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People yap on about this "big 4 big 3" like it's really important, it really isn't given it is a thing of the past, I was playing Top Spin 4 on the 360 and I had an epiphany. (This is what happens when one is drunk)
There was a big 4 and it went from late 2008 till September 2013, Murray was part of this group, he held close or positive H2H's with Djokovic and Federer whilst being left behind by Nadal (Most of the tour barring Davydenko where left behind).
Murray won 2 Masters tournaments a year from 2008-2011 whilst consistently reaching slam semis and even finals, Murray won his first slam in 2012 with Olympic Gold whilst being a losing finalist in two Masters vs Djokovic. He once again won a slam in 2013 and won a Masters tournament in Miami.
In September 2013, Murray's back operation is what ended the big 4, Andy has developed a Subordinate complex vs Federer and Djokovic from 2014 to today, he hasn't beaten either of them since 2013 and Djokovic is what 9-0 vs Murray from Wimbledon 2013 onwards? To be in an elite group you need to be close to your rivals and beat them, this hasn't happened. From 2014 Murray didn't beat Nadal until the Madrid Masters this year.
Wawrinka then Murray are now the two behind the big 2 and Nadal needs to find his form again.
Is that a fair assessment?
Djokovic has ran with the ball and Federer is as dangerous as ever, Murray is behind them whilst being consistent and Wawrinka is capable of beating all of these players at any given day, he's beaten all of them in slams.
To repeat to be part of an elite group you have to match your rivals, beat your rivals and accomplish in a season as much as your rivals, Murray did this more so in a best of 3 format from 2008-2013 (Slams in 2012/2013)
There was a big 4 and it went from late 2008 till September 2013, Murray was part of this group, he held close or positive H2H's with Djokovic and Federer whilst being left behind by Nadal (Most of the tour barring Davydenko where left behind).
Murray won 2 Masters tournaments a year from 2008-2011 whilst consistently reaching slam semis and even finals, Murray won his first slam in 2012 with Olympic Gold whilst being a losing finalist in two Masters vs Djokovic. He once again won a slam in 2013 and won a Masters tournament in Miami.
In September 2013, Murray's back operation is what ended the big 4, Andy has developed a Subordinate complex vs Federer and Djokovic from 2014 to today, he hasn't beaten either of them since 2013 and Djokovic is what 9-0 vs Murray from Wimbledon 2013 onwards? To be in an elite group you need to be close to your rivals and beat them, this hasn't happened. From 2014 Murray didn't beat Nadal until the Madrid Masters this year.
Wawrinka then Murray are now the two behind the big 2 and Nadal needs to find his form again.
Is that a fair assessment?
Djokovic has ran with the ball and Federer is as dangerous as ever, Murray is behind them whilst being consistent and Wawrinka is capable of beating all of these players at any given day, he's beaten all of them in slams.
To repeat to be part of an elite group you have to match your rivals, beat your rivals and accomplish in a season as much as your rivals, Murray did this more so in a best of 3 format from 2008-2013 (Slams in 2012/2013)
