He was not allowed to play "the magic tennis". Very simple.
Tsonga hit too hard.
Every time he loses is because he wasn't himself. Sounds alot like Serena. Or Venus.
That was not Federer against Tsonga
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He was not allowed to play "the magic tennis". Very simple.
Tsonga hit too hard.
Every time he loses is because he wasn't himself. Sounds alot like Serena. Or Venus.
He was always his own worst enemy, but those are harsh words my friend. I'm sure Fed felt the pain of the loss pretty hard. I think Fed, more than anything, needs a shrink.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Vero, you're French and I have this 'soft spot' somewhere because you guys got a beautiful language so I'm going to try hard to be nice but really, please, this is like the nth time you've come out of nowhere simply to stick it. I mean, sure it's cool and stuff only I'm kind of left wondering if you'll be around if by some stroke of bad luck,some nail injury or something,Nadal doesn't win this thing :wink:
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decades
Guest
he still has the eye of the tiger. he has lost his legs though.
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
You are exactly right. NOBODY can beat Venus or Serena if they are themselves and playing the way they are capable of playing. Federer is the same, except Nadal can beat him.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
There are plenty of events Rafa hasn't won lately. Too many lol. Even on clay. Thank god he's not a quitter like Rog though (just teasing, just teasing, what can I say? People take their fun where they find it.
I will always worship Rafa and dislike Federer, should Rafa not win another match and Fed win every one of them- very unlikely for sure- I can't change my taste to please the board, sorry.)There are plenty of events Rafa hasn't won lately. Too many lol. Even on clay. Thank god he's not a quitter like Rog though (just teasing, just teasing, what can I say? People take their fun where they find it.
Well, thank god we can't as well. Even trying to imagine myself as a Nadal fan leaves me in total disgust, so I imagine you feel the same way about Fed.
Anyway, you have a history of coming out of nowhere when Fed losses and bash him just for the fun of it, so I'm hoping you have your fun.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I do thanks for your concern.
thanks for your concern.
flyinghippos101
Legend
The fact of the matter is that this WAS Federer playing today. we ask too much of a player that has won so much to continue going deep at the slams. Federer seems to have a tendacy to have bad loses again JWS. A two sets lead lost is deplorable though and his grand slam chances worsen with every devastating loss he receives at the majors
I do
No problem. Hopefully Rafa losses soon and we can all laugh at him too
MixieP
Hall of Fame
This is funny and perhaps also accurate.
matchmaker
Hall of Fame
This quote really shows how some people here see things. If Fed wins and plays well it is Fed. If someone challenges him, and he starts to be affected by it, it is not Federer we see.
What a way to look at it. He can do nothing wrong, either he wins brilliantly, either someone forces him to change his game plan, which he cant', so we can just conclude that it wasn't Federer, so he didn't really lose.
Talk about crooked logic.
I think Fed was just fine and actually played well. It was just one of the few times he got beaten by a player who was better on the day, much like the famous Federer-Safin match.
All the congrats go to Tsonga here. He held his nerve, played his own game, and won on his own terms against one of the best players of all time. Few players can say that.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Fed didn't play well: his serve wasn't great, he played very defensive, didn't take his chances and he shanked.
Tsonga played well but nothing spectacular imo.
Tsonga played well but nothing spectacular imo.
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
One thing about Tsonga though is that once he got the confidence rolling, he served incredibly clutch on big points.
trenzterra
Semi-Pro
I watched the third set and wow, I was impressed by Tsonga's 1HBH and his clutch-ness.
Though I thought Federer would definitely win when I woke up since he was 178-0 before
Though I thought Federer would definitely win when I woke up since he was 178-0 before
SuperPhong
Rookie
Isn't that how Fed has been playing this year... against better quality opponents?
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
He didnt play well?Did you even look at the stats?Tsonga elevated his game and Roger didnt.He got defensive.He played a couple of loose games on his serve and paid the price.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Please! He is lying through his teeth. What is he supposed to say? "I am over the hill and I suck?" No way he can be happy with his performance today in the last 3 sets. It is like somebody that gets straight A's in school and then all of a sudden receives B's and C's. Nobody who gets A's is happy with B's and C's. If he is happy with his match he is as delusional as they come.
Tennis_Maestro
Banned
Dumb logic.
How old was Sampras when he won Wimbledon and the US? How old was Aggasi when he won his grandslams? Everyone always puts it down to some cheap shallow method reasoning. He's not even 30 but to aid your argument you'll just round it to that huh. Wolly.
Tsonga was firing on all cylinders, expect Djokovic to beat him quite easily, Djokovic has a better defense than Federer.
Z
Z3kk
Guest
Hm, well said.
Federer cannot possibly be happy with his performance today. I do think that he is not lying 100%, though: I'm led to think that Federer is getting a quite complacent...and this complacency was definitely reflected in the match today with that sluggishness and seeming nonchalance/defensiveness...
