THE CLASH equals TRASH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJTaurus]

My new Clash tour 4 3/8 with tounagrip and 16 gauge string weighs in at 11.8 ounces. Perfect weigh for a 5.0 tweener like me. Switched from the blade 98's 18x20 pattern and so far no wrist our shoulder problems. With the blade, over the years have developed sore shoulders and wrist pains. Could play every other day singles, but very sore after each match. I too welcome the softer frame. Lets a person play tennis without creating injuries. After playing stiff for 10 or so years, nice to have a change. Still get equal power and control to the blade without the harshness.
If you are like me, that enjoys playing 4 times a week, give it a try. Your joints will appreciate it. And if I continue to play 4 times a week competitive singles without injuries, then it was worth the change!

We need more feedback on how it compares to blade in terms of feel and other 100inch racquets you have played with.

Also a comparison with the base clash if you tried it...?

 

[Username_]

Here is something:
Every racquet Wilson makes is TRASH

Spoiler: Spoiler

Except the legendary Pro Staff line before the RF97

 

[Goldie]

Seems like the right spot. Save the revolution for the official Wilson Clash thread.

I firmly believe there is no such thing as a perfect racket and that every racket has it's pros and cons and you have to see how things fit into your game and style. For me playing with the Clash is like putting a square peg into a round hole. But for my wife it has far more features to help her game.

The major flaws I find is the lack of ball feel and the overly high launch angle. Neither work at all for my predominantly doubles based game. Not sure if string changes could improve that but the last thing I want is to be forced to put in a stiff high tension poly to tame the racket.

Interesting, I do not get the higher lunch angle, mainly because I hit a flat ball most of the time. It seems to be the same angle for me as the blade 18 x 20. Maybe you have it to loose, I string mine at 52 pounds, to loose and you have a catapult

 

[n8dawg6]

shoot, now im interested in giving it a whirl

 

[r2473]

THE CLASH equals TRASH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

The Clash f'in rocks the casbah

The Shareef don't like it
Rockin' the Casbah
Rock the Casbah
The Shareef don't like it
Rockin' the Casbah
Rock the Casbah

 

[JoelDali]

shoot, now im interested in giving it a whirl

Reverse troll thread ignites opposite reaction.

The Clash is spraying winners all over courts in my district.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Interesting, I do not get the higher lunch angle, mainly because I hit a flat ball most of the time. It seems to be the same angle for me as the blade 18 x 20. Maybe you have it to loose, I string mine at 52 pounds, to loose and you have a catapult

52 lb Luxilon Smart. But I play with very low launch angle 18x20 Phantoms and swing low to high.

The Clash reminds me of my old Pure Drive where I needed to go strong SW grip to close the face enough.

 

[sureshs]

Reverse troll thread ignites opposite reaction.

The Clash is spraying winners all over courts in my district.

On the same court or adjacent courts?

 

[SpinToWin]

shoot, now im interested in giving it a whirl

Think Babolat with much better comfort, better control/feel (on flatter shots particularly), but less hop and pop on spinny shots. I find it to have close to equal power on flat shots though. It’s surprisingly stable at its weight and stiffness.

I think it’s a cool frame actually.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think that statement is a little more than unfair. I’ve never played with any of the Prince racquets people compare the Clash to. I can say from experience it’s a unique racquet. It does flex quite a bit, it’s soft on volleys and solid on ground strokes. I’m glad I gave the Clash Tour a chance, I’m enjoying playing with it. I let one of my friends hit with it and he couldn’t believe how powerful his shots were. When I let him borrow it, I used my former racquet the Ultra 100 CV. I immediately felt the difference between the two. I couldn’t believe how much better the Clash felt. So to each their own, my only thought is if you don’t like it, than obviously it’s not the racquet for you. With that being said, there’s no need to literally trash the racquet because it doesn’t suit you.

