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[winged_sandals]

Hi, welcome. I am a user of the DR98+ and am looking to get an extended version of the Angell TC100. May I ask why you went with 27.25 and not 27.5 which is same length as the DR98+. How does the TC100 27.25 play compared to the DR98+? Also would love to hear how you find the new TC101 too once you have played with it. In your experience should I go with a 27.5 or a 27.25.

Thanks
S

Thank you. I enjoyed very much the way DR 98 + played, because it was like a DR 98 on steroids. It helped me significantly to increase the speed of my serve and to consistently find deep with my 2HBH. Of course that all the extra power came at a small cost of manueverability, especially at net.
However, in my opinion, Angell frames are just of an overall higher quality than Yonex (and I used to be a hardcore fan of that brand). I think that is very likely that coming from the DR 98 + you will be glad with either extended version of the TC100.
In my case, I just wanted to try something completely new and it pay off nicely. I also decided to order a 27.25 inches length, because I wanted a slightly higher swingweight, but I was afraid that 27.5 inches would increase it too much. Besides, I remember that when I was tired at the end of a match, it was sometimes difficult to generate enough topspin with my forehand with the DR 98+. I have not had that issue with 27.25 inches frames. I usually play on slow red clay courts, and some long matches can last many hours. I believe that the TC100 27.25 plays better than the DR 98 + in every aspect. I can point out that it gives me a more powerful and controllable response. It is aldo much more manueverable with its thinner beam. Above all, maybe its greatest attribute is the spin potential, which is crucial for my game. I do not know what length would fit you better, but a 27.25 might be a more conservative move. As you can appreciate, I am very happy with my current pair of TC 100, but I could not refrain myself from the tempting TC101.
I hope my experience helps you a little bit.

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[SteveXtreme1978]

Thank you. I enjoyed very much the way DR 98 + played, because it was like a DR 98 on steroids. It helped me significantly to increase the speed of my serve and to consistently find deep with my 2HBH. Of course that all the extra power came at a small cost of manueverability, especially at net.
However, in my opinion, Angell frames are just of an overall higher quality than Yonex (and I used to be a hardcore fan of that brand). I think that is very likely that coming from the DR 98 + you will be glad with either extended version of the TC100.
In my case, I just wanted to try something completely new and it pay off nicely. I also decided to order a 27.25 inches length, because I wanted a slightly higher swingweight, but I was afraid that 27.5 inches would increase it too much. Besides, I remember that when I was tired at the end of a match, it was sometimes difficult to generate enough topspin with my forehand with the DR 98+. I have not had that issue with 27.25 inches frames. I usually play on slow red clay courts, and some long matches can last many hours. I believe that the TC100 27.25 plays better than the DR 98 + in every aspect. I can point out that it gives me a more powerful and controllable response. It is aldo much more manueverable with its thinner beam. Above all, maybe its greatest attribute is the spin potential, which is crucial for my game. I do not know what length would fit you better, but a 27.25 might be a more conservative move. As you can appreciate, I am very happy with my current pair of TC 100, but I could not refrain myself from the tempting TC101.
I hope my experience helps you a little bit.

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Thanks for the detail feedback, its very useful.

 

[topspn]

Whoever gets the new TC101 Octane PJ, will need to post some good pics showing off that PJ

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

Actually I find TC100 to be not flexible at all. Very firm hoop. Not a fan of the feel

that's why Paul is doing the 101... many find the D beam's even flex to be stiff because they associate head flex with frame flex. D beams (especially ra 63 flex in the throat more than the head. I like this beacuse Ive often prefered frames with smaller amounts of head deformation. For me the TC95 RA 63 is a classic and just to perfect to consider anything else... though Id like one in a green or this new TC101's iridescent colorscheme.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

Interesting, I had a severe elbow problem and I think playing with the TC95 63RA and TC100 63RA saved my elbow.

I have had both DR98 and 3 different Phantoms including 100P and 93P, DR98 plays firmer than the Angell racquets, and the Phantoms put more strain to my elbow as they were to low powered.

TC100 and TC95 is the only racquets that have allowed me to play full poly setup, any other racquets and my elbow goes south.

Both TC95 and TC100 (tried the TC97 but did not like that feeling) are both powerful racquets, so I guess you could call them firm, but they are for sure arm friendly racquets for my sensitive arm.

Interesting their are som many different opinions about racquet and strings (what is soft and what is not), I only listen to my elbow that will tell me what is a healthy setup and what is not - and I did try a lot of different strings and racquets. There was an Angel that saved my tennis, when I was about to give up due to injury.

