Shot clock observation

[octobrina10]

You implied his complaints, regardless of when they started, as the reason for the shot clock. They are not, as it would've been in place long before 2018.

I replied to this post:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/shot-clock-observation.623442/#post-12578103

 

[octobrina10]

Him and every other reasonable human being the last ten years.

Hmm. I haven't seen/heard any reasonable human being complaining.

 

[True Fanerer]

Hmm. I haven't seen/heard any reasonable human being complaining.

Take off the shades and ear plugs.

 

[Matterhorn]

I replied to this post:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/shot-clock-observation.623442/#post-12578103

You mentioned Federer when you shouldn't have. He wanted the rule enforced. He did not want a shot clock.

Take off the shades and ear plugs.

Going around in circles. Getting off.

 

[Antonio Puente]

i told you mooks months and months ago that the time does not start until the umpire calls the score!

of course the normal Nadal haters shouted that it started right after the point was won or lost, which was ignorant to say!

now it looks like more time will be available when needed!

thats what you get!

Watching the Washington final. The shot clock is nothing. You have all the time you want.

 

[Mustard]

The time rule is a stupid rule anyway. Only used by anti-Nadal fanatics as a stick to beat him with over the years.

 

[octobrina10]

You mentioned Federer when you shouldn't have. He wanted the rule enforced. He did not want a shot clock.



Going around in circles. Getting off.

The poster I replied to said: "The reality is that officialdom got spooked by TV networks complaining that long matches with long periods where nothing happens is bad television."
I replied that it was Fed who started the fuss about the time between points.

 

[octobrina10]

Take off the shades and ear plugs.

I see & hear only Fed devotees whining.

 

[EdbergLetUs]

Time rule is indeed stupid. Also, let's not forget the net rule, it should be doubled in height. And clay is soft for the knees, the whole tour should be clay only. Finally, they should have protected rankings for injured players. The whole ATP is bogus as is.

 

[Mustard]

The poster I replied to said: "The reality is that officialdom got spooked by TV networks complaining that long matches with long periods where nothing happens is bad television."
I replied that it was Fed who started the fuss about the time between points.

Is that the 2006 Monte Carlo interview when Federer said of Nadal "He takes his 20 seconds, 25 seconds, or whatever"? Oh, the whinging from some Federer fans when Nadal got the trainer out to tape his fingers before the match began (with the umpire not giving it a MTO), Federer then making such a dreadful start in the final (going 0-4 down in the first set), and later on when Nadal served for a 2-set lead, got broken, lost the second set to Federer in a tiebreak, then got broken in the first game of the third set with Federer on top in terms of momentum, and then Nadal took an injury time out for more taping on his fingers. Of course, Federer then got broken in the next game, but the whingers focused on the injury time out instead of Federer blowing a lead in that service game.

The hate against Nadal at the time was intense in some quarters. It was like "Who does this guy Nadal think he is?"

 

[Bartelby]

Too right! Players should be able to write another chapter of their autobiography before serving, While drinking a product placement like Starbucks.

The time rule is a stupid rule anyway. Only used by anti-Nadal fanatics as a stick to beat him with over the years.

 

[BringBackWood]

They tried this a few times in the 80s. The clock would start as soon as the point was dead. Mac and Lendl weren't too crazy about this as you may guess. Mac yelled at the umpire for starting the clock before a ball had bounced twice several times in a match at 85 RG.

But yeah I suspect the average match time will increase rather than decrease with this new shot clock.

Didn't know they had used it before. The only rule that makes sense is after the ball bounces twice the clock starts. If player finishes at net, few seconds discretion but that's it. Taking it out of the umpires judgement is required now.

 

[clayqueen]

You implied his complaints, regardless of when they started, as the reason for the shot clock. They are not, as it would've been in place long before 2018.

Fed instigated the shot clock after the 2012 AO Final bwtween Nadal & Djokovic which took nearly 6 hrs of gripping tenis.

 

[Deon Sanders]

All that has changed is instead of Ned himself cheating on every point it will be the chair aiding him passed the rules

His career remains with an asterisk, but for another devious reason

 

[Bartelby]

Shapovalov was using the shot clock to slow himself down!

 

[octobrina10]

All that has changed is instead of Ned himself cheating on every point it will be the chair aiding him passed the rules

His career remains with an asterisk, but for another devious reason

Fed devotees keep cheating readers in every post.

 

[octobrina10]

Shapovalov was using the shot clock to slow himself down!

