Soderling: Best clay performance in history.
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Jonny S&V
Hall of Fame
Not far at all, no matter what level Nadal was playing, Soderling wasn't going to lose that day in my opinion.
The Baseline
Professional
just look at how he played in the 1st 2rounds this years tournament. when i saw him play i said to myself no one will beat him this tournament. i saw complete dominance in the first 2 rounds, it was really a high level of tennis
aphex
Banned
Jonny S&V
Hall of Fame
I don't know how this applies to this arguement, but I'll go with it. Are you watching his match with Almagro right now? If you were/are, I wouldn't be posting this statement.
The Baseline
Professional
im talking about robin soderling. i think soderling will win the 2010 frenche open . hes that dominant right now
Jonny S&V
Hall of Fame
Oh, ok, I'm really sorry, thought you were talking about Nadal (and on some sort of narcotic). My bad.
cknobman
Legend
Oh, ok, I'm really sorry, thought you were talking about Nadal (and on some sort of narcotic). My bad.
LMAO!!!!!!
mcenroefan
Hall of Fame
It was an unbelievable performance....I don't think anyone could have beaten him with that form.
Reminds me a bit of Safin's performance when he destroyed Sampras at the US Open...just jaw dropping stuff.
Of course, the latter occurred in a GS final and we will need to see if Sods can make it to the final and, if so, raise his game to that level again.
Reminds me a bit of Safin's performance when he destroyed Sampras at the US Open...just jaw dropping stuff.
Of course, the latter occurred in a GS final and we will need to see if Sods can make it to the final and, if so, raise his game to that level again.
Not so fast. Still Soderling is only a dangerman, not a real winner. There were some really great performances of clay in modern times, like the Nadal final win at RG in 2008, or Kuertens wins over Ferrero. Kuerten was called Picasso by Kafelnikov. Fedrer is a step slower now, than a couple of years ago. You could note that in his USO match with Delpo, now again. Earlier in his career, Federer with a better movement and anticipation, was able to handle the power of a big man and turn it against the aggressor.
aphex
Banned
nobody talked about "winner" or "champion" etc..we're talking about this single performance.
Cassius Clay
Banned
Cassius Clay
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Li Ching Yuen
Legend
I agree. He was ridiculous.
I was like: "OH COME ONE, how many times can you hit that??..he was like a machine"
Gotta love it.
I was like: "OH COME ONE, how many times can you hit that??..he was like a machine"
Gotta love it.
mcenroefan
Hall of Fame
I was just thinking about Hoad today in the context of all of the GOAT discussions. I had heard that story about him....that he peaked even higher than Laver.
P_Agony
Banned
Nadal's FO 08 clay performence is the best I've ever seen.
McEnroe said Soderling was hitting the hardest ground strokes in the history of tennis. Pretty high praise.
Stop with the qualifying baloney. Nadal looked fine physically vs Soderling last year and looked fine whipping Hewitt the previous rd. He got wiped, deal with it.
Yeah yeah keep believing it.
Fact is Fed was lucky that Nadal was injured last year. I would say that is the singlemost lucky event in his life.
JT_2eighty
Hall of Fame
Soderling wins FO 2010 over Nadal in 4 sets.
My money where my mouth is. Takers?
My money where my mouth is. Takers?
Pink_Shirt
Rookie
2008 French Open Final, just a absolute beat down.
P_Agony
Banned
It was the whole event, not just the final. Nadal was just leagues above the rest in this tourney, it was downright scary,
I gotto agree with this!!
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decades
Guest
Orantes demolition of Connors at Forest Hills.
No, Federer was lucky Nadal was given a beat down by Soderling or you're right he never would have won it.
downdaline
Professional
Nope. It was awesome performance by Soderling, no doubt. One of the best performances ever, but not the best clay performance.
Best clay performance would be that person playing the perfect game while utilizing the properties of a clay court to perfection.
Best example: Borg '78 (as above) and in recent memory Nadal FO 2008.
Best clay performance would be that person playing the perfect game while utilizing the properties of a clay court to perfection.
Best example: Borg '78 (as above) and in recent memory Nadal FO 2008.