Both are very string sensitive too... this is an old debate that will never be settled but we all have different ideas as to what makes a stick comfortable. Some require head flex, others are sensitive to certain vibrations causede by specific string jobs. The trick with any stick is to find a setup with the right performance characteristics and feel. I grew up with the max 200g, which had a very even dynamic flex and low deformation. Paul made the very last 200G for Steffi Graf BTW. Got to hit on friday... gotta say the TC95 is like an extension of my arm. Now I need to check if RSlyon is still available because that's my goldilocks string with the TC95. Any new strings I should try out that are similar for big hitters?

 

[Starred]

Which Angell would be best for tennis elbow?

 

[1990's Graphite]

Which Angell would be best for tennis elbow?

K7 red is super plush. Tried it a few times. Not much free power but lovely feel !

 

[t_pac]

K7 is the frame I used while I was re-habbing my elbow

 

[esm]

Which Angell would be best for tennis elbow?

ime - any RA63 without poly would be ideal
depends if you prefer the D beam or the Box beam

 

[ChrisG]

Definitely K7 red is the most confortable. It’s a shame it lacks power to be efficient in competition (from my experience). But it’s a great holiday/training/rehab stick

 

[ed70]

Which Angell would be best for tennis elbow?

after a rest I found any of the Angell range strung between 40-50lbs to be fine in a soft poly.

 

[krikamons]

i think it would be nice if some plain vanilla colours were on offer too. otherwise it's only a choice between a drug cartel and the milky way galaxy editions. pls don't discriminate against players who'd like to remain unnoticed on court
I've blacked out the golden bits on my v3
but don't get me wrong - the racquets are great

 

[ed70]

Definitely K7 red is the most confortable. It’s a shame it lacks power to be efficient in competition (from my experience). But it’s a great holiday/training/rehab stick

very unstable without adding a stack of weight I found, but like you say nice for a bit of coaching or social tennis. Gave one of mine to a talented 12 year old lad at the club & he’s thriving with it.

 

[ed70]

i think it would be nice if some plain vanilla colours were on offer too. otherwise it's only a choice between a drug cartel and the milky way galaxy editions. pls don't discriminate against players who'd like to remain unnoticed on court
I've blacked out the golden bits on my v3
but don't get me wrong - the racquets are great

 

[OlgaOM]

Which Angell would be best for tennis elbow?

I found heavier V3 racquets are easier on my elbow. That’s being said, K7 Red was not the best for my TE (I’m obviously a minority here in this regard)...

 

[ChrisG]

very unstable without adding a stack of weight I found, but like you say nice for a bit of coaching or social tennis. Gave one of mine to a talented 12 year old lad at the club & he’s thriving with it.

Totally agree. I ended up adding a lot of lead to it and not really liked it either. Now only a few grams at 10 and 2, and the stick is good for some recreational tennis. I keep my ultimate beast tc95 for the competition

 

[ed70]

I found heavier V3 racquets are easier on my elbow. That’s being said, K7 Red was not the best for my TE (I’m obviously a minority here in this regard)...

I found the distinct lack of plough stressed my arm against quality heavy hitters. Whereas when I changed to my 325sw TC97 it was a different ball game. TC’s are solid frames.

 

[Pneumated1]

... For me the TC95 RA 63 is a classic and just to perfect to consider anything else... though Id like one in a green or this new TC101's iridescent colorscheme.

I have wayward thoughts about other frames at times, but they're usually fleeting. Into my third year with a TC95, and I have to agree; I'm too locked in and know the frame so well. Plus, I know that I can order this exact frame in the future, hopefully in the TC101 color scheme.

 

[esm]

I have wayward thoughts about other frames at times, but they're usually fleeting. Into my third year with a TC95, and I have to agree; I'm too locked in and know the frame so well. Plus, I know that I can order this exact frame in the future, hopefully in the TC101 color scheme.

i am sure it'd look nice with the Angell blue string too..
i had TC95 with blue grommets and Halo 3, it played and looked great.
just bought a reel of Halo 3.... i will see if they'd play as nicely on the Blade 98 18x20 and the Pure Strike 98 16x19

 

[ChrisG]

What do you think of their strings? I’ve only used black knight on tc95 but I’m curious because you hear very little on their string offering.
What would be their control oriented performance poly ?

 

[ChrisG]

And did I already say that I want this octane color for the whole TC range ?!!!

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

I have wayward thoughts about other frames at times, but they're usually fleeting. Into my third year with a TC95, and I have to agree; I'm too locked in and know the frame so well. Plus, I know that I can order this exact frame in the future, hopefully in the TC101 color scheme.

Yes!