And the result:
¤¤ Shapovalov was beaten in straight sets by Japan’s Kei Nishikori 7-6(1) 6-3...He clearly struggled for rhythm, making just 43 per cent of his first-serves in the first set along with three double-faults....He added three more double-faults to his tally in the second set...¤¤

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

I can’t wait to see Rafa hardly ever getting a TV penalty with the shot clock. What will they do next? Ban water bottles? Insist that all water bottles should be put in their bags?

LOL

 

[Bartelby]

This must be the first recorded use of 'the shot clock excuse'.

And the result:
¤¤ Shapovalov was beaten in straight sets by Japan’s Kei Nishikori 7-6(1) 6-3...He clearly struggled for rhythm, making just 43 per cent of his first-serves in the first set along with three double-faults....He added three more double-faults to his tally in the second set...¤¤

 

[Tennis_Hands]

He doesn't waste mine.

Let's put this under scrutiny.

So, what exactly are you getting for the additional seconds of various totally irrelevant to Nadal's own game rituals?

 

[Deleted member 754093]

If nothing else, it provides an objective way to give out time violations. No more of this arbitrary ******** that frustrates the players at certain moments in the match. Nadal fans should be happy that it's used, because it will eliminate those arguments and claims of umpire bias

 

[Bartelby]

It even legislates for how long you can take to get to the net before the game, so you can see quite explicitly how it is Nadal's time-wasting that has mainly provoked these changes.

The reality is that the players are the source of the problem, not umpires. The umpires are the people players blame when things don't go their way. As when they look in horror when they are finally penalised for time-wasting!

If nothing else, it provides an objective way to give out time violations. No more of this arbitrary ******** that frustrates the players at certain moments in the match. Nadal fans should be happy that it's used, because it will eliminate those arguments and claims of umpire bias

 

[Bartelby]

A fan would undoubtedly enjoy Nadal's game rituals. The camera does linger lovingly on his ass as he does his pre-serve tug. There's a lot of swooning there!

Let's put this under scrutiny.

So, what exactly are you getting for the additional seconds of various totally irrelevant to Nadal's own game rituals?

 

[moonballs]

He doesn't waste mine.

I already have the perfect solution to everyone’s problem: for the Tennis fans let’s enforce the time rule; for the Rafa washipers, let’s make a five hour video containing entirely of his in-between-point actions, including the fist pumps, toweling off, getting balls from two ball kids, the serve rituals ... etc. Then everyone is happy.

 

[octobrina10]

This must be the first recorded use of 'the shot clock excuse'.

Yep, Shapo is a sore loser.

 

[octobrina10]

A fan would undoubtedly enjoy Nadal's game rituals. The camera does linger lovingly on his ass as he does his pre-serve tug. There's a lot of swooning there!

Your post proves yet again that you can't take your eyes off Rafa's ass, Fed devotee!

 

[octobrina10]

I already have the perfect solution to everyone’s problem: for the Tennis fans let’s enforce the time rule; for the Rafa washipers, let’s make a five hour video containing entirely of his in-between-point actions, including the fist pumps, toweling off, getting balls from two ball kids, the serve rituals ... etc. Then everyone is happy.

Fed devotee, I have perfect solution to your problem: skip Rafa's matches.
BTW, I have always wondered why Fed devotees are embarrassed of calling themselves his fans. Instead, they call themselves 'the Tennis fans'.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

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[Sudacafan]

The shot or serve clock is just a mild sort of extra pressure on players to stay within the limits and an external legitimation of an umpire's decision to penalise when necessary.

It's a bit of a 'fake change' and that's probably to the good.

Interested players may find a way to disrupt the serve clock purpose.

 

[moonballs]

Fed devotee, I have perfect solution to your problem: skip Rafa's matches.
BTW, I have always wondered why Fed devotees are embarrassed of calling themselves his fans. Instead, they call themselves 'the Tennis fans'.

Huh? Who is embarrassed to call themselves Fed fans? Certainly not me otherwise I would have a different avatar, wouldn’t I?

You are not smart or objective enough to have a conversation. Who is talking to you anyways?

 

[Bartelby]

I enjoy looking at all those noses up it!

Your post proves yet again that you can't take your eyes off Rafa's ass, Fed devotee!

 

[Bartelby]

Nadal will be blaming the shot clock for something soon enough.

Yep, Shapo is a sore loser.

 

[Bartelby]

It will be interesting to see who tries to game the system.

You only have to encourage the crowd to start roaring to gain yourself another thirty seconds.

Do something funny will get you some more time or complain about some imaginary disturbance in the crowd. It's endless really.

Interested players may find a way to disrupt the serve clock purpose.