Rd 1 Borg d. Deblicker 6-1,6-1,6-1
Rd 2 Borg d. ***el 6-0,6-1,6-0
Rd 3 Borg d. Bertolucci 6-0,6-2,6-2
Rd 4 Borg d. Tanner 6-2,6-4,7-6
Qtr Borg d. Ramirez 6-3,6-0,6-0
SF Borg d. Barazzutti 6-0,6-1,6-0
F Borg d. Vilas 6-1,6-1,6-3
aphex
Banned
because an opponent wasn't there. at least mentally.
it was federer's worst match in history.
on the other hand, against Soderling, he was playing damn good...
gold soundz
Professional
I disagree. Nadal was just playing the best match of his life and Federer was trying. There was just nothing he could do about it.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
namelessone
Legend
Best performances in clay history,whether in the whole tournament or individual matches belong to Nadal and Borg. I don't have to say which year cause CC fans know them by now.
About RG 08' final: Fed simply implemented bad tactics,that's all and lost heart after a set and a half. He actually S&V'ed on some points and tried to attack all the time instead of waiting for the right time to strike. The result: a passing shot marathon by Nadal. This would have been bad tactics against a 2005 Rafa,who was way more one-dimensional,but it was suicidal against peak Rafa in 08'. Hence the very definitive scoreline.
About RG 08' final: Fed simply implemented bad tactics,that's all and lost heart after a set and a half. He actually S&V'ed on some points and tried to attack all the time instead of waiting for the right time to strike. The result: a passing shot marathon by Nadal. This would have been bad tactics against a 2005 Rafa,who was way more one-dimensional,but it was suicidal against peak Rafa in 08'. Hence the very definitive scoreline.
I don't think it is meaningful to talk about "best peak levels". This is just nonsense that people use to attempt to elevate lower ranked players (either in the rankings or in history) above better players.
That said, Soderling has played exceptionally well.
I hope he gets to the finals and beats Nadal -- who has been handed a joke draw, btw, where are the *******s complaining? Conspiracy. ;-)
See, the funny thing is, they refuse to admit that Soderling playing well is a bad matchup for Nadal. Nadal's best weapon -- his top-class topspin -- is neutralized. They refuse to admit that Soderling actually played outstanding tennis last year, and want to knock it all down to Nadal's injuries. Nadal seemed fine vs. Hewitt the prior round, and while I would readily agree that as Nadal is either the best or 2nd-best ever on clay, his peak level would be too much for anyone there, Nadal didn't play horribly vs. Soderling last year. Soderling just played great.
But if Nadal wins the FO, using the same logic that Nadal-****s have used to discredit Federer, I guess it isn't that big of an accomplishment. We should put an asterisk next to it. After all, he had a joke draw (look at his SF opponent, who?), and Soderling isn't that good of a player.
That said, Soderling has played exceptionally well.
I hope he gets to the finals and beats Nadal -- who has been handed a joke draw, btw, where are the *******s complaining? Conspiracy. ;-)
See, the funny thing is, they refuse to admit that Soderling playing well is a bad matchup for Nadal. Nadal's best weapon -- his top-class topspin -- is neutralized. They refuse to admit that Soderling actually played outstanding tennis last year, and want to knock it all down to Nadal's injuries. Nadal seemed fine vs. Hewitt the prior round, and while I would readily agree that as Nadal is either the best or 2nd-best ever on clay, his peak level would be too much for anyone there, Nadal didn't play horribly vs. Soderling last year. Soderling just played great.
But if Nadal wins the FO, using the same logic that Nadal-****s have used to discredit Federer, I guess it isn't that big of an accomplishment. We should put an asterisk next to it. After all, he had a joke draw (look at his SF opponent, who?), and Soderling isn't that good of a player.
aphex
Banned
zagor
Bionic Poster
Maybe,or maybe illusions that a healthy Nadal crushes Soderling will fade away instead,maybe we'll find out.
aphex
Banned
Are you kidding me? So Nadal beat federer 2 years ago 6-1 6-3 6-0 and Soderling beating federer in 4 tight sets is a better performance?How come?. Oh yes, you would say that federer is playing way better this year, which is untrue. He might be playing a bit better, but the conditions helped Soderling a lot. Don´t get me wrong, Sod played incredibly, but the conditions made his bombing style more effective. It was a serve festival, not the best performance on clay ever. That´s disrespectful towards Kuerten and Nadal
zagor
Bionic Poster
you should add Sod to your sig
lol you should say 10 Sods instead of 10 chars from now on
abmk
Bionic Poster
fed played a bit better, bit better ????
ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously, fed played CR*P in FO 2008 F ( nadal played BRILLIANT, no doubt ) , he played pretty well against sod ...no comparision whatsoever, the difference in performance level should be expressed in light years !
Rhino
Legend
That is the best route to a slam title I can think of...
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