heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm shocked by how much time it actually feels like.
Shot clock observation
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jm1980
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It's not an opinion, but an easily verifiable fact
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-some-tennis-matches-take-forever/
clayqueen
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Bogus stats.It's not an opinion, but an easily verifiable fact
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-some-tennis-matches-take-forever/
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
Rafa gets angry when he gets time violations and plays better. Rafa fans should be applauding the use of the shot clock. More angry Rafa as he is bound to break 25 seconds between serves.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
The stats only confirm what everyone with functioning eyes can see
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
They are not official stats. The way some people go on anyone would think Rafa took an average of 38 seconds between serves.
jm1980
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fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
We have official stats from IBM at Wimbledon this year showing that Nadal and Djokovic were averaging over 30 seconds between points. Let me go pull up the page.
This was a "Key to the Match" for Nadal, "Take longer than 34.875000 seconds between points." Each set of the match he was averaging over that mark.
http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/stats/1602.html
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538 is bogus? That's an insult to Nate Silver, and to the dude who wrote that article.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/contributors/carl-bialik/
Lead writer for news at 538 and former writer for the Wall Street journal, and you dismiss his journalism as bogus because it goes against your biases? You're pathetic.
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GandalfofTennis
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I am appalled by your blissful ignorance. Nate Silver is considered the foremost statistician in the statistics and political communities and covers a variety of topics with his famous mathematical models, including sports, politics, and music.
For a bit of context, this man with "bogus stats" correctly predicted the electoral results for every state (and the District of Columbia) in the 2012 Election, as well as 96% of primary races in 2012. In comparison, the reputable Rasmussen Reports missed 6 of its 9 swing-state predictions, and other poll-predictors were similarly unsuccessful. As someone who actually studies statistics and has multiple relatives who are professors and researchers in statistics and mathematics, your comment is shameful. If someone can predict with that level of accuracy, I'm certain that he can do relatively simple calculations like average times.
It's important to recognize that not all facts that disagree with your perception are incorrect. Sure, you may disagree with the shot clock (that is your opinion), but these are proven facts by an immensely respected analyst and statistician whose credentials are nearly unmatched. IBM (no introduction needed, see Watson) also has match data that confirms these numbers. Although our current era may suggest that saying "fake news" is acceptable in deflecting inconvenient facts, I implore you to understand that not everything that disagrees with you is false.
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Deleted member 754093
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It's a horrible trend in the world. I hope to god it dies out soon
GandalfofTennis
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This is very true. When even the statistics and work of Nate Silver and 538 can be dismissed, something has gone terribly wrong.
Tennis_Hands
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Guys, the poster you are responding to stated some time ago that Agassi and Connors never won Major on clay (it wasn't a joke too).
Do you think it is worth it to "discuss" with clayqueen?
Do you think it is worth it to "discuss" with clayqueen?
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
The information on which the stats are based is false because only the umpire knows when the clock starts.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
People know the rules and can time according to them in order to check whether rules are followed.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
That is not true.
The old rules were clear about when the time starts to run.
Anyone could have measured the time, given that he wanted and had an accurate measuring device at hand.
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Deleted member 754093
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They measured it using a consistent methodology for each player. If anything, it is more fair and accurate. Try again
junior74
Talk Tennis Guru
Lahyani showed the way last night; told the score 2-3 seconds after the point is over and starts the clock in the same moment. The match was played at a very comfy pace, no problemo. But the umpires who wait for the last clap to silence before announcing the score, really slows things down in a manner which hurts tennis for the viewers and makes it unnaturally slow for no reason.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Just enjoy the tennis. Stop fretting about a few seconds here and there, life is too short.
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