tecnifibre synthetic gut

[chiapants226]

i've been looking for a good, cheapish, syn gut lately that is good as a cross string with pro red code 17g. ive tried klip syn gut which feels really nice, but i cant seem to find reels of klip synthetic gut anywhere.
i've had a look at tecnifibre syn gut, and its quite cheap, and i think im going to try gosen syn gut as a cross string as well.

the main thing im looking for from the syn gut is power, and the question i want to know is how is tecnifibre syn gut for power compared to some other popular syn guts? i dont really like PSGD, still feels a bit too stiff for a syn gut for me.

 

[armsty]

Gosen from what I've read is better than TFSG

 

[K1Y]

other opinions on this?

 

[Brando]

Depends on what you're looking for, @K1Y . Tecnifibre's is a budget syn gut that's a little more power-oriented than most but also loses more tension; or so the reviews say. The best power-oriented syn gut I know of (and personally use) is Forten Sweet 16. It's got excellent elastic quality, nice spin potential, and in my experience maintains tension as well as OGSM:

Sweet 16 (1.3mm natural): $4/set, 189 stiffness, 3.4 spin potential
3.3% Total Elongation = 2.3% Elastic Elongation (snapback) + 1.0% RE, making its ELASTIC QUALITY [EE/TE] = 70

 

[K1Y]

thanks alot for your insight! yes ive read good things about forten sweet! def would want to try it out but its a little harder to come by for me. shipment cost up the price alot. babolat syn gut and tf syn gut cheapest for me. but im debating if its good enough. otherwise im just trying velocity mlt as my cross for hybrid

 

[artdeco]

My local club uses Pro's Pro 1.35mm for their synthetic gut, and it's actually really good.

 

[Irvin]

Babolat SG

 

[Chairman3]

Gosen, always

 

[K1Y]

My local club uses Pro's Pro 1.35mm for their synthetic gut, and it's actually really good.

interesting. will try that out if i can find a cheap set

 

[K1Y]

Babolat SG

how would you compare it to a multi like velocity?

 

[K1Y]

Gosen, always

can only get the ogsm super version.. is it worse compare to normal?

 

[Irvin]

how would you compare it to a multi like velocity?

Never used velocity

 

[Chairman3]

can only get the ogsm super version.. is it worse compare to normal?

TW listing says it is more durable than the regular but slightly firmer.
Regular OGSM is pretty soft, so I wouldn't be worried.

 

[K1Y]

TW listing says it is more durable than the regular but slightly firmer.
Regular OGSM is pretty soft, so I wouldn't be worried.

yeah read that aswell. thankyou very mucho. putting it on my to-order list

 

[Brando]

OGSM is prolly the most popular hybrid cross there is, for a reason.
But here's the thing, @K1Y , if you're looking for a syn gut cross for a poly main, then any one of the fine syn guts recommended here will do the job. That is, if you have cheap, easy access to Babolat syn gut, then I say string that first because it's a fine and under-rated SG. Don't get me wrong, I could debate the subtle differences among SGs 'till the crack o' doom. But as a cross in a hybrid, the differences pale to their similarities. And I think the wise folk who've posted here might agree,

 

[EggSalad]

i've been looking for a good, cheapish, syn gut lately that is good as a cross string with pro red code 17g. ive tried klip syn gut which feels really nice, but i cant seem to find reels of klip synthetic gut anywhere.
i've had a look at tecnifibre syn gut, and its quite cheap, and i think im going to try gosen syn gut as a cross string as well.

the main thing im looking for from the syn gut is power, and the question i want to know is how is tecnifibre syn gut for power compared to some other popular syn guts? i dont really like PSGD, still feels a bit too stiff for a syn gut for me.

The Pro Red Code 17g is 1.25, right?

If so, I used Gosen OGSM 16g (natural color) as a cross with Red Code 1.25 and it was buttery soft and very powerful.

A bit of an eye sore in my Diadem Elevate FS but nice hybrid none the less.

 

[K1Y]

Gosen, always

what poly do use in the mains? regular lynx?

 

[Chairman3]

what poly do use in the mains? regular lynx?

Depends what you want..
Shaped polys work well for more spin
Stiff poly for more control/less power
Soft poly for a plush feel

Really any poly works

 

[K1Y]

Depends what you want..
Shaped polys work well for more spin
Stiff poly for more control/less power
Soft poly for a plush feel

Really any poly works

alright thanks. How durable is gosen cross with shaped poly? compared to lets say velocity cross?

 

[Chairman3]

alright thanks. How durable is gosen cross with shaped poly? compared to lets say velocity cross?

Hard to say, I never use multi
I think synthetic gut is more durable than multi, in general
Gosen in the crosses is pretty durable since crosses don't do much work.
Get a 16 or 15g if you want max durability.

