At 48, the poly crosses' real tension ends up being higher than 48 as the soft gut mains isn't putting up much resistance on the crosses while stringing. The crosses ends up dominating the feel so you've basically wasted the gut's benefit really.
As mentioned above, go much higher on the gut mains like 60/48 and allow for a few hours of breaking for the gut to soften up. I'm usually at 63/49 on a Blade 101L.
Gut/poly actually ends up being cheaper than full bed poly as its playability is much longer and changes very little after break in. I usually restring the poly crosses (reversed weave) also when they go dead while the gut mains are still good. Full poly playability duration sucks and changes almost hourly it seems. I still use full poly as it does offer better control in hot wheather where gut/poly can be too powerful.
This is false. Unless not calibrated properly, no machine pulls higher than reference tension.
FWIW, I string my NG/Poly at 60/56 in a 16x20 with great success. (for several years...)
Any other fans of VS and Lynx Tour? So far my favorite combo, but have been trying to dial in tension for a while now in my VCore pro
I’ve been using 1.30 X one biphase in place of gut recently and still works quite well. Main reason being is because I string myself and was able to get a reel of it, with reels of gut not being a thing.
I keep one racquet with X-one as well, for wetter conditions, etc.
It's an "ok" substitute and as good as it gets as far as one goes, IMO.
But it doesn't last as long (playability) for me. Still a good option in lieu
of the NG for a similar feel.
Perhaps, he means the overall stringbed stiffness. That's what you feel hitting the ball.This is false. Unless not calibrated properly, no machine pulls higher than reference tension.
FWIW, I string my NG/Poly at 60/56 in a 16x20 with great success. (for several years...)
I agree. Having a machine at home i don’t mind having to restring more often. Poly will die faster than a natural gut will as well, so it just makes sense for me to use it. if i was a professional i’d probably use gut instead of X one but it’s a great string. I will tell anyone looking to check it out to use paraffin wax when stringing to avoid string burn if you are stringing with a poly, especially any rough or shaped variety.I keep one racquet with X-one as well, for wetter conditions, etc.
It's an "ok" substitute and as good as it gets as far as one goes, IMO.
But it doesn't last as long (playability) for me. Still a good option in lieu
of the NG for a similar feel.
Perhaps, he means the overall stringbed stiffness. That's what you feel hitting the ball.
I agree with him about stringing the gut around 60# and the poly crosses approximately 10# less. This also gives me the best results.
Not really noticeable imo, this string job certainly isn’t an economical choice though…To me the shape is hardly noticeable, it is not a sharp string and I don’t notice any more sawing than I would from something like say alu roughYou aren't finding that Lynx Tour saws through the gut mains quickly?
Any other fans of VS and Lynx Tour? So far my favorite combo, but have been trying to dial in tension for a while now in my VCore pro
ALU Power rough is textured but not really sharp. Probably doesn't saw through the mains as quickly as some sharp X-sided string.I would think you would gain less from a textured cross (regarding spin)
as opposed to a thin, slick, softer poly that will allow great snapback
for the NG mains. I would definitely think it would saw through it quicker.
I realize Fed did this, but he had a new stick every ball change.
I rarely, for the life he the stringbed, have crooked strings with my NG/Poly setup.
I hit with moderate topspin, so they are returning to position.
Poly Tour FireGuys, if any of you gonna try Gut/Poly, im going to save you a lot of hassle. Just strung it with Tier One GhostWire 1.27mm and call it a dat. There isnt better cross option on the maket. GW 1.27 holds tension really well, gives good control and spin due to very slick surface.
I never use full poly. Bad for the arm. Gut-poly will last until the gut breaks.so it's 60/50..and just for reference, when you use full bed poly, what's your tension.?.
thinking of trying first time gut/poly (never tried gut)...now i string my v5 blade 18x20 and RS 305 18x19 ,at 22/21 (49/46)
Agree. Get the smoothest, hardest poly for the cross. The more movement of mains over crosses, the better.I would think you would gain less from a textured cross (regarding spin)
as opposed to a thin, slick, softer poly that will allow great snapback
for the NG mains. I would definitely think it would saw through it quicker.
I realize Fed did this, but he had a new stick every ball change.