I am trashing the racquet because it is being marketed and now compared to flex and softness of PT630 which is BS,,,,,,,,, sorry

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Spot on - whatever works for you. I can’t hit a Pure Aero or an Ezone for toffee but completely accept that they are very popular effective sticks. Problem the Clash faces is the marketing hype - hard to live up to it and there will be some disappointed folks out there. I’ve played the PT and the older Head line and they are are fabulous for me - but not everyone.


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we are talking overe hype aas if it is the next tyhing since sliced bread,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the PT630 has been around since mid 90's LOL anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they are marketing the clash as a revolution,,,,,,,,,,,, it is not sorry

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

I think we need more time for Clash to see how it goes. I,ve only had limited time with the Tour version and and I think the choice of string and tension does not do justice with what they are trying to do with a 55 RA frame.
For a 100sq inch frame with a 24.5mm beam the cosmetics make this racquet look like a goofy lollipop. They need to get rid of that grey and make it less garish.

trying the regualr version is no better , less solid and flimsy

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

We complain when they make stiff racquets, we complain when they make soft racquets........

I have come to the conclusion we just like to complain!

no make a frame that we can swing that is soft and STABLE for the modern game.................. It took me a long time to figure out

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

If you're a players racquet diehard, you will probably not like the Clash. I used to play with players frames like prestiges and pure controls/storms because they were softer and offered feel for the ball. Those things were important to me. I usually played well, probably better, with Pure Drives and other similar frames, but I missed the comfort and feedback of my other frames. I could find an adequate balance of control, spin, and easy depth from a couple other frames, but I usually ended up with arm pain.

The Clash remedies some of the disadvantages of typical tweeners for me. I can make it through multiple hours of play in a day pain-free with full polyester strings. Most importantly, I feel like I know what the ball is going to do off of the strings once I hit and can adjust from there. With Pure Aeros, Ultras, Radicals, etc., I get a vague sense of accuracy and how the ball will come off of my strings. That makes me feel like I can't trust the racquet in pressure situations. This is significantly better for me with the Clash.

While the Clash doesn't have PT57A-like feel and control, it delivers much better feel for the ball than a typical chunky tweener frame. I finally feel like I can play with a frame that suits my game rather than one that I like the feel of and is comfortable enough for my arm.

TLDR: Pure Drive/APD style frames are best for my game but players sticks give me comfort and feel that I prioritize. The Clash partially remedies the negative aspects of traditional tweeners, and I like that.

fair enough,,,,,,,,,, only my intermediate student got arm problems already with the clash tour,,,,,,,,,, anyway with the frames you mentioned you need to customized heavily to find the right balance.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

So... Do you have a pt 57a/pt360 in 295g or 310 unstrung?

yes thats the secret

 

[OlivierJulienB]

Think Babolat with much better comfort, better control/feel (on flatter shots particularly), but less hop and pop on spinny shots. I find it to have close to equal power on flat shots though. It’s surprisingly stable at its weight and stiffness.

I think it’s a cool frame actually.

I share your opinion as a long time Pure Drive player. Will maybe buy the clash and maybe also add some weight.
To all these you say the racket doesn't provide control, could be better with higher tension.

 

[3loudboys]

we are talking overe hype aas if it is the next tyhing since sliced bread,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the PT630 has been around since mid 90's LOL anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they are marketing the clash as a revolution,,,,,,,,,,,, it is not sorry

Agreed - who’d have thought marketing men trying to sell you stuff you don’t need at twice the price...shameful.



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[Pro_Tour_630]

I think that this thread is trash, much more than the Clash.
It is total non-sense to judge a racket on the fact that you like or not its marketing campaign.
Would it be possible to have more objective arguments?

no I tried it and hated it ,,,,,,,,,, all my students tried it and hated it,,,,,,,,,, many in my club tried it and hate it, all the pros in my club tried it and hate it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

One person's TRASH is another person's TREASURE

good then there will be plenty trash in the used section LOL

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

You might be onto something with the launch angle...I have had some success lowering it slightly with different string tensions and it certainly doesn't seem as "powerful" as the launch angle is lowered. I am now adding more lead at 12 to compensate.