 

[K1Y]

Hard to say, I never use multi
I think synthetic gut is more durable than multi, in general
Gosen in the crosses is pretty durable since crosses don't do much work.
Get a 16 or 15g if you want max durability.

awesome, sounds good. I'll go as thick as I can find here. Just looking to soften up my fb poly with hybriding in most cost efficient way.. SG sounds alot better in that regard vs multi

 

[fuzz nation]

awesome, sounds good. I'll go as thick as I can find here. Just looking to soften up my fb poly with hybriding in most cost efficient way.. SG sounds alot better in that regard vs multi

I can also recommend Gosen OGSM 16 as a decent cross for a poly hybrid. It's relatively slippery and generally doesn't get chewed up as quickly as other syn. gut crosses I've tried when I've done setups for local sluggers. I don't use poly in my own frames - full beds of syn. gut give me all the performance and comfort that I want with my gear.

Gosen OGSM runs a little more firm than other "semi-soft" syn. guts including Babolat and Kirschbaum, but I think that this just means that the OGSM doesn't need quite as much tension to get the degree of firmness you may want in a layout. Prince SG with Duraflex is too firm and clunky feeling for me, but Prince Original SG (no Duraflex) is also a nice option that I'd include among the "semi-soft" SG's.

My general beef with many multis is that they tend to steadily lose tension and turn flimsy - at least for me - before they physically break down. Folks who need that extra degree of softness in their setup to protect an elbow, etc. can often benefit from a full multi layout, but it seems that a lot of players can also get enough softness with many syn. guts.

I keep a reel of Prince Premier Control (PPC) on hand in case anybody asks me for a re-string with full multi. This string seems to do a pretty good job of holding tension, but one or two pals didn't like it when they tried it as a cross in a poly hybrid compared with one syn. gut cross or another. It may have been the case that the poly didn't slide against the PPC as readily as the syn. gut, but I can't say for sure. It's nice that SG's are relatively affordable compared with many "premium" multis, but many SG's also seem to outperform and also outlast multis in those hybrids.

 

[Brando]

16 ga SGs per TWU		Tension	Spin	Energy	Price
(at 51#, fast swing)	Stiffness​	Loss %​	Pot’l​	Return %​	US​
Gosen OG Sheep Micro	184	21	3.4	92	$4
Babolat Syn Gut	169	17	5.8	93	$5.50

As @fuzz nation says, OGSM is stiffer than semi-soft BSG (by 8%) but BSG holds tension around 25% longer while enabling 41% more spin potential with an essentially equivalent energy return. Casting no aspersions on The Sheep (which I use), I just wanted you to know that Babo’s is a high quality syn gut too.

 

[innoVAShaun]

I use Tecnifibre Synthetic Gut on my crosses with Alu Power 115 on my mains. TSG gets lots of bite as it retains much of the tennis ball fuzz. It also wears pretty quickly, flattening out and losing color.

 

[K1Y]

I can also recommend Gosen OGSM 16 as a decent cross for a poly hybrid. It's relatively slippery and generally doesn't get chewed up as quickly as other syn. gut crosses I've tried when I've done setups for local sluggers. I don't use poly in my own frames - full beds of syn. gut give me all the performance and comfort that I want with my gear.

Gosen OGSM runs a little more firm than other "semi-soft" syn. guts including Babolat and Kirschbaum, but I think that this just means that the OGSM doesn't need quite as much tension to get the degree of firmness you may want in a layout. Prince SG with Duraflex is too firm and clunky feeling for me, but Prince Original SG (no Duraflex) is also a nice option that I'd include among the "semi-soft" SG's.

My general beef with many multis is that they tend to steadily lose tension and turn flimsy - at least for me - before they physically break down. Folks who need that extra degree of softness in their setup to protect an elbow, etc. can often benefit from a full multi layout, but it seems that a lot of players can also get enough softness with many syn. guts.

I keep a reel of Prince Premier Control (PPC) on hand in case anybody asks me for a re-string with full multi. This string seems to do a pretty good job of holding tension, but one or two pals didn't like it when they tried it as a cross in a poly hybrid compared with one syn. gut cross or another. It may have been the case that the poly didn't slide against the PPC as readily as the syn. gut, but I can't say for sure. It's nice that SG's are relatively affordable compared with many "premium" multis, but many SG's also seem to outperform and also outlast multis in those hybrids.

damn, very useful insight. Appreciate it a lot. You sold me on the syn gut. All the confirmation I needed to give it a chance. I'm a fan.. I mean I still have to try it out but I will very soon. But I'm a fan. thanks sir

 

[K1Y]

I use Tecnifibre Synthetic Gut on my crosses with Alu Power 115 on my mains. TSG gets lots of bite as it retains much of the tennis ball fuzz. It also wears pretty quickly, flattening out and losing color.

how often do you re-string?

 

[K1Y]

16 ga SGs per TWU		Tension	Spin	Energy	Price
(at 51#, fast swing)	Stiffness​	Loss %​	Pot’l​	Return %​	US​
Gosen OG Sheep Micro	184	21	3.4	92	$4
Babolat Syn Gut	169	17	5.8	93	$5.50

As @fuzz nation says, OGSM is stiffer than semi-soft BSG (by 8%) but BSG holds tension around 25% longer while enabling 41% more spin potential with an essentially equivalent energy return. Casting no aspersions on The Sheep (which I use), I just wanted you to know that Babo’s is a high quality syn gut too.

awesome... ordering babo's right now also, where do you get that chart from? very interesting.