 

[ed70]

What do you think of their strings? I’ve only used black knight on tc95 but I’m curious because you hear very little on their string offering.
What would be their control oriented performance poly ?

ive not hit with their new strings, but found Halo 1,2 & 3, ghastly lol.

 

[ChrisG]

Well I hope the new strings are better then

 

[Aiquc]

Hi, what are technical and playbility differences between Angell TC95 and TC97? And another question, I've seen in previous comments that every 0.25 inch supposed an increase of 10 points of SW: What is the SW of the standard length racquet? If I know this data I could make an estimation for my frames SW and choose the better weight option for me.

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[itsstephenyo]

Hi, what are technical and playbility differences between Angell TC95 and TC97? And another question, I've seen in previous comments that every 0.25 inch supposed an increase of 10 points of SW: What is the SW of the standard length racquet? If I know this data I could make an estimation for my frames SW and choose the better weight option for me.

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If you go back a few pages, there are several comparisons between those very two racquets.

 

[tpro2000]

So I found a super easy way to flare the bottom of the butt cap (I have a C shape Angell pallet) and it worked to perfection. I feel like I can anchor in my hand better.

 

[FourOutOfFive]

So I found a super easy way to flare the bottom of the butt cap (I have a C shape Angell pallet) and it worked to perfection. I feel like I can anchor in my hand better.

Let’s hear it!

 

[tpro2000]

I used this video to do it simply, and it held perfectly when I hit with it. I can see where it could slip but it didn't

How to build up a butt cap

 

[itsstephenyo]

I'm weird, the lower part of my hand hangs off the buttpad. My pinkie and ring finger wrap around the buttpad itself.

 

[djNEiGht]

I used this video to do it simply, and it held perfectly when I hit with it. I can see where it could slip but it didn't

How to build up a butt cap

cool. nice way to mod without having to take off the base grip. I've done similar under the base grip with athletic tape and or lead tape.

I think @JOSHL might have something to say about flaring the butt cap

 

[djNEiGht]

I'm weird, the lower part of my hand hangs off the buttpad. My pinkie and ring finger wrap around the buttpad itself.

interesting.

 

[ONgame]

I'm weird, the lower part of my hand hangs off the buttpad. My pinkie and ring finger wrap around the buttpad itself.

I hold racuqets the exact same way as you.

 

[Happi]

me too

 

[topspn]

I'm weird, the lower part of my hand hangs off the buttpad. My pinkie and ring finger wrap around the buttpad itself.

Well yes, unless someone wants to hold using three fingers only which would be weird. You sound pretty normal

 

[itsstephenyo]

Interesting, most people I've seen are more choked up on the racquet than all the way down at the buttcap. I haven't ever met someone who holds the racquet as far down as I do.

 

[djNEiGht]

I feel like I have my pinky right on the edge

 

[tpro2000]

I'm weird, the lower part of my hand hangs off the buttpad. My pinkie and ring finger wrap around the buttpad itself.

I don't think that's weird at all. I know many that do that!

I've always had the button of the cap in the fleshy part of the palm pad, and my pinky the couple centimeters above the bottom.

I just hit with it again and I love that locked in feeling.

Next is to build it up like Gasquet! Jk [emoji23][emoji23]

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[mutian.y]

Just purchased TC95 18x20. Looking for string and tension recommendations. I appreciate any input! Thanks.

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[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Just purchased TC95 18x20. Looking for string and tension recommendations. I appreciate any input! Thanks.

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I strung mine with MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm (yellow colour) @ 48M/45C and it was awesome. I will try Volkl Cyclone 18L (1.15mm) at similar tension, as well as, Tier One Black Knight, Weiss Cannon Red Ghost, and Gut Mains/ Smooth poly crosses.

 

[coolo118]

I am working my way down in tension, now playing with Tourna Silver 7 Tour at 42/40 on TC100, plays great ans still full control. I will god 40/38 on next string job as the S7T holds tension very well. My first experience with low tension poly, so any advice with tension and soft strings (with good tension stability) will be appreciated. How low can you go and still have control.

In my other Tc100 I have a hybrid of Gut / Isospeed professional Classic at 57/59 and it plays really great.

Have not had any luck with finding a good multi for the TC100, strings move all around, and I can't controll very well.

Gyt/poly hybrid for TC100, I am still on the outlook for the right cross string and tension, experimenting but have not found the setup yet. Next on my list is Grapplesnake Irukandji for a cross. For now my Gut/Iso hybrid play the best.

Do you play with your gut/poly set up till it snaps? If so, how long does gut/poly last you in the tc 100? Do you like to hit with a lot of spin?

 

[BBender716]

Really tempted by the ASL2. I currently rotate between Blade v7 18x20 and TC95 RA70 320g. What's a good non-Angell racquet comp for the ASL2?