I rarely, for the life he the stringbed, have crooked strings with my NG/Poly setup.
I hit with moderate topspin, so they are returning to position.
I never use full poly. Bad for the arm. Gut-poly will last until the gut breaks.
Does that ever happen to you?Or the poly breaks...
J
Or it goes dead and you need to replace the poly, 2-3 times.Or the poly breaks...
J
I have heard that strings like ALU Pwr Rough work well for cross as it was compared to a golf ball. The dimples work with the airflow somehow and the design of the ALU Rough does something similar.I would think you would gain less from a textured cross (regarding spin)
as opposed to a thin, slick, softer poly that will allow great snapback
for the NG mains. I would definitely think it would saw through it quicker.
I realize Fed did this, but he had a new stick every ball change.
I rarely, for the life he the stringbed, have crooked strings with my NG/Poly setup.
I hit with moderate topspin, so they are returning to position.
I have a 16U to ranked player breaking his VST/ALU string bed on the mains about 80% of the time and crosses 20%. Even when the mains are busted, you can see how worn/flat the crosses have become. Granted he does get a lot of court hours with coaches and practice partnersDoes that ever happen to you?
Seems like a tough challenge.
Since I switched to Prince tex 310 16x18 (from 6.1 16x118), I haven't thought to try gut since its pretty open. (but actually very well distributed to not seem too open.)
Anybody try gut on this frame ? ..what combo (poly cross ? ) ?
Now I'm like " I gotta do the gut again" )
Ok interesting, I imagine the ALU is thinner?I have a 16U to ranked player breaking his VST/ALU string bed on the mains about 80% of the time and crosses 20%. Even when the mains are busted, you can see how worn/flat the crosses have become. Granted he does get a lot of court hours with coaches and practice partners
yes it isOk interesting, I imagine the ALU is thinner?
Does that ever happen to you?
Seems like a tough challenge.
Or it goes dead and you need to replace the poly, 2-3 times.
I agree with anything other than poly mains. String jobs with poly mains really should be cut out when the poly dies (unless you're breaking it before then) for long-term health reasons if you don't mind the performance drop. But if poly is in the crosses and gut, multi, synthetic, zyex (anything other than poly) in the mains, yeah, go ahead and play till it breaks.Man I am not on that princess and the pea mumbo jumbo. I hit the ball until something breaks.
J
Would have believed you without a photo but cool to see
Would have believed you without a photo but cool to see
What's the cross, alu rough?
Surely rough from the picture then.Alu, not sure if rough or smooth. I can hardly tell the difference.
J
You are young and maybe you are also using poly with good tension maintainance?Man I am not on that princess and the pea mumbo jumbo. I hit the ball until something breaks.
J
Young is a strong word.You are young and maybe you are also using poly with good tension maintainance?
Thin poly cross plays great short term but saw into the gut mains faster longer term. Thicker slick cross will maintain the gut for longer it seems.
I'm using GW16 currently and my string bed lasts forever, 50-60 hrs, whereby I would restring the crosses (opposite weave) mid way once they've lost too much tension.
That's why some are raving about rectangular shaped strings with rounded edges like Isospeed Rexxxer and Grapplesnake Irukandji. More surface area contact to not saw into the gut mains. Trying to get my hands on some to confirm this.
Is it technical possible to replace only the poly crosses while retaining gut?Or it goes dead and you need to replace the poly, 2-3 times.
As long as the poly is tied off on itself and not the gut, yes, it is possible. However, the majority of people would agree that it's a bad idea. It's not good for the racquet, not good for the mains, and you don't get all that much benefit out of it.Is it technical possible to replace only the poly crosses while retaining gut?
what about vs 1.35/rpm blast 1.25 crosses?
I just had my Blade Pro strung with VS gut/Hawk Rough
54/50What tension did you go with?
I've been using 1.25mm Revolve for years as my cross. A prestretch goes a long way with it. Great access to spin.Wilson Revolve has a stupidly low friction ratio... would make a great cross with gut mains no?
Yes Revolve loses tension faster than any string i have ever tried.. good string for 40 minutes though...I've been using 1.25mm Revolve for years as my cross. A prestretch goes a long way with it. Great access to spin.