All-rounder
Legend
Federer is trying his best to hang onto any false hope that the curtains are far from closing. He can continue to do as he pleases, I won't question comments like these since it isn't the first time I've heard him say something so off key. It's just like when he said earlier this year he thinks he's playing his best tennis of his career.... Sure you haven't won a major in over a year and only a slam final appearance :roll: of course you're playing the best tennis at 30 yrs old. Give it time Federer's true colours will show come 2012 Olympics when he realises his dream may just be another fantasy.
DeShaun
Banned
I see that same look of irritation but I imagine it comes from realizing once again he will have to deal with the monster that he created in the sense that if there seems to be even the slightest chance on a given day for you to pin a loss on Roger, this is such a prestigious thing to do that the swelling prospect of it can suddenly give you enormous inspiration during a match, and I believe this is what chafes Roger, seeing his opponent's eyes light up and their level of play climb to beyond its normal levels; and IF the opponent happens to be some guy who can run all day, Roger probably thinks to himself,
"Aww crap, he we go: Either I dig in deep and spend myself (completely?) in a contest of fetch until this kid softens enough to let go of the idea that he could actually beat more than once in ten tries, or I have to wait it out and see if his level of play drops on its own.."
I think Roger nowadays prudently plays defensive tennis in these situations, not what he would have done years ago when his legs were spry--back then, his matches consisted much more of dazzling opponents/spectators alike with his unceasing supply of on-the-run shot making...but he does not have the legs for that stuff anymore, and so when playing a highly talented and inspired opponent nowadays, he chooses usually to wait it out and see if their level drops just enough for him to slowly strangle a victory from them.
Just my .02cents
Frankly, I do not believe Roger enjoys having to do this--I think he would rather be running like a gazelle and making awesome shots. But I think he knows that he cannot sustain that game physically the way that he used to...and hence the look of irritation when forced to make the choice: "Do I wait it out prudently but go against my tennis instincts, or do I run like a gazelle?" He seems annoyed by having to make this choice.
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cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh there is no question he is trying to hang on to his former glory. It must be so difficult for a professional athlete to admit he/she is washed up at the ripe old age of 30. Tennis is what he has known his entire life. Also champions never want to admit they are declining. They have to go through the stages of grief--denial, anger, bargaining, depression and finally acceptance. Not sure where he is at with those phases.
Federer and all other players have to be politically correct in press conferences. Only stupid people take every word they say as the gospel.
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
You said he was done long time ago.....was he done when he spanked Djoker at the French?
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
He shanked twice in the entire match to lose points. I just rewatched the whole match. Unfortunately both shanks came at important moments - the forehand near the net was a particularly sad one.
Federer hit about 40% less unforced errors than his tournament average before that match (11 compared to 18 ), but hit less winners per game 1.1 compared to his tournament average of 1.5 - which is still about the same as Nadal, Djokovic and Murray's tournament averages (in the first 4 matches). His winner to unforced error ratio was basically double that of any match he played prior (4.2 : 1).
In short, he didn't muff that match by playing poorly at all, he got beaten off the court. Tsonga read it brilliantly and hit tons of great shots at the right moment. He played the match of his career... If you think that wasn't spectacular by his standards I don't know what is.
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
It is possible that Federer was having some stomach or bladder problems as he took two bathroom breaks during the match. I don't think he's ever done that.
Bud
Bionic Poster
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Tsonga's Noble Adventure
To paraphrase Shakespeare, I come here to applaud Tsonga, not to bury Fed. It would have been quite easy to exit stage right after dropping 2 sets to a six-time tourney champion and one who was undefeated in major play when up two sets. Instead, he realized he had not been broken since the very first game of the match, stuck to his game and carved out a fingerhold to hold on by, then an armhold to even things up and finally a stranglehold to put his opponent to the mat. All credit to where it's due!
I was cheated by broadcast scheduling and a call in the booth at NBC to show wall-to-wall Djok/Tomic until that match concluded. I can't honestly say a thing about Fed's play or nerve because of that. I can read a stat sheet though. You can't win many matches with only one service break opportunity. Stich beat Edberg at Wimby once without a service break. That was 20 or so years ago. That's how often you should expect to win without coming up with the goods while returning. The serving I saw by Tsonga in the fifth set was strong but Fed had chances. Before that, I don't know.
Where Fed goes from here, we shall all see together. The "30" thing is a little overblown. Since P'Cone came aboard, fed has semi-ed (w/MPs), semi-ed, final-ed and now 1/4-ed at majors with a WTF trophy to boot. That's not bad for a 29-year-old. We've been spoiled and expect more. I'm sure he'll continue to compete and maybe surprise even the darkest pessimists out here with a W from time to time. Now it's time to just move on, see what happens the rest of the Wimby fortnight and then get ready for Flushing. Can't wait!
To paraphrase Shakespeare, I come here to applaud Tsonga, not to bury Fed. It would have been quite easy to exit stage right after dropping 2 sets to a six-time tourney champion and one who was undefeated in major play when up two sets. Instead, he realized he had not been broken since the very first game of the match, stuck to his game and carved out a fingerhold to hold on by, then an armhold to even things up and finally a stranglehold to put his opponent to the mat. All credit to where it's due!