I don't want to sound too critical though...I think Wilson have indeed provided a racket with an exceptionally high comfortable to power ratio.
I can use full poly no problems at all.
So is it perfect? - No, but I can use the strings I want and get some of the benefits without arm pain.

If my arm wasn't a problem, I wouldn't use it.

my students had arm problem with it

 

[SpinToWin]

I am trashing the racquet because it is being marketed and now compared to flex and softness of PT630 which is BS,,,,,,,,, sorry

That’s because you’re reading something subjective into objective measures of stiffness. Nobody ever said it would play like classic players frames and surely they would have chosen a different frame design and weight if that was the intent

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

So this has become an everybody come to trash the Clash racquet thread?

yes,,,,,,,,,,, hope on the bandwagon LOL

 

[SpinToWin]

my students had arm problem with it

I find this hard to imagine unless it’s strung absurdly bad, your student changed way too many specs at once leading to severe timing issues, or his technique generally is problematic.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

That’s because you’re reading something subjective into objective measures of stiffness. Nobody ever said it would play like classic players frames and surely they would have chosen a different frame design and weight if that was the intent

I think most are looking for comfortable frames that they can swing yet stable,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry the clash is not it ,,,,,,,,,, it is being marked this way,,,,,,,,,,, it is not,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

marketed as a comfortable frame that is stable LOL ok

 

[SpinToWin]

I think most are looking for comfortable frames that they can swing yet stable,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry the clash is not it ,,,,,,,,,, it is being marked this way,,,,,,,,,,, it is not,,,,,,,,,,,,

It is.

 

[OlivierJulienB]

no I tried it and hated it ,,,,,,,,,, all my students tried it and hated it,,,,,,,,,, many in my club tried it and hate it, all the pros in my club tried it and hate it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry

That's the psychological effect, when 1-2 people say it's trash the next ones are influenced by this opinion, and at the end everybody has the same opinion. Typical human reaction ;-)

 

[SpinToWin]

I’m sorry, but if you don’t think the frame is stable and comfortable at its weight I’m going to doubt your ability to play tennis.

 

[OlivierJulienB]

I think most are looking for comfortable frames that they can swing yet stable,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sorry the clash is not it ,,,,,,,,,, it is being marked this way,,,,,,,,,,, it is not,,,,,,,,,,,,

I respect your impression about the racquet, but don't like your kind of campaign you are doing.
I dont think it is the idea of this forum...

 

[SpinToWin]

I only added some weight at 12 to add plowthrough cause I felt it wasn’t winning contact with the ball I was used to (but I’m coming off a head-weighted XL frame!). But stability was no issue. It certainly didn’t feel like a 295g 310sw 55RA frame. Those would usually wobble and twist way too much to be usable

 

[3loudboys]

That's the psychological effect, when 1-2 people say it's trash the next ones are influenced by this opinion, and at the end everybody has the same opinion. Typical human reaction ;-)

You got in there before me. Anyone in a position of influence will effect the thoughts of those around them - becomes infectious. It’s much harder to stand aside from your group with a different opinion - particularly when there is so much strong negative feeling.


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[Pro_Tour_630]

I found this hard to imagine unless it’s strung absurdly bad, your student changed way too many specs at once leading to severe timing issues, or his technique generally is problematic.

sorry my students have good technique, I have been stringing for 40 years and we used the same string at mid to low tension...

