Suggestion for the Shot Clock...

[blablavla]

I mean there's a big problem if we're admitting Rafa for example would have won almost no slams if he were enforced consistently by the rule. That would mean the only thing stopping a player from becoming an ATG is a few extra seconds rest. That's basically an admission that the ATP are hindering players from becoming 10x better. Just lol

OK, let's look at it from a different angle.

Top guys win approx. 52-54% of all points they play.
with 52% being approx. good enough to be top 10 and 54% - top 3/4
Just another evidence how slim the margins are in this game.

By failing to properly enforce the time between points rule, one could as well argue that some guys receive unfair edge over the rest, as if ATP + ITF would enforce the rule, the % of points won by Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and other players that rather benefit of rallies going past 20 shots would go down.
So, we could say that this failure resulted in these guys winning points, matches and tournaments that they wouldn't have won if the rule was consistently and equally applied to all.
This sounds a bit like the performance enhacers now, no? but it is widely accepted that getting an edge because of PED is not in line with the values promoted by sport and such athletes are disqualified.

 

[dominikk1985]

Have someone Start the clock two seconds after the second bounce of the ball.

 

[LETitBE]

29. CONTINUOUS PLAY As a principle, play should be continuous, from the time the match starts (when the first service of the match is put in play) until the match finishes. a. Between points, a maximum of twenty (20) seconds is allowed. When the players change ends at the end of a game, a maximum of ninety (90) seconds are allowed. However, after the first game of each set and during a tie-break game, play shall be continuous and the players shall change ends without a rest. At the end of each set there shall be a set break of a maximum of one hundred and twenty (120) seconds. The maximum time starts from the moment that one point finishes until the first service is struck for the next point. Event organisers may apply for ITF approval to extend the ninety (90) seconds allowed when the players change ends at the end of a game and the one hundred and twenty (120) seconds allowed at a set break. b. If, for reasons outside the player’s control, clothing, footwear or necessary equipment (excluding the racket) is broken or needs to be replaced, the player may be allowed reasonable extra time to rectify the problem. c. No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition. However, a player suffering from a treatable medical condition may be allowed one medical time-out of three minutes for the treatment of that medical condition. A limited number of toilet/change of attire breaks may also be allowed, if this is announced in advance of the event. d. Event organisers may allow a rest period of a maximum of ten (10) minutes if this is announced in advance of the event. This rest period can be taken after the 3rd set in a best of 5 sets match, or after the 2nd set in a best of 3 sets match. e. The warm-up time shall be a maximum of five (5) minutes, unless otherwise decided by the event organisers. 30. COACHING Coaching is considered to be communication, advice or instruction of any kind an


these are the rules according to the ITF site yet the tournaments seem to enforce a completely different set of rules

 

[blablavla]

29. CONTINUOUS PLAY As a principle, play should be continuous, from the time the match starts (when the first service of the match is put in play) until the match finishes. a. Between points, a maximum of twenty (20) seconds is allowed. When the players change ends at the end of a game, a maximum of ninety (90) seconds are allowed. However, after the first game of each set and during a tie-break game, play shall be continuous and the players shall change ends without a rest. At the end of each set there shall be a set break of a maximum of one hundred and twenty (120) seconds. The maximum time starts from the moment that one point finishes until the first service is struck for the next point. Event organisers may apply for ITF approval to extend the ninety (90) seconds allowed when the players change ends at the end of a game and the one hundred and twenty (120) seconds allowed at a set break. b. If, for reasons outside the player’s control, clothing, footwear or necessary equipment (excluding the racket) is broken or needs to be replaced, the player may be allowed reasonable extra time to rectify the problem. c. No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition. However, a player suffering from a treatable medical condition may be allowed one medical time-out of three minutes for the treatment of that medical condition. A limited number of toilet/change of attire breaks may also be allowed, if this is announced in advance of the event. d. Event organisers may allow a rest period of a maximum of ten (10) minutes if this is announced in advance of the event. This rest period can be taken after the 3rd set in a best of 5 sets match, or after the 2nd set in a best of 3 sets match. e. The warm-up time shall be a maximum of five (5) minutes, unless otherwise decided by the event organisers. 30. COACHING Coaching is considered to be communication, advice or instruction of any kind an


these are the rules according to the ITF site yet the tournaments seem to enforce a completely different set of rules