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[Happi]

Do you play with your gut/poly set up till it snaps? If so, how long does gut/poly last you in the tc 100? Do you like to hit with a lot of spin?

yes I play with a fair amount of spin.

I am still looking for the right gut/poly setup, I rally dont break the gut but I cut out the poly and restring. I am used to the gut/isospeed and string at higher tension 26kg/27kg and this setup plays really soft. Perhaps I string the gut too high in my gut/poly setup 25kg/20kg. The gut/iso last a long time, then the iso starts to fray and I cut out the cross and replace with a new string, and it plays great again,

I really like a FB of soft poly in the TC100, and I am experimenting with Sergitti Stringing Method and at this stage all I can say is: wow this is great. I am playing two matched racquets with same string and tension, one is strung as normal the other the Sergetti way.

cheers

 

[esm]

I really like a FB of soft poly in the TC100, and I am experimenting with Sergitti Stringing Method and at this stage all I can say is: wow this is great. I am playing two matched racquets with same string and tension, one is strung as normal the other the Sergetti way.

cheers

does the Sergetti way really give you the 70% sweetspot, as claimed?

 

[ed70]

I don't think that's weird at all. I know many that do that!

I've always had the button of the cap in the fleshy part of the palm pad, and my pinky the couple centimeters above the bottom.

I just hit with it again and I love that locked in feeling.

Next is to build it up like Gasquet! Jk [emoji23][emoji23]

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[/QUOTE)

also play with half my hand lower than buttcap for serve & groundstrokes but change grip position Higher on handle when volleying.
I’ve often ended up with a wobble in the lower part of the handle due to this, sent a few Angells back to Counter this, also had serious movement on a few head prestige’s & a blade over the years.

 

[Happi]

does the Sergetti way really give you the 70% sweetspot, as claimed?

Hard to say exactly how much, but for sure the stringed feels much nicer, more harmonic, even and softer too.

I hit again this morning and I seem to hit everything in the sweet spot, not sure if that was the case but it sure felt like it.

Sergetti prices has come down, and there is still an Angell discount to apply, so I highly recommend to try it out.

Cheers

 

[esm]

Hard to say exactly how much, but for sure the stringed feels much nicer, more harmonic, even and softer too.

I hit again this morning and I seem to hit everything in the sweet spot, not sure if that was the case but it sure felt like it.

Sergetti prices has come down, and there is still an Angell discount to apply, so I highly recommend to try it out.

Cheers

Thanks for that. With this, does it mean you must need to know what is your string and tension of choice on a particular racquet?
What if there are two tension setups, does that mean you need to pay for two sheets? (Genuine question. Thanks.)

 

[winged_sandals]

yes I play with a fair amount of spin.

I am still looking for the right gut/poly setup, I rally dont break the gut but I cut out the poly and restring. I am used to the gut/isospeed and string at higher tension 26kg/27kg and this setup plays really soft. Perhaps I string the gut too high in my gut/poly setup 25kg/20kg. The gut/iso last a long time, then the iso starts to fray and I cut out the cross and replace with a new string, and it plays great again,

I really like a FB of soft poly in the TC100, and I am experimenting with Sergitti Stringing Method and at this stage all I can say is: wow this is great. I am playing two matched racquets with same string and tension, one is strung as normal the other the Sergetti way.

cheers

I agree that the Sergetti Method really feels great. And I would add that the playability of the stringjob seems to last longer. My favourite setup in the TC100 63 RA is Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.20 at 25.3kg in the mains and Halo 2 at 23.8 in the crosses.


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[Happi]

Thanks for that. With this, does it mean you must need to know what is your string and tension of choice on a particular racquet?
What if there are two tension setups, does that mean you need to pay for two sheets? (Genuine question. Thanks.)

The way Sergetti stringing works (as far as I understand) is that Sergetti has a database of Racquets and Strings and you chose your Racquet, your string and your tension and they will send you a tension sheet. I think stringing works best with an electronic stringing head, or you can bring the sheet to your stringer.

Sergetti har 5 categories of strings 1-5 and it is shown at tha database in (x) after each string. I am sure there is more to it, but to me it seems like is corresponds with string stiffness (I guess this has to do with how much the string is stretching during stringing) Kevlar would be a (1), Monogut ZX would be a (5). If your favorite string (gauge matters too) is a (3) and you want to try another string that is also a (3) you can use the same tension sheet if you use the same tension.