 

[OlivierJulienB]

Typically I am considering Clash as my future racquet and am looking for objective and useful experiences with it.
95% of this thread is unfortunately totally useless.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

I’m sorry, but if you don’t think the frame is stable and comfortable at its weight I’m going to doubt your ability to play tennis.

agree it is mostly for 3.5 ladies with deep pockets

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

That's the psychological effect, when 1-2 people say it's trash the next ones are influenced by this opinion, and at the end everybody has the same opinion. Typical human reaction ;-)

same with when everyone hypes it here on TW and wilson is hyping it ,,,,,,,,,, the opposite is true,,,,,,,,

 

[SpinToWin]

agree it is mostly for 3.5 ladies with deep pockets

Man you’ve got a hate campaign against this frame that’s making it hard for me to take anything you’re writing seriously.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

I only added some weight at 12 to add plowthrough cause I felt it wasn’t winning contact with the ball I was used to (but I’m coming off a head-weighted XL frame!). But stability was no issue. It certainly didn’t feel like a 295g 310sw 55RA frame. Those would usually wobble and twist way too much to be usable

so now you are adding weight for polwthrough ?!?!? I I thought you said it was stable,,,,,,,,,,, you know sometimes we do hit off center ,,,,,,,, not every hits perfect center,,,,,,,,,,, LOL

 

[OlivierJulienB]

same with when everyone hypes it here on TW and wilson is hyping it ,,,,,,,,,, the opposite is true,,,,,,,,

This is true, I agree with that (was going to write the same)

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

You got in there before me. Anyone in a position of influence will effect the thoughts of those around them - becomes infectious. It’s much harder to stand aside from your group with a different opinion - particularly when there is so much strong negative feeling.


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I thought the opposite there was strong positive feeling,,,,,,,,,,,, hence my post LOL

 

[SpinToWin]

By the way, the comma ellipses aren’t helping.

@OlivierJulienB I think the frame really benefits from some weight at 12. It’s torsionally stable IME, but it benefits from some added plowthrough as the balls you face get heavier. I’ve added only 3g and it felt perfectly fine against what would probably be good 4.5s on indoor carpet.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Here is something:
Every racquet Wilson makes is TRASH

Spoiler: Spoiler

Except the legendary Pro Staff line before the RF97

agree sadly

 

[wangs78]

When Wilson chose the name Clash they doomed the line for good.

 

[SpinToWin]

so now you are adding weight for polwthrough ?!?!? I I thought you said it was stable,,,,,,,,,,, you know sometimes we do hit off center ,,,,,,,, not every hits perfect center,,,,,,,,,,, LOL

Yes the two things can be true at once. Plowthrough ain’t the same as stability.

 

[3loudboys]

I thought the opposite there was strong positive feeling,,,,,,,,,,,, hence my post LOL

Just sounds like you didn’t like the frame and the marketing has amplified your hate for it. Strange you see that as positive? In all fairness every company markets rackets, it’s what they do, those executives have kids that gotta eat. Your chosen brand Head have done a fair bit in their time and the Graphene stuff was hilarious and potentially damaging to joints. Babolat got caught out with their GT tech and the list goes on.


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[3loudboys]

When Wilson chose the name Clash they doomed the line for good.

Why?


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[Pro_Tour_630]

And let you trash on a racquet I think fills a good niche and which I would recommend to a large majority of the tennis playing population? Yeah, no.

it sounds like I am trashing your girlfriend LOL it is just a racquet nothing personal LOL ,,,,,,,,,,,, listen I have been the first member at TW since 1999 and you are questioning my objectivity LOL so funny

 

[TennisHound]

The Prestige Pro XT is still king if you know how to reduce the SW ( i know how ) other than that I have nothing else to say...........

The XT Prestige Pro?!! I was listening until you said that. lol

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

Torsional stability is not the same as plowthrough.

I mean different things when I say I want more plowthrough or I want more stability. I add weight at 12 for the former and weight at 3/9 for the latter.

if you feel it is stable on off center hits let us know

 

[3loudboys]

it sounds like I am trashing your girlfriend LOL it is just a racquet nothing personal LOL ,,,,,,,,,,,, listen I have been the first member at TW since 1999 and you are questioning my objectivity LOL so funny

How does being an older member of the forum guarantee objectivity? Forgive me but at face value from these posts it appears to be quite the reverse.


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[Pro_Tour_630]

The XT Prestige Pro?!! I was listening until you said that. lol

funny how you did not stop listening when I said the old 14 15 blades were the best thing from wilson