1. there is no penalty for failing to comply with the point 29 in the tennis rulebook. Or did I miss something?
2. ITF allows tournaments to enforce different rules, if agreed with ITF
3. GS have something different mentioned in the GS rulebook for time between points including penalties

 

[LETitBE]

1. there is no penalty for failing to comply with the point 29 in the tennis rulebook. Or did I miss something?
2. ITF allows tournaments to enforce different rules, if agreed with ITF
3. GS have something different mentioned in the GS rulebook for time between points including penalties

its exactly the same on the ATP site ,as for penalties i cant find anything

 

[Gary Duane]

Fedfans' world revolves around Rafa. This thread is yet another proof.

I don't know one fan in this forum whose life more revolves around a single player more than yours does. But you certainly are not the only "one player" fan.

"One player fans" are happy with anything that benefits their favorite. It's a built in lack of objectivity.

 

[octobrina10]

I don't know one fan in this forum whose life more revolves around a single player more than yours does. But you certainly are not the only "one player" fan.

"One player fans" are happy with anything that benefits their favorite. It's a built in lack of objectivity.

I'm a Rafa fan. Fedfans' world revolves around Rafa because they hate him.

 

[octobrina10]

29. CONTINUOUS PLAY As a principle, play should be continuous, from the time the match starts (when the first service of the match is put in play) until the match finishes. a. Between points, a maximum of twenty (20) seconds is allowed. When the players change ends at the end of a game, a maximum of ninety (90) seconds are allowed. However, after the first game of each set and during a tie-break game, play shall be continuous and the players shall change ends without a rest. At the end of each set there shall be a set break of a maximum of one hundred and twenty (120) seconds. The maximum time starts from the moment that one point finishes until the first service is struck for the next point. Event organisers may apply for ITF approval to extend the ninety (90) seconds allowed when the players change ends at the end of a game and the one hundred and twenty (120) seconds allowed at a set break. b. If, for reasons outside the player’s control, clothing, footwear or necessary equipment (excluding the racket) is broken or needs to be replaced, the player may be allowed reasonable extra time to rectify the problem. c. No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition. However, a player suffering from a treatable medical condition may be allowed one medical time-out of three minutes for the treatment of that medical condition. A limited number of toilet/change of attire breaks may also be allowed, if this is announced in advance of the event. d. Event organisers may allow a rest period of a maximum of ten (10) minutes if this is announced in advance of the event. This rest period can be taken after the 3rd set in a best of 5 sets match, or after the 2nd set in a best of 3 sets match. e. The warm-up time shall be a maximum of five (5) minutes, unless otherwise decided by the event organisers. 30. COACHING Coaching is considered to be communication, advice or instruction of any kind an


these are the rules according to the ITF site yet the tournaments seem to enforce a completely different set of rules

The ATP and the Grand Slam Board are using their own Rulebooks.

 

[LETitBE]

The ATP and the Grand Slam Board are using their own Rulebooks.

why dont they publish them on the website then,where do you think that came from?

 

[Gary Duane]

I'm a Rafa fan. Fedfans' world revolves around Rafa because they hate him.

That's total BS. I'm a Fed fan but enjoyed Rafa more than anyone else in 2013, when Fed was a non factor, and my world does not revolve around any tennis player.

But unlike you, I don't think any of these players walk on water. There are things all of the Big 3 do that I don't like, and the players I like the most don't win big events.

I picked Rafa to win the USO before it started. I'm still picking him but he has to get past the next match that will most likely be played under the roof.

 

[octobrina10]

why dont they publish them on the website then,where do you think that came from?

The ATP Rulebook is available on the ATP website and the GS Rulebook - on the ITF webiste.