The way that I do it is that I try out different strings and tension, strung the conventional way and I end up with a favorite combination for my TC100 - this could be Head Sonic Pro 17 (4 in Sergetti terms) at mains 22kg and crosses 21kg - then you type in these info at Sergetti and pay via PayPal and very shortly after they will send you a specific tension sheet.

Actually you don't need to have different tension between mains and crosses as Sergetti takes this into account, so the above example would equals 21.5kg by Sergetti method.

To answer your question, yes you have to order a new tension sheet for each parameter you change: Racquet, strings (only if in another category) and tension - so this is kind of the bad news if you play around with a lot of different racquets, strings and tensions (like I do).

The good news is that this method actually works, and me being a non believer (I can kind of understand the idea, but was not so sure I could feel anything different) I had to give in and accept that my stringed felt so much nicer.

In my tension sheet (19.5 kg) for a poly and TC100 - string variation goes from 22.6kg down to 14.5kg (one string all the way down to 7.7kg) - I was very sceptic when I installed, but very surprised when I played with the strinbed.

Dont take my word for it, but chose your favorite combination, and try it out - it cost nothing more than a set of Lux strings (Remember the Angell promo code for 25% off). If you have 2 matched racquets you can play the two string beds (conventional and Sergetti) back to back and see for your self. I am a convert, but you should only trust your own experience.

To sum up, I feel the Sergetti stringing method gives me a more even stringbed and a larger sweet spot, and that actually makes me trust my Racquet even more, and I can hit out and have fewer flyers. On top of that, and that is perhaps the most important for me: the stringbed seems softer, and off center hits does not hurt my arm.

I am only like 5-6 hours into my testing, so it could be a honeymoon, but I really think it is for real. I also need to test other strings to be a total convert. I have no conclusion yet to the longer playability, but so far so good.

Cheers

 

[esm]

The way Sergetti stringing works (as far as I understand) is that Sergetti has a database of Racquets and Strings and you chose your Racquet, your string and your tension and they will send you a tension sheet. I think stringing works best with an electronic stringing head, or you can bring the sheet to your stringer.

Sergetti har 5 categories of strings 1-5 and it is shown at tha database in (x) after each string. I am sure there is more to it, but to me it seems like is corresponds with string stiffness (I guess this has to do with how much the string is stretching during stringing) Kevlar would be a (1), Monogut ZX would be a (5). If your favorite string (gauge matters too) is a (3) and you want to try another string that is also a (3) you can use the same tension sheet if you use the same tension.

The way that I do it is that I try out different strings and tension, strung the conventional way and I end up with a favorite combination for my TC100 - this could be Head Sonic Pro 17 (4 in Sergetti terms) at mains 22kg and crosses 21kg - then you type in these info at Sergetti and pay via PayPal and very shortly after they will send you a specific tension sheet.

Actually you don't need to have different tension between mains and crosses as Sergetti takes this into account, so the above example would equals 21.5kg by Sergetti method.

To answer your question, yes you have to order a new tension sheet for each parameter you change: Racquet, strings (only if in another category) and tension - so this is kind of the bad news if you play around with a lot of different racquets, strings and tensions (like I do).

The good news is that this method actually works, and me being a non believer (I can kind of understand the idea, but was not so sure I could feel anything different) I had to give in and accept that my stringed felt so much nicer.

In my tension sheet (19.5 kg) for a poly and TC100 - string variation goes from 22.6kg down to 14.5kg (one string all the way down to 7.7kg) - I was very sceptic when I installed, but very surprised when I played with the strinbed.

Dont take my word for it, but chose your favorite combination, and try it out - it cost nothing more than a set of Lux strings (Remember the Angell promo code for 25% off). If you have 2 matched racquets you can play the two string beds (conventional and Sergetti) back to back and see for your self. I am a convert, but you should only trust your own experience.

To sum up, I feel the Sergetti stringing method gives me a more even stringbed and a larger sweet spot, and that actually makes me trust my Racquet even more, and I can hit out and have fewer flyers. On top of that, and that is perhaps the most important for me: the stringbed seems softer, and off center hits does not hurt my arm.

I am only like 5-6 hours into my testing, so it could be a honeymoon, but I really think it is for real. I also need to test other strings to be a total convert. I have no conclusion yet to the longer playability, but so far so good.

Cheers

thanks for that. loads to take in.
i had a quick look around their website and i have better understanding.
i now do my own stringing, but on a drop weight. you and them mentioned to use their tension sheet on an electronic machine/head.... so will that be an issue?
i guess it will be "more troublesome" to have to manually adjust the weight to get to the desired tension from the sheet...
(most of my strings i use i have in stock are Cat 5, and the rest are Cat 4..)
it is very tempting, but i need a few more sessions on the racquets to make my first move to the "dark side"...