I was cheated by broadcast scheduling and a call in the booth at NBC to show wall-to-wall Djok/Tomic until that match concluded. I can't honestly say a thing about Fed's play or nerve because of that. I can read a stat sheet though. You can't win many matches with only one service break opportunity. Stich beat Edberg at Wimby once without a service break. That was 20 or so years ago. That's how often you should expect to win without coming up with the goods while returning. The serving I saw by Tsonga in the fifth set was strong but Fed had chances. Before that, I don't know.
Where Fed goes from here, we shall all see together. The "30" thing is a little overblown. Since P'Cone came aboard, fed has semi-ed (w/MPs), semi-ed, final-ed and now 1/4-ed at majors with a WTF trophy to boot. That's not bad for a 29-year-old. We've been spoiled and expect more. I'm sure he'll continue to compete and maybe surprise even the darkest pessimists out here with a W from time to time. Now it's time to just move on, see what happens the rest of the Wimby fortnight and then get ready for Flushing. Can't wait!
*cough* Davydenko *cough*
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Federer took only one bathroom break.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Nice try. I knew you'd say that. :???:He was just trying to mess up Tsonga's momentum
However, Tsonga isn't Davydenko
However, Federer took his first bathroom break after winning the 2nd set tiebreak in dominating fashion to go up 2 sets to none and had all the momentum on his side. The only momentum that could have disturbed was his own, which is exactly what happened. Unfortunately, Federer doesn't have as much experience in ways to disrupt an opponent's momentum as Nadal does.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Finally, an insightful and objective poast from you. Well done.
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Deleted member 3771
Guest
Fed was very happy with his performance, he tried his best but Ali just floored him. He needs to start testing those bigger rackets.
Federer:
"Except the score, many things went right. I was pretty pleased with my performance today and at least it took a special performance to beat me. He played an amazing match and didn't give me much hope."
Federer:
"Except the score, many things went right. I was pretty pleased with my performance today and at least it took a special performance to beat me. He played an amazing match and didn't give me much hope."
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
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Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
If one looks at the stats:
http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/stats/day17/1503ms.html
they're all very close, with one glaring exception:
Tsonga Federer
Break Point Conversions 3 of 9 = 33 % 1 of 1 = 100 %
which should tell us and Federer the truth:
- Tsonga was the more active, the more aggressive, the more inspired guy, the more varied guy in his play
- Tsonga served better than Federer at the most critical of moments (Federer could not break him); Fed's vaunted serve wasn't that great at all;
- Tsonga returned better than Federer at the most crucial of moments (he broke Federer 3 times, each time at a very important times); Fed's returning wasn't aggressive enough;
We don't need much more. So-so match for Federer. He may be satisfied with it, but one doesn't win championships with it.
http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/stats/day17/1503ms.html
they're all very close, with one glaring exception:
Tsonga Federer
Break Point Conversions 3 of 9 = 33 % 1 of 1 = 100 %
which should tell us and Federer the truth:
- Tsonga was the more active, the more aggressive, the more inspired guy, the more varied guy in his play
- Tsonga served better than Federer at the most critical of moments (Federer could not break him); Fed's vaunted serve wasn't that great at all;
- Tsonga returned better than Federer at the most crucial of moments (he broke Federer 3 times, each time at a very important times); Fed's returning wasn't aggressive enough;
We don't need much more. So-so match for Federer. He may be satisfied with it, but one doesn't win championships with it.
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Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
GhostDog
Hall of Fame
Fed needs to serve, and volley more. He needs to approach the net way more aggressively on a consistent basis. It's pretty clear he can't play big boy tennis behind the baseline like the younger guns on tour. He can beat some guys this way, but not the elite anymore. It's not a winning proposition. Tsonga's forehands were too much for Fed to handle. Tsonga also aggressively, and smartly approached the net.
It was also disappointing see that fiery Fed that was displayed in the match against Djoker at the FO? Where was he?
It'll be very interesting to see what adjustments Fed makes to his game if any. Hopefully, he's not too stubborn to start mixing up his game.
It was also disappointing see that fiery Fed that was displayed in the match against Djoker at the FO? Where was he?
It'll be very interesting to see what adjustments Fed makes to his game if any. Hopefully, he's not too stubborn to start mixing up his game.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Nice try. I knew you'd say that. :???:
However, Federer took his first bathroom break after winning the 2nd set tiebreak in dominating fashion to go up 2 sets to none and had all the momentum on his side. The only momentum that could have disturbed was his own, which is exactly what happened. Unfortunately, Federer doesn't have as much experience in ways to disrupt an opponent's momentum as Nadal does.
You're so funny how when Federer does something you will defend it, if Nadal does the EXACT same thing, you're all over his case. Either split it down the middle and be fair, or stop making excuses.
ruerooo
Legend
I also noticed something about ROS in the fifth set. It was something like Tsonga's 6 to Federer's 1 type of ratio.
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