"Serena Is Great (really great), but she isn't the greatest of all time" Chris Chase

Serena is great (really great), but she isn't the greatest of all time
By Chris Chase

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog...t=An59uAB0VKfAU1X2iQ7bHkQ4v7YF?urn=ten,255758

In a cover story for last week's issue of Sports Illustrated, L. Jon Wertheim contended that Serena Williams was the greatest tennis player of all time. His reasoning: Though Serena can't boast the Grand Slam titles of Court, Graf, Evert and Navratilova, her athleticism and serve make her the best who's ever played.

"Irreverent as it sounds, if you matched tennis's female legends head-to-head — all at their best, with identical equipment — Williams wouldn't just beat the others; she would crush them. Graf's scythelike slice backhand? Williams would bend her knees and tee off on it. Evert's consistency? Serena would simply overpower Chrissie. Navratilova's attacking game? Williams would whistle returns by the peerless serve-and-volleyer before she got to net. Plus, there has never been a player of Williams's mental toughness, a refusal to lose that kicks in even in emotional matches against Venus, her sister and best friend." L. Jon Wertheim

It's a compelling argument and one that's tough to debate. If Serena at her peak played Chris Evert at her peak, it'd be advantage Serena. (Though this point almost always tilts in favor of the modern athlete, who tend to be bigger, stronger and fitter than their historic counterparts. All eight men in the 100-meter final at the Beijing Olympics beat the time Jesse Owens won gold with in 1936, but it doesn't mean they were all better sprinters.) But is the G.O.A.T. designation based on talent alone?

Serena could have been the greatest ever but that was something that never seemed to motivate her thus far in her career. She misses long stretches of the tennis calendar because of dubious injuries (witness her recent foot ailment which may keep her out until the U.S. Open), at times seems more interested in hawking things on the Home Shopping Network and isn't a dominant force in non-Grand Slams. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Pursuing other interests and taking breaks from tennis could be part of the reason that Serena is able to dominate during the four events that matter. She knows that winning in Montreal doesn't mean nearly as much as winning in Flushing, so she sets her summer schedule to peak at the U.S. Open. The disinterest in July begets a passion for the game in September.

When she's on, Serena may be the best who ever played. Give me consistency and greatness though, like Martina winning 74 straight matches or Chrissie making the semifinals in her first 34 Grand Slams or Steffi winning the Golden Slam in '88. Greatness is about more than being dominant, it's about always striving to be that way.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not surprise there's columnists are out to reject Jon Wertheim's opinion. Another example of SI bias and let Jon published that stupid article.
 

Joe Pike

Banned
Serena is great (really great), but she isn't the greatest of all time
By Chris Chase

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog...t=An59uAB0VKfAU1X2iQ7bHkQ4v7YF?urn=ten,255758

In a cover story for last week's issue of Sports Illustrated, L. Jon Wertheim contended that Serena Williams was the greatest tennis player of all time. His reasoning: Though Serena can't boast the Grand Slam titles of Court, Graf, Evert and Navratilova, her athleticism and serve make her the best who's ever played.

"Irreverent as it sounds, if you matched tennis's female legends head-to-head — all at their best, with identical equipment — Williams wouldn't just beat the others; she would crush them. Graf's scythelike slice backhand? Williams would bend her knees and tee off on it. Evert's consistency? Serena would simply overpower Chrissie. Navratilova's attacking game? Williams would whistle returns by the peerless serve-and-volleyer before she got to net. Plus, there has never been a player of Williams's mental toughness, a refusal to lose that kicks in even in emotional matches against Venus, her sister and best friend." L. Jon Wertheim

It's a compelling argument and one that's tough to debate. If Serena at her peak played Chris Evert at her peak, it'd be advantage Serena. (Though this point almost always tilts in favor of the modern athlete, who tend to be bigger, stronger and fitter than their historic counterparts. All eight men in the 100-meter final at the Beijing Olympics beat the time Jesse Owens won gold with in 1936, but it doesn't mean they were all better sprinters.) But is the G.O.A.T. designation based on talent alone?

Serena could have been the greatest ever but that was something that never seemed to motivate her thus far in her career. She misses long stretches of the tennis calendar because of dubious injuries (witness her recent foot ailment which may keep her out until the U.S. Open), at times seems more interested in hawking things on the Home Shopping Network and isn't a dominant force in non-Grand Slams. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Pursuing other interests and taking breaks from tennis could be part of the reason that Serena is able to dominate during the four events that matter. She knows that winning in Montreal doesn't mean nearly as much as winning in Flushing, so she sets her summer schedule to peak at the U.S. Open. The disinterest in July begets a passion for the game in September.

When she's on, Serena may be the best who ever played. ...


But when was she ever on?

********** never can come up with 5 important matches when Serena really was "on".
 

Mick

Legend
That guy is an idiot. Prime Graf would crush Serena on any surface and double bagel her on clay.

serena is without doubt one of the all time greats but in today's game, she doesn't have to compete against anyone with graf-like ability.
 
serena is without doubt one of the all time greats but in today's game, she doesn't have to compete against anyone with graf-like ability.
Given this generations inability to produce a credible GOAT candidate speaks volumes of the failure of "Big Babe Tennis". Error-prone, injury-prone divas who cannot play day-in, day-out because they themselves cannot keep-up with the "new" brand of tennis their generation brought to tennis history.

Mother Majorie will say it. This generation of women's tennis has contributed far less to the progression of women's tennis than past generations. The last ten years have been a very dark period in the history of women's tennis. Its going to take a younger version of Chris Evert to bring it back.
 