 

[justasport]

this whole shot clock thing does nothing for me...I just don't get what all the hype is...the best players are still going to win the biggest events regardless of the clock

 

[Bartelby]

It's not about who wins. It is about speeding up play. Slow play equals boredom. It's also unsportmanlike.

this whole shot clock thing does nothing for me...I just don't get what all the hype is...the best players are still going to win the biggest events regardless of the clock

 

[justasport]

It's not about who wins. It is about speeding up play. Slow play equals boredom. It's also unsportmanlike.

It's not about who wins. It is about speeding up play. Slow play equals boredom. It's also unsportmanlike.

I understand that, but the chair umpire is getting paid to make sure the players abide by the rules and play at a pace that is fair for everyone involved including tv and fans...the clock in my opinion is going to solve nothing because you and I both know these chair umpires are pansies, and will make sure they don't start the clock until 10 seconds after the point is over to make sure they don't have to give the players a warning...so, come on mate you and I both know this clock is for entertainment...I sure as hell hope you are right and I am wrong, but I have my doubts...I do agree with you though...cheers mate

 

[steamed]

Is Nadal the only one being targeted?

Also, who are the players who took longest prior to the clock?

 

[Bartelby]

Chair umpires aren't judicial officers, so they are not pansies. They simply lack independence.

I don't think the clock solves much because the time it is counting down is rarely the precise source of the problem.

I understand that, but the chair umpire is getting paid to make sure the players abide by the rules and play at a pace that is fair for everyone involved including tv and fans...the clock in my opinion is going to solve nothing because you and I both know these chair umpires are pansies, and will make sure they don't start the clock until 10 seconds after the point is over to make sure they don't have to give the players a warning...so, come on mate you and I both know this clock is for entertainment...I sure as hell hope you are right and I am wrong, but I have my doubts...I do agree with you though...cheers mate

 

[Deleted member 754093]

It even legislates for how long you can take to get to the net before the game, so you can see quite explicitly how it is Nadal's time-wasting that has mainly provoked these changes.

The reality is that the players are the source of the problem, not umpires. The umpires are the people players blame when things don't go their way. As when they look in horror when they are finally penalised for time-wasting!

Yeah, and the use of the clock will avoid that, so everyone should be in favor

 

[Bartelby]

The shot clock will have an effect, but how much or how little is an open question.

The framing of the rule change legalises a very generous time allowance in exchange for a ticking clock, so they are not being exactly being harshly dealt with.

 

[Gary Duane]

The shot clock will have an effect, but how much or how little is an open question.

The framing of the rule change legalises a very generous time allowance in exchange for a ticking clock, so they are not being exactly being harshly dealt with.

Yes. Time to wait and see.

I don't think it can be any worse. It's going to be harder for the usual suspects to cry foul.

 

[octobrina10]

Huh? Who is embarrassed to call themselves Fed fans? Certainly not me otherwise I would have a different avatar, wouldn’t I?

You are not smart or objective enough to have a conversation. Who is talking to you anyways?

Hmm. I wonder who you are talking to (in your message quoted) ?

 

[clayqueen]

You implied his complaints, regardless of when they started, as the reason for the shot clock. They are not, as it would've been in place long before 2018.

They stopped enforcing the time limit between points for decades but Fed complained relentlessly and in 2012 when he was the president of the players council he instigated the enforcement of the rule.

 

[clayqueen]

You mentioned Federer when you shouldn't have. He wanted the rule enforced. He did not want a shot clock.



Going around in circles. Getting off.

So why did Fed not want a shot clock? Is it because he is not really interested in the actual time taken between points but the imaginary time taken by Rafa?

 

[junior74]

So why did Fed not want a shot clock? Is it because he is not really interested in the actual time taken between points but the imaginary time taken by Rafa?

This is only imaginary?

 

[clayqueen]

“For myself it’s not going to be easy”
says 20th ranked Kei Nishikori, the 2014 US Open runner-up.

"I'm not going to have time to think much about where to put my serve between the points and with the heat it's going to be a little bit tougher I think.

"There are many different players. Some like to play quick. Some guys like to take a lot of time between points. It might be good for fans if they want to see more points and quicker points. I don't know if it's good for players."

Players should be allowed to play at their own pace. It’s an individual sport. They are giving the players with a quick pace the advantage.

 

[Bartelby]

Players could be allowed a couch by the service line so they could have a little kip if things get a bit too quick.

Players should be allowed to play at their own pace. It’s an individual sport. They are giving the players with a quick pace the advantage.

 

[clayqueen]

This is only imaginary?

And your point is?

If you really want to time players, why object to using a shot clock?

 

[Bartelby]

The new shot clock looks very suspicious:

 

[Tennis_Hands]

It will be interesting to see how the tennis authorities react, if the whole tour suddenly starts to play 3.5 hour 3 setters and that interferes with the plans of the broadcasters.