 

[innoVAShaun]

how often do you re-string?

Between once a month to once a month and a half.

 

[born_hard]

Check this out:

 

[K1Y]

Between once a month to once a month and a half.

awesome, thanks!

 

[innoVAShaun]

awesome, thanks!

 

[K1Y]

clean. Rafa PA? now I'm interested.. looking to for best poly/sg setup on PA aswell. what tension you prefer? how comfy is it

 

[LOBALOT]

Check this out:

I don't get this video.

If you look at his spreadsheet and green highlighted colors Head Velocity was one of the top performers as far as tension loss, spin, and energy return and price but is not in his top 5 and then said it looks like a winner. But strings 4 times the price with poorer performance characteristics are.

The other thing is I think how a multi is used impacts which one you select. If someone is playing a multi in a full bed because they are a newer player or looking for more pop from their string a particular brand may be a better option than in another use where a players is selecting a hybrid and looking for more control from their setup.

Similarly I don't think one can blindly evaluate multi's with an assessment that higher energy return is better. Again, it depends on the player and what they seek. A lower energy return may be a better option for a player seeking more control.

 

[innoVAShaun]

clean. Rafa PA? now I'm interested.. looking to for best poly/sg setup on PA aswell. what tension you prefer? how comfy is it

Alu 115 mains at 45lb and Technifibre Syn Gut crosses at 47lb. With the summer heat and humidity though, I might go up 2–3 pounds. It’s lively from the get-go. By the time it’s dead and starts to make that “THUNK” sound, they pop. I string my own racquets so right before my next session, I replace them.

It’s pretty comfortable for me since I’ve already had pre-existing shoulder and wrist injuries since my military service.

 

[Rabbit]

Babolat SG

I have to say I was/am fond of Babolat SG, the plain synthetic gut not the Spiraltek stuff. I think I'm going back to Babolat once I use up all the Gosen I have. The Babolat does seem slicker and softer.

 

[Irvin]

@Rabbit I think the black, blue, & pink are the smoothest versions, and depending on where you buy it, Bab SG is cheaper. I’ve never tried the spiraltek version.

 

[K1Y]

@Rabbit @Irvin you guys are going to make me hoar up on this babo SG stuff. Was planning to order the natural color since it was only 25. pink is 30.. worth the extra 5 eur?

 

[K1Y]

yeah ogsm is 70 a reel for me and babo SG 25/30. insane.

 

[Rabbit]

@Rabbit @Irvin you guys are going to make me hoar up on this babo SG stuff. Was planning to order the natural color since it was only 25. pink is 30.. worth the extra 5 eur?

I prefer the white. It seems to have a pearlized coating.

 

[K1Y]

I prefer the white. It seems to have a pearlized coating.

natural 25.. all others 30.. Alright I'll buy the coating thingy thats probaly why its more expensive.

 

[Rabbit]

@K1Y money well spent

 

[Irvin]

Babolat SG is also a soft stretchy string. I can easily string over 19 16 main mid+ rackets with a reel.

 

[K1Y]

I will string up some rackets with a full bed of babo SG to try it out. What would be a good starting point tension to try it out and give it a fair shot? for 16x19 aswell as for 18x20. still mid tension? or lower? poly above 22kg is too stiff for me
@Irvin @Rabbit @fuzz nation

 

[Irvin]

I will string up some rackets with a full bed of babo SG to try it out. What would be a good starting point tension to try it out and give it a fair shot? for 16x19 aswell as for 18x20. still mid tension? or lower? poly above 22kg is too stiff for me
@Irvin @Rabbit @fuzz nation

Same tension you used before. Then you’re comparing string to string as rackets and tensions don’t change.

 

[K1Y]

Same tension you used before. Then you’re comparing string to string as rackets and tensions don’t change.

very good point. Important to keep other variables out the equation. But I find it difficult to find on these forums how low tension fb syn guts can go. lets say I do 21 kg syn gut. I will probaly not like it anyway because it's too powerful compared to 21 kg poly right?

 

[Irvin]

very good point. Important to keep other variables out the equation. But I find it difficult to find on these forums how low tension fb syn guts can go. lets say I do 21 kg syn gut. I will probaly not like it anyway because it's too powerful compared to 21 kg poly right?

True if I was switching from poly to SG I would raise tension 10-15%.

 

[Irvin]

Another option would be to start with a hybrid. Putting poly in crosses with SG mains raising tension on the mains by 5%.

 

[K1Y]

@Irvin excellent info. I will do both fb and hybrid sg mains. thanks so much that helps alot!

 

[Brando]

awesome... ordering babo's right now also, where do you get that chart from? very interesting.

I cut and pasted the table out of my personal database but the original source of the data is TWU's String Performance Database.
(I think you've made a wise decision to go with BSG for your purposes.)

 

[TimePlease]

I will string up some rackets with a full bed of babo SG to try it out. What would be a good starting point tension to try it out and give it a fair shot? for 16x19 aswell as for 18x20. still mid tension? or lower? poly above 22kg is too stiff for me
@Irvin @Rabbit @fuzz nation

How did your experiments turn out with this string?