up to them to control what goes in their body. This was the lamest excuse going & the same one Shane Warne used in 2003. Of course there has been no moral outrage from the media, the other players etc over Errani while Sharapova was branded the devil, made to feel unwelcome on her return with a far longer ban & even had another player saying she had to beat her to save the sanctity of the sport-of course that player has shown zero interest in Errani.
 

Thriller

Hall of Fame
I agree. But this is why we have an appeals process. If the drug is on the list for all sports and she tests, it gets flagged and triggers the investigation. However if during the appeal it comes out the drug would have no benefit for a professional tennis player, it should be overturned. It makes me wonder if there is more to this than just this one drug because honestly this just seems weird to me

No. Drugs can also be used to mask the presence of other drugs so simply not being beneficial to the individual is not enough.

In any case the fundamental principal is that athletes should not be taking drugs to try to improve their performance, whether they work or not. It isn't ethical.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
The effects of Meldonium are not "minimal" lol. When I was on it I recovered faster than I thought humanly possible. Don't undersell how HUGE an advantage the Russians had (particularly in endurance sports like tennis) when they were all juicing for years and years and years before anyone caught on.

It was legal, hence not doping. Moreover, anyone could've taken it since it was legal, this it did not give unfair advantage. What then is a good reason to ban substances that are not harmful? Stuff like steroids or extra hormones can cause serious consequences, hence it must be banned so athletes don't have to hurt themselves to win, but this? May as well ban caffeine then, I read that was an actual proposition once.
 

Thriller

Hall of Fame
It was legal, hence not doping. Moreover, anyone could've taken it since it was legal, this it did not give unfair advantage. What then is a good reason to ban substances that are not harmful? Stuff like steroids or extra hormones can cause serious consequences, hence it must be banned so athletes don't have to hurt themselves to win, but this? May as well ban caffeine then, I read that was an actual proposition once.

It is a doping offence to take 'legal' drugs and not declare them on your doping control form. Sharapova should have received a 2 year ban for that alone on top of the 15 months she got for still abusing Meldonium after the amnesty.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
It is a doping offence to take 'legal' drugs and not declare them on your doping control form. Sharapova should have received a 2 year ban for that alone on top of the 15 months she got for still abusing Meldonium after the amnesty.

Not up to you decide, though. She served the official ban, anything else is just your opinion.
 
It was legal, hence not doping. Moreover, anyone could've taken it since it was legal, this it did not give unfair advantage. What then is a good reason to ban substances that are not harmful? Stuff like steroids or extra hormones can cause serious consequences, hence it must be banned so athletes don't have to hurt themselves to win, but this? May as well ban caffeine then, I read that was an actual proposition once.

It was banned until the early 2000's, as it is proven to enhance performance-since then athletes are free to consume it even thought it would have constituted a ban for many years prior to that. WADA just make it up as they go along in a blind panic, rather than actually looking at the evidence.

But as the tally of failed tests increases, critics are raising questions about its performance enhancing benefits and how WADA could ban the drug with what they say is relatively little scientific evidence. “There’s really no evidence that there’s any performance enhancement from meldonium. Zero,” said Don Catlin, a long-time anti-doping expert and the scientific director of the Banned Substances Control Group.

Catlin and others question whether meldonium meets the basic criteria to be considered for the list. It’s not that it doesn’t enhance performance, Catlin said, it’s that there’s not research to show that. “They have to try to show that it enhances performance, but by banning it they’ve already said it enhances performance and that will make people turn to it,” Catlin said. “You can find that it has effects, but it’s difficult to link those to performance enhancement,” said Catlin. “I’ve tried and tried to figure out why so many athletes seem to be taking it.”

For its part, Grindeks, the company that manufactures Mildronate, says it is not a performance-enhancing drug because it prevents the death of ischemic cells and does not increase performance of normal cells. In guidance issued after the drug was banned, the Finnish Anti-Doping Agency noted there is “little scientific evidence of meldonium being able to enhance athletic performance.”

But here lies the issue-WADA can do as they please based on nothing more than rumours & suspicion with zero oversight or comeback- WADA does not have to prove a substance’s performance enhancing effects, and athletes are not able to challenge a drug’s inclusion on the prohibited list.
 
If Gasquet can get away with his laughable excuse about inhaling cocaine through kissing a girl's lips, I'm sure they can be as lenient with Errani about the 'accidental' ingredients in her mother's pasta! ;)

Hope Myskina has not had any coke in her mouth.
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fed1

Professional
Errani is just the “sacrificial lamb” for the governing bodies so they can say “See we are testing and catching players”. Come on, do you watch the WTA Tour and think that Sara Errani is a ped user if so she got a bad batch. I’ve said it before the governing bodies of tennis don’t want to know who the real ped users are, it would be devastating for business.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The reality is that there is a new court of first instance in place and the ban they gave Errani was way out of line with precedent.

The ten month ban is entirely appropriate given that the full penalty for her non-intentional use infraction is two years.

For the same 'crime' Sharapova got fifteen months after initially getting two years, so ten months is commensurate.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Personally speaking, I would like to see bans reduced from two years to one for non-intentional use aka no intention to cheat.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Unfortunately for your account, the amount of cocaine in his system was so miniscule that it provided physical evidence for his story.

Errani had no such evidence and the mother concerned was a trained pharmacist!
If Gasquet can get away with his laughable excuse about inhaling cocaine through kissing a girl's lips, I'm sure they can be as lenient with Errani about the 'accidental' ingredients in her mother's pasta! ;)
 

Crisstti

Legend
I think WADA and the appeal court (can't remember name right now) always try to say that the player in question didn't intend to enhace their performance. They always try to deny intent. They even did so with Troicki. They're trying to protect the sport's image imo.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
To show an intention to cheat in legal terms is extremely difficult, so if intention is denied then two years is usually the maximum.

Errani has not had the book thrown at her. She had a paper plane thrown at her and CAS rightly decided to increase her ban in line with precedent.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
Errani is the type of player they'll throw the book at if possible...enough of a big name to make a point but no loss to the tour if they give her a long suspension.
They hammered Maria. She was the biggest draw in the sport( maybe). They hammered both of them because of PED use. One thing I think we all need to understand is we can't be naive about how many times these girls or guy have actually been caught.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's not a prescription drug so unless East Europe hands out powerful drugs on every street corner for a couple of dollars, I think we are safe to assume it's an inconsequntial drug.

It was and is actually used as some sort of cure-all tonic, and there is no real evidence of it having any medical benefit for the heart apart from drug company funded research.
You don't tire.

But it's supposed to be for diabetes and heart disease. Just imagine, thousands of teenage athletes in East Europe suffering from diabetes and heart disease !
 

EloQuent

Legend
Letting pova off for the meldonium with a "it didn't help but she should have been careful" is laughably naive imo. She took it for years - had to get it from the Baltics, neither her home country nor residence - and for no actual medical condition. If she does have a medical condition, what does she take for it now?

As to whether or not it helped her, I've read that it helps with recovery, I don't know. She isn't the same since suspension but that could be age/rust. But the point is intent: It's so very obvious that she took it to cheat.

I'm not sure what the case with Errani was. If her mother really has cancer then her story is believable.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
It's not a prescription drug so unless East Europe hands out powerful drugs on every street corner for a couple of dollars, I think we are safe to assume it's an inconsequntial drug.

It was and is actually used as some sort of cure-all tonic, and there is no real evidence of it having any medical benefit for the heart apart from drug company funded research.
Aah, I see.


Didn't know that.
 
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