 

[LETitBE]

The ATP Rulebook is available on the ATP website and the GS Rulebook - on the ITF webiste.

yes i know and thats what it says right there in my post, rule 29,same on both sites..show me something different in black and white

 

[octobrina10]

yes i know and thats what it says right there in my post, rule 29,same on both sites..show me something different in black and white

You quoted Rule 29 of the ITF Rules oF TennIs.

I repeat: the ATP and the Grand Slam Board are using their own Rulebooks.

 

[LETitBE]

You quoted Rule 29 of the ITF Rules oF TennIs.

I repeat: the ATP and the Grand Slam Board are using their own Rulebooks.

where do i find these rules?

 

[octobrina10]

where do i find these rules?

The 2019 ATP Official Rulebook:

ATP Official Rulebook | ATP Tour | Tennis

Download a printable version of the 2020 ATP Official Rulebook featuring the governing rules of men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour.

www.atptour.com

The 2019 Official Grand Slam Rule Book:

https://www.itftennis.com/media/298558/298558.pdf

.

 

[LETitBE]

The 2019 ATP Official Rulebook:

ATP Official Rulebook | ATP Tour | Tennis

Download a printable version of the 2020 ATP Official Rulebook featuring the governing rules of men's professional tennis on the ATP Tour.

www.atptour.com

The 2019 Official Grand Slam Rule Book:

https://www.itftennis.com/media/298558/298558.pdf

.

ok so what is the rule?

The Rules of Tennis and Duties and Procedures for Officials published by the International Tennis Federation (ITF) shall apply in all Grand Slam Tournament matches, unless otherwise specified by the GS

 

[octobrina10]

ok so what is the rule?

The Rules of Tennis and Duties and Procedures for Officials published by the International Tennis Federation (ITF) shall apply in all Grand Slam Tournament matches, unless otherwise specified by the GS

Read the rules in the Rulebooks.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Fedfans' world revolves around Rafa. This thread is yet another proof.

Pretty much, but sometimes watching people stand around is boring. It just doesn't happen as frequently as most let on. Having and applying the shot clock certainly hasn't had the adverse effect that so many though/hoped it would on Rafa's play. They did the time study during the USO for Rafa and found that he take MORE time betwen all points now, instead of a bit more time between more grueling points here and there. It actually gives him a better cadence to his timing I think. The match against Cilic was a prefect example of where the shot clock was done by the book and how it really doesn't do anything for Rafa's game, and the 5 set match still went over 2 hours. And rafa still towels off, does his body touch routine and ball routines before serving right at teh 3-5 second left mark. Cilic still bounces the ball a million times.

Wutevs.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Pretty much, but sometimes watching people stand around is boring. It just doesn't happen as frequently as most let on. Having and applying the shot clock certainly hasn't had the adverse effect that so many though/hoped it would on Rafa's play. They did the time study during the USO for Rafa and found that he take MORE time betwen all points now, instead of a bit more time between more grueling points here and there. It actually gives him a better cadence to his timing I think. The match against Cilic was a prefect example of where the shot clock was done by the book and how it really doesn't do anything for Rafa's game, and the 5 set match still went over 2 hours. And rafa still towels off, does his body touch routine and ball routines before serving right at teh 3-5 second left mark. Cilic still bounces the ball a million times.

Wutevs.

With such teachers no wonder that we have kids like Kyrgios.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

The idea that long points are better is very much subjective and fanship-based. There isn't a single true way to view tennis quality. It seems to me you can broadly categorise most approaches into sum vs product, mathematically speaking. Defense fans view the quality of a particular point as a sum of all its strokes, so the more the better, short points are bawring etc. Offense fans view quality as a product of its strokes, so one weak shot can ruin the quality of the point like one small multiplier can reduce the product manifold. Botting is safer for that than rallying, as a poor shot may compromise a previously good rally. I loathe gets made possible by subpar shots (like an airy dropshot getting punished, no problem if it was a good one of course).