The Nadal/Djokovic AO/FO "double curse" is finally broken.

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
I had posted a thread about a year ago that Nadal 100% can't win AO again because of the incredible amount of bad luck he'd had there - plus the resulting lack of confidence that comes with such a negative history of late-stage failures (meaning the many QF/F defeats/injuries).

It is fascinating though how superbly that thread worked as a vaccine to cure Nadal of his aussiephobia. Perhaps believers in the "jinx anti-jinx conspiracy theories" are on to something... Maybe tennis can be influenced with magic. Voodoo too?

(If you recall, I also had a thread explaining how Rafa only won FOs as long as I was traveling to Spain every year. When I didn't go to Spain (2015/16) he didn't win them, and when I last year again failed to show up in Spain he again failed to win it. I had been in Spain 2011-2014, 2017-2020. All facts, not making this stuff up at all.)

Speaking of vaccinations, this whole thing is doubly weird considering the fact that Novak had cured his own fear - frenchophobia - just half a year earlier!!! His FO 21 title. He finally managed to win another one, which he thoroughly deserved. Just as Nadal deserved finally getting that 2nd AO. By "deserve" I mean both players' track records there.

Did Djokovic get an anti-frenchophobia vaccine? Is that what made the turnaround possible?

Most likely not.
He hates needles.

It is rather interesting that both of these curses were broken in a row, within just 7 months. Rafa's curse had lasted 13 years, Novak's lasted 6 years. (Of course, prior to that Novak had his long-running can't-win-FO-at-all curse, which lasted for about a decade, and which kind of morphed into this later can't-win-another-FO curse.)

Rafa winning AO 22 is almost as if he were saying "You won MY SLAM (again), so now I will WIN YOURS (again)." As revenge, almost. (The difference being that Rafa didn't get to beat Djokovic, the way Djokovic beat him at the FO. But hey: who's fault is that! Nobody forced Novak to acquire a vaccinophobia... which very ironically can only be cured with... a vaccine.)

Another fascinating fact:

Djokovic was 1-4 in FO finales before breaking the curse.
Nadal was 1-4 in AO finales before breaking the curse.

Federer is 1-4 at FO...

Which means he needs to win FO again to have all 4 slams at least twice - as the other two have now.
 
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mike danny

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No I just want you to not be ridiculous lol. This was Danills 4th slam final and he smoked Djokovic who was going for the same thing as Rafa.
Yeah, so? It doesn't change what I said. They still managed the DCGS thanks to the Next Gen.

Roddick pushed prime Fed to 16-14 in the 5th of a slam final, but apparently he is on Baghdatis and Phillippoussis's level. Come on, man.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Yeah, so? It doesn't change what I said. They still managed the DCGS thanks to the Next Gen.

Roddick pushed prime Fed to 16-14 in the 5th of a slam final, but apparently he is on Baghdatis and Phillippoussis's level. Come on, man.

I know its painful, you're still my brother :D
 

NeutralFan

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@mike danny i don't wanna get in to weak era and all but 2003-07 period was incredibly boring as a non Fed fan. this era has slam race narrative between the three guys ( now 2 you can say )
 

utsd21

Rookie
Just one question , did you believe he's going to win when he was 2 sets down ?

yes
when Daniil failed to convert a gazillion of break points in the 3rd, I knew that Rafa had a foot in the door
when Daniil started to trade drop shots with Rafa, hitting into Rafa's racket instead of winners into the open court, it was clear that the match now is on Rafa's racket
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
You think Roddick at least wasn't better than these guys, man?

He should have been, and he had 50 chances after 2003 to be. He could never get it done, he's the guy that got me into men's tennis when I only cared about Venus and Serena. But his Wimbledon 09 is just as bad as all the nextgen fails. He may as well have retired in 2004.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
He should have been, and he had 50 chances after 2003 to be. He could never get it done, he's the guy that got me into men's tennis when I only cared about Venus and Serena. But his Wimbledon 09 is just as bad as all the nextgen fails. He may as well have retired in 2004.
No, it's not. He choked against prime Roger Federer, not a 35 year old Fed. The Next Gen would have never got into such a position against prime Big 3.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
You think Roddick at least wasn't better than these guys, man?
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Prime A Rod will definately do some serious damage on grass in this era . Not sure about hc since modern day hc game has become a backboard game that requires great movement , great defense . But at the end of the day it's hypothetical .
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
No I just want you to not be ridiculous lol. This was Danills 4th slam final and he smoked Djokovic who was going for the same thing as Rafa.

He was also smoked by Djoker AO 21 in straights. Big difference between the season kickoff and the end of a grueling slam year when Djoker claimed everything and was cooked. Sorry, but I've just read this one too many times.
 

utsd21

Rookie
Not true at all as far as entertainment is concerned.

Really?
I stopped watching full matches, knowing in advance the outcome :)

Tried to watch the AO open final, probably first full time match in 7 years, and couldn't watch it till the end. It was too boring and too predictable
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
No, as horrible as this era is - at least in terms of young talent stepping up - the Fed-domination era was excruciating. It was the dictionary definition of tedium.

Any sports need headline , narratives , some race , rivalry etc or it becomes boring. If you are in to boxing you would know Vitali Klitschko lost just two fight in his life and was leading in both untill he got ( injured ) still , Vitali and his Brother's era is seen as one of the most boring era in boxing. There was no narrative , no rivalries , No excitement amoung the fan. I still believe H2H Vitali is the greatest boxer ever but his resume doesn't have that many big names , or may be he was that good.
 
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TheNachoMan

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No, it's not. He choked against prime Roger Federer, not a 35 year old Fed. The Next Gen would have never got into such a position against prime Big 3.
Roddick got his ass kicked by Federer all the time. Yes, Fed was younger and much better but it was still just as predictable as it is now.
 

The Blond Blur

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UnderratedSlam

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Fed lost 5 matches in 2006 and 4 were to Nadal lol. The bias! The tour might as well not have existed then.
The slam titles were always Fed's - well in advance - and the ease with which he was beating everyone made the ATP look like a shooting gallery, with Fed as a raging psycho-killer and all the other players being helpless, frightened little ducks.

Unfortunately, this era is only marginally better. And by "this era" I don't mean 2011 onwards or even 2015 onwards. I mean the last 2-3 years.

At least 5-6 years ago we had an intact Big 3 so there was some measure of uncertainty who'd win a slam (that uncertainty being dependent on the slam in question, of course). Now it's just a one-man show similar to Fed's Era, our only hope of variety being Medvedev and Djokovic refusing to vaccinate...
 

utsd21

Rookie
Fed lost 5 matches in 2006 and 4 were to Nadal lol. The bias! The tour might as well not have existed then.

wanna tell us how many losses Novak had in 2015? and how many of them were delivered if we exclude 1 named Roger?
or how many young guys dominated the tour since then? :)
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Any sports need headline , narratives , some race , rivalry etc or it becomes boring. If you are in to boxing you would know Vitali Klitschko lost just two fight in his life and was leading in both untill he got ( injured ) still , Vitali and his Brother's era is seen as one of the most boring era in boxing. There was no narrative , no rivalries , No excitement amoung the fan. I still believe H2H Vitali is the greatest boxer ever but his resume doesn't have that many big names , or may be he was that good.
He wasn't that good. Not as good as you're letting on anyway.
 

utsd21

Rookie
One big difference is here there are two 3 guys winning the slams and there is a narrative of slam race .

ok, which are the 3 guys having a shot in Melbourne?
which are the 3 guys having a shot in Paris?
which are the 3 guys having a shot in London?
which are the 3 guys having a shot in New York?
 

NeutralFan

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He wasn't that good. Not as good as you're letting on anyway.

I just stared the fact , he never lost a full match or even trailed but his and his brothers era was like Fed's 2004-07 so HW becomes most boring. there was no storyline , no rivalry going on for the HW boxing. how good was he and WK ( his bro) ? Well, same question tennis fans ask of fed's domination .
 
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