Grass_for_cows

Semi-Pro
Given this generations inability to produce a credible GOAT candidate speaks volumes of the failure of "Big Babe Tennis". Error-prone, injury-prone divas who cannot play day-in, day-out because they themselves cannot keep-up with the "new" brand of tennis their generation brought to tennis history.

Mother Majorie will say it. This generation of women's tennis has contributed far less to the progression of women's tennis than past generations. The last ten years have been a very dark period in the history of women's tennis. Its going to take a younger version of Chris Evert to bring it back.

Would this younger version of Evert have a credible overhead or a serve?
 
Would this younger version of Evert have a credible overhead or a serve?
Mother Marjorie laughed out loud when she read this.

The new, younger version of Evert would have a fierce competitiveness, consistency, wide-ranging appeal and a steely ground game that will bring tennis fans back to the sport, who left after the '70's and '80's.

When Chris Evert retired, people wept and begged her to keep playing. Graf's emergence as a dominant champion in 1988 was a gift from sweet baby Jesus to the sport on the heels of Evert's retirement in 1989.
 

Grass_for_cows

Semi-Pro
Mother Marjorie laughed out loud when she read this.

The new, younger version of Evert would have a fierce competitiveness, consistency, wide-ranging appeal and a steely ground game that will bring tennis fans back to the sport, who left after the '70's and '80's.

When Chris Evert retired, people wept and begged her to keep playing. Graf's emergence as a dominant champion in 1988 was a gift from sweet baby Jesus to the sport on the heels of Evert's retirement in 1989.


I guess it's too much to ask for a serve and an overhead from this new Evert sent by baby Jesus. Not that she will need a serve, since she will pound her opponents into the ground with her wide-ranging appeal.
 

Ripper014

Hall of Fame
I guess it's too much to ask for a serve and an overhead from this new Evert sent by baby Jesus. Not that she will need a serve, since she will pound her opponents into the ground with her wide-ranging appeal.

Maybe not... but a great return of serve is a great equalizer to a big server. Connors and Evert are probably the best examples of that... both were at the top of their sports for an extended length of time with average serves (and that might be a kind statement).
 
Mother Marjorie imagines a new and improved Chris America, sent by sweet baby Jesus will save the WTA from itself. She will win a huge majority of her matches with more winners than unforced errors, have an all-court game and bring us out this broken generation of broken champions.

Save the drama queens, what we need is a real champion.

Amen.

Mother Marjorie
 

Grass_for_cows

Semi-Pro
Mother Marjorie imagines a new and improved Chris America, sent by sweet baby Jesus will save the WTA from itself. She will win a huge majority of her matches with more winners than unforced errors, have an all-court game and bring us out this broken generation of broken champions.

Save the drama queens, what we need is a real champion.

Amen.

Mother Marjorie

I guess it's not enough that an American woman is already the top player on the WTA, has won a lot of majors, plays what is a relatively exciting all-court game?
 
I guess it's not enough that an American woman is already the top player on the WTA, has won a lot of majors, plays what is a relatively exciting all-court game?
Hello!

Mother Marjorie will not succumb to lowered expectations and excuses that others might give potential GOAT candidates. No, she will not.

First, they tried to excuse the Big Babe unforced errors by saying, "its because they hit harder."

Secondly, they tried to excuse the excessive injuries caused by Big Babe tennis by saying, "..,its because the game is much more physically demanding."

Thirdly, they tried to excuse the lengthy absenteeism created by injuries and Big Babe tennis by saying, "...its good because they'll stay in the sport longer."

And then they began whining that they play too many tournaments and blamed that for their injuries when all the other excuses were used up. Oh, yes, they are all used up now.

Then, L. Jon Wertheim attempts to say that a woman who has only won 37 tour events (13 of them being majors) deserves the designation of "best ever" because she can hit harder than her predecessors. Enough of the lowered expectations from this generation! L. Jon Wertheim not only drank the Kool-Aid, but he attempted to hand it out to the masses (re: Jim Jones, Jonestown). But there are those who damn well know better and choose not to embrace his lowered-expectations of the sport.

This generation of WTA professionals has not produced a viable GOAT candidate. Its only the second generation in the history of tennis which has that designation, which supports it as being one of the weakest, if not the weakest generation in tennis history.

Sure, they hit much harder these days, but they can't keep the ball between the lines, much less play enough tour events to ever attain GOAT status? Is that progress? Heck no, it isn't. Women's tennis has taken several steps backward in this regard. Enough so that this generation cannot even field a viable GOAT candidate.

Mother Marjorie doesn't care what country you are from when cheering for GOAT status, or where the player is from, but don't attempt to shove lowered expectations of a GOAT candidate down neck of her racquet and expect the excuses to be "okay." Because guess what? It's not okay. No, it isn't.

Mother Marjorie has forgiven Chris America for dating Burt Reynolds and Geraldo Rivera. And while she wouldn't have sent Chris America a muffin basket for her choices in men, she applauds Chris' astute professionalism and attempts at becoming the greatest tennis player to have ever played. Players like her, Steffi, Martina N., Margaret, Maureen, Helen Wills left it all on the tennis court. And that's what gets Mother Marjorie's respect.

Those of you who remember this song (link below) as being a pop hit in the 1970's (#4 for 13 weeks), know exactly what Mother Marjorie is talking about. Mother Marjorie remembers it being on the radio when Chris America was rising. It was an omen, oh, yes it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGpnkPqjudM

Bad To The Bone (B-b-b-b-b-b-a-d),

Mother Marjorie Ann (Don't EVEN get me